The truth and lies of Ukraine Politiikka ja hallinto

Oxiu, what is for you a military operation and what is a war? What do you think, if I say a military operation I can kill as many people as I like? Do you want to call it a war? So, what does it change? I don't get it? What are you trying to say? OK, it's a war. So, where can we go from here?

A military operation is when a country will not commit to troop losses nor recognize their limits into the other country's borders to surgically cut off a few strategic objectives and leave swiftly without political turmoil.

Oxiu, what is for you a military operation and what is a war? What do you think, if I say a military operation I can kill as many people as I like? Do you want to call it a war? So, what does it change? I don't get it? What are you trying to say? OK, it's a war. So, where can we go from here?

You know how it works. "Special operation" suggest that it's clear, calculated at only objectives mission.

It's term used by russian propaganda to make people think: "Ohh, special operation. So it's something like fighting with terrorists, and nothing huge after all, very specialized and precise".

While in reality, it's a war. Troops, tanks vs. tanks, rockets, frontlines, bombs, and killing the civilians, like Russia do. It's war to conquer country, not to get rid of some mysterious "nazis". And Russia lost a huge numbers of "soldiers" so called, and weaponry.

It's chaotic. Now russia needs reservists to fight.

So answer me:
What is this 300k number for?
Why russia is threatening with nuclear weapon?

Oxiu, neither Russia nor Ukraine did not said it formaly - it's a war! Nobody said it. Diplomats have to be precis. As you understand, if it's a military operation, then it's impossible to use nuclear wappons. So, in the interests of Russia it's better to call it a war! And this is coming there. After Donbass and Luganskaya oblast will do their referendum, they will become a part of Russia. Not imedietly althoug. I don't know procedure. After that Russia will have all the legal rights to use nuclear weppon in case if somebody will take over it's territory or in some other situation. It's a threat to NATO not Ukraine. Just stay away. That what I think it means. Yes, 300 k is help resort to make operation is smooth going. I don't know the detailc and it's not the platform where we should discuss it. Like you said - it's a war. Can you imagine two guys during WWII, Russian and German speaking by radio - where are your Russian panzers are going? Isn't it funny?

Umm... You sounds like nonsense. Again.

Only one thing is in russia interest now - peace. Because this war is destroying your country too.

And you are lier again here, if you say that politicians didn't call it war. Maybe yours, because they are liers and propagandists.

But even if! You are idiot if you need someone to tell you: "hey! They are bribing your house!", when you are actually a witness of it. Without telling you this, you will think that it's party or what?

Oxiu, it doesn't make any sence what you said. We have to be precise when we are talking about serious things. When I say the West is killer, bastard, war monger! It doesn't make any sence. When you are saying - it's propaganda, lie! It's pathetic because it doesn't make any sence. You are repeating the same thing over and over.

Of course. And when I say: "i am eating chocolate now" it also doesn't make any sense. Because what does that mean, right?

Ugh...
When I say: propaganda, and you don't know what that means, then you should look in book for info.

However, there will be no referendum in Lukansk and Donbass because it is illegitimate and unlawful and is not recognized by the international community either. Russia is trying to acquire foreign territory with fraud, false reports and falsification of election results in order to justify a war in an insidious way. Just like Russia tried to do with Crimea...

But the West hasn't lost its head and won't let Putin fool around with it - those days are over. I don't think anyone in the West is shocked by Putin's constant threats of nuclear weapons either, because NATO has better defense systems in place for a possible serious incident than the Kremlin can even imagine. Should Putin send 300,000 new people for cannon fodder - they will be swept away just as quickly as all the other Russian military junk before. Incidentally, international military observers are already reporting over 125,000 (!) fallen Russian soldiers in the Ukraine

Good night!

Aki2001, it starts tomorrow I guess. What about Kosovo? I didn't hear about any referendum there. It's just a formality. If you have power, you can do it like Americans do.

An illegal referendum that will probably not be carried out and cannot be carried out either, because then the Ukrainian army would rightly intervene due to a violation of international and state law. Russia will have no chance of pushing through this insidious referendum.

Bye!

Donbass = Dumbass I hope when Ukraine brings back the fear of our God to this region then they will give them a good disciplining for acting as one of Putin's cronies!!!

