Again, DWeaters, we all have different opinions and it doesn't lead us nowhere. Are we still remember Vietnam, Iraq, Libia, Syria, Jugoslavia, Afghanistan etc? Was it Panda-Chana? Do we remember what Japanis did in in 1941-1945? People do not learn anything. We are still beating the drums of war!
The second Iraq War I was against and had hoped for the Iraqi military to defeat the US troops' invasion for the sake of defending their sovereignty. But that did not turn out to be the case. Saddam Hussein ridiculed the US but I believed in him. He was like an father figure in my eyes who had a more secular lead over their country's politics and kept the peace. President Bush Jr was rabid for vengeance against an old man who did not pose anymore of a meaningful threat at the time. Hussein was a madman growing into his role and mutilated many civilians to make them submit to him, But with age he finally mellowed down into someone irreplacable, and made the best judgments from the biggest mistakes one leader can learn from.
Yugoslavia, Our president Clinton at the time had recended in to the background after facing a worldwide humiliation from the sex scandal at his place of work. He was in his last year of office and our president was once, seen among the nest of world leaders and me too for his intelligence and assertive decisions taking us in one direction. The last good thing the Clinton cold do as a good president was pull our infighting parties over a scandal and take an intervention into a genocide of bodies piled high of a people in Yugoslavia. CLinton asked the American people if we wanted to take this action, and we said yes. It was not a committed investment into Yugoslavia with troops on the ground, but with bombs from the air. There were many casualties and some angery mothers dancing on the wing of a stealth plane, which would have contributed to bad health from the toxic fumes.
Afghanistan. How can I say that Afghanistan did not deserve this war? Afghanishatn's government was porous and allowed many militias in through their borders and who then created terrorist camps there. The Talliban were the arms of Afghanistan who maintained order with a heavy hand. They banded together after Russia's attempt to topple the leadership and create law and order. But Russia met fierce resistance from an adept people who were acclimated to the moutains there. With no king on power the people had civil war for some years until the Talliban took over people's freedom to mingle with the world and they began a famine from a economic fallout after Russian intervention. American's were the target of a jealous Bin Ladin who settled into his new safe haven in Afghanistan. He felt he has to meet the people who wronged him and planned massive attacks against us. After the last attack on September 2001, we decided we had enough. Our President Bush Jr made it known that the enemay had declared war on our home soil and we would take our resolve to Afghanistan to hold those responsible as a warning to be in good order toward the nations who associate with relative peace and high living standards. There were those in Afghanistan who'd like to have their country back the way it was in the '70's with ruler Mohammed Zahir Shah, and a modern country when people did not have racism.
Let me ask you, why are serbs in Belgrade openly accusing the West of crimes, opposing the West, and fanatically supporting Russia?
You see, DWeathers, there are so many questions, but all of them could be settled peacefully! Except of Saddam Husein, he just asked for that. Anyway, all the questions could be settled. And what I see, today it's a team of unprofessional world politicians, which don't able to settle simple disputes. They only make things worse.
Former US Senator, retired Colonel Richard Black: It's time to stop blaming Putin for fuel sanctions. Russia has not imposed sanctions on coal, oil or natural gas. Congress sanctioned them and oil and gas shipments to the US and Canada. So let's stop saying Russia is to blame. The culprits are here, it's the US and its sanctions policies.
The US ordered Germany, nominally a sovereign state, not to open the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. The US wanted to sell its liquefied natural gas instead of Germany buying gas from Russia, which would have been quite natural. If Germany refused gas - Russia simply cut off this pipe from Germany's supply and turned the pipe southwards - to supply gas to its outlying settlements.
The US always blames somebody else. The US is always looking for some way to blame someone else for all the sins - it's either China or Russia or Iran or somewhere else. US policy is all about war and profiting from those wars. These are their rules of the game and there are no other rules from the US. The fact is that the actions of the government in the United States are simply irrational and cause great upheaval for other countries and people in those countries.
Yes, Igor643, it's ridiculous. They put the sanctions on Russia and then they asking to pump some more of oil and gas! Give us some bread too! Give us Ukrainian bread! And Germany is now a subservant of the USA. Whatever the USA wants, Germany will gladly do. Go and shoot yourself. That's how it looks like right now. Crazy.
Yes, Igor643, it's ridiculous. They put the sanctions on Russia and then they asking to pump some more of oil and gas! Give us some bread too! Give us Ukrainian bread! And Germany is now a subservant of the USA. Whatever the USA wants, Germany will gladly do. Go and shoot yourself. That's how it looks like right now. Crazy.
Stereotypes from foreigners are so ingrained in their heads that you wonder if they are all so stupid. I lived in the U.S. for 3 years and lived in Ireland for 4 years and I got convinced that they are stupid. At least those who are not specialists, but ordinary people. Their stupidity is amazing. They skip all they see in the media or their bosses at work and do not chew it. They are too lazy to move the last part of their brain to ask themselves a question - but maybe things are not as they say.
That's what the west is all about - stupid brainwashing to make it easier to control the morons (Hitler's Dream).
OMG! Can't believe this argument lasted for 5 months and I have read all the message for over an hour...