Hundreds of people from Kremlin chief Vladimir Putin's security apparatus have been beating down the largest anti-war protests in Russia for months in many cities. After spontaneous street actions against the partial mobilization ordered by Putin, more than 1000 people are still in custody. Despite this, the country's authorities are rigorously implementing the decree to draft at least 300,000 reservists for the war in Ukraine. Putin wants to solve personnel problems there.

For the first time, however, Putin's war of aggression against the neighboring country, which has been going on for seven months, is now also affecting Russians and their families, who are involuntarily drawn into the bloodshed. So far, Putin has relied on volunteers. Now the war, which will continue to be officially called "military special operations", is omnipresent.

Many received the red note with the request to report to the military district command on Wednesday, shortly after Putin's mobilization announced on television hit the country like a shock wave. The President stressed that a front line of 1,000 kilometers along the occupied territories must be secured. From his point of view, it is about a fight for Russia's survival. The 69-year-old claimed that the country was being threatened by the West, the United States and NATO. For many Russians, the war was far away.

Many Russians want to leave the country

Now the country's citizens are to be forced to take up arms in order to solve alleged personnel problems in the army. To be sure, many people in Russia have so far watched the war with indifference and confirmed their support for Putin. But the mood could change now. Surveys never showed that citizens were very willing to go into battle themselves against Ukrainian brothers and sisters.

This is one of the reasons why many Russians rushed to the airports to fly to Armenia and Turkey, for example. Thousands made it. But the flights are fully booked for days, other destinations further away are hardly affordable. A flight to Tashkent (Uzbekistan) for Thursday evening cost 3,000 euros. Miles of queues formed at the borders to Finland, where visas are required, or to the South Caucasus Republic of Georgia.

Even after Putin's invasion of Ukraine began in February, many Russians had fled and sought exile abroad. But now many are talking about panic. In Moscow, a 41-year-old man says on the street that he has no combat experience or real military training. But he's a reserve lieutenant. Because he is registered in a different Russian time zone of the huge empire, he would have to be handed the draft notice against signature there at his place of residence. The registration address is far away.

"There's no way I'm going to fight in Putin's senseless war, I'd rather go to prison," says the engineer. He's afraid he'll be arrested if he tries to leave the country and sent straight to Ukraine: "Hiding is one way out. But the worst thing is the uncertainty, you hardly dare to go out on the street," he says, also referring to the protests the previous evening in Moscow.

Hundreds of arrests were made in the Russian capital alone on Wednesday when the protests were violently suppressed. Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov described it as legal that those arrested there were also handed the draft notice directly. The discussion about what is legal and what is not now fills entire internet portals. Many are looking for ways to avoid being called up. Lawyers give a lot of advice. But the bottom line is that there is always the announcement that there is no legal certainty in an authoritarian state with arbitrary justice.

Numerous experts appease that Russia no longer has the resources and structures in the regions to collect people for the war in Ukraine. However, there were reports from many parts of the country that people were being drafted en masse - some being dragged out of bed.

The Russian state agency Ria Novosti also ran its comment function - with a lot of biting criticism of Putin. "We have a huge civil service, it seems to me that they should start mobilizing there," wrote user Olja K. "Where is our professional army?" asked a user with the probably not real name Misha Mishkin . "The Russian taxpayers have apparently been paying the army for all these years so that they themselves die somewhere there." He also asked how Putin even managed to force citizens to go to war on another state's territory, even though no war had been declared.

In Russia there is constant talk of a general social contract. Accordingly, no one seriously interferes in Putin's politics - and the quiet people get social security in return. According to experts, this deal is at stake because everyone in the country is now aware of the war and could lead to an unprecedented politicization of society.

The imprisoned Kremlin opponent Alexei Navalny had criticized during a court appearance on Wednesday that Putin bleeds ordinary citizens and throws them into the "meat grinder", but spares the army, national guard and troops from the Interior Ministry. They are Putin's insurance to keep the protests and possible unrest under control. But there is no longer a guarantee of stability.

The Russian political scientist Abbas Galliamov expects that the protests could increase if the drafts become a tangible reality for everyone - and "those who are gone return in coffins when the burials are done". Hardly anyone was interested in the contract soldiers killed so far, who voluntarily fought for money. "But the death of reservists is something completely different. It's a terrible injustice."

These Russians better make up their minds for what they stand for or end up marching into Ukraine's sausage machine.