To Igor: I think this platform isn't a good place to discuss about politics. If I was your age, I would rather enjoy my life time at the moment. But your bravery of facing so many opponents gains my respect.
To all Chinese(as well as all Russian people) involved in this argument: Let's leave them alone. We can't change their opinion. It's useless due to different ideology and media system. Who is correct will be proved in end. It's just a matter of time(Listen, I didn't say that we're right 100%). If this argument trigger your anger, then plz chill and enjoy your day. Let's just give it an end plz.
I'm one of the youngest among us so I really don't wanna judge anyone who have more experience than me. But tbh, some of you make me sick. I don't think some of your words is even accepted by your "Western world".
By the way, these are Ukrainian sunflowers. I thought some people may need them.
What are you talking about? Russia only took the opportunity the US gave them. The West messed in Ukraine and the US made the war unavoidable to seel weapons and gas in Europe as well as to "weaken" its ennemy. Someday, US and the West will have to wake up and realize that we are not ruling the world anymore (especially EU, we are a damn joke who obey the US like a puppet...), or we will have to learn the hard way, if we are not learning it already.
Futhermore, our "friendship" behaviour is isolating us from everybody. Switzerland and many countries merely apply the "sanctions" because they have been threatened, and are very compleasant with Russia. Only the West is very much anti Russia, hence isolating itself... We are selfdestroying and bringing much shit with us.
I think this platform isn't a good place to discuss about politics.
We are on a forum, and in a politic section. This is the perfect place to discuss about such matter. The only shame is that the diversity of opinions is very limited here and that shades are hard to find as well as people are well divided between 2 distinct sides...
Yes, Lianshen, I agree, here are only two opinions. If it's so, there must be something wrong about that. Yes, there is third side which is saying - I am against of any kind of war! But the thing is - the world didn't change at all! Especially for China. For Russia it has changed it in 1991, but very soon it became obvious, the West is only for some own interest. It's not about democracy, it's not about peace on Earth. It's none above! There are only interests. Those who think different, they are romantics.
I'm just learning English from native speaker. π
OMG! Can't believe this argument lasted for 5 months and I have read all the message for over an hour...
To Igor: I think this platform isn't a good place to discuss about politics. If I was your age, I would rather enjoy my life time at the moment. But your bravery of facing so many opponents gains my respect.
To all Chinese(as well as all Russian people) involved in this argument: Let's leave them alone. We can't change their opinion. It's useless due to different ideology and media system. Who is correct will be proved in end. It's just a matter of time(Listen, I didn't say that we're right 100%). If this argument trigger your anger, then plz chill and enjoy your day. Let's just give it an end plz.
I'm one of the youngest among us so I really don't wanna judge anyone who have more experience than me. But tbh, some of you make me sick. I don't think some of your words is even accepted by your "Western world".
Politics is the most talked about issue. If you don't want to discuss politics, leave this forum.
Man, maybe I'm wrong but haven't you seen that this topic is losing its meaning to be discussed. You guys just argue without end and always stand in your sense of "right opinion". Few people can truly listen to others and figure out why they say this and how I should convince them in a proper way. There are only two opinions here. Those who have prejudice on Soviet countries are talking bull shit ,against the war and spreading their hate to Russia and China btw, while the other side are opposite. And that's all , all you wanna know about their irrational opinions.(tbh, Lianshen is the most rational person on this topic) And this means most of the users involved in this topic aren't understand this war comprehensively. That's why I think it's improper to discuss it here. Your questions:" What's your opinion about the Russian war?" is more like asking:"What did the social media tell you about the war in your side? Or what have you seen from the Ukraine border which is 0.0001% of all Ukraine land? Or what did you hear from a overwhelmed refugee who just want to beg some bread to survive by telling more shit about Russia to get your sympathy? Plz tell me in your 'objective' perspective." What a joke but what a truth.
I come out the other questions that's more proper but funny. We all know that every coin have two sides. Then what's the positive side this war could makes? Will it be good to your countries(never say it's nothing but just a disaster, use your brain)? And why did Russia start this war, for profit? for lands? Patriotism? Or what.
The last question is is it worth starting this war for Putin. If not then why he still start it? if yes, tell the reason.
The Western media is now talking about a shortage of weapons and soldiers in the Russian forces. This is nonsense and a bluff. Ukraine has contract soldiers, volunteers (those people whose relatives were killed by Ukrainian Nazis), special forces from Chechnya and Russian special forces, as well as Russian Navy troops who are constantly changing their deployment and are interchangeable (rotation). This is done to provide recreation for the troops. Rockets and shells are plentiful, if not for this, there would be no bf attacks on remote military installations in Ukraine. There are now shelling of military installations all over Ukraine. Both the new NATO equipment and the foreign mercenaries themselves are being successfully destroyed. Military aircraft.
The US takes out piles of galvanised coffins with the remains of mercenaries every day. They take them to NATO bases in Europe and sort them there for further shipment. The losses of Ukrainian troops are enormous. This is confirmed by Western analysts themselves. A single hit from a sea- or air-launched missile kills between 60 and 200 mercenaries on the spot. There is a military coup against Zelensky in the Kiev leadership. Troops from Ukraine's western territories refuse to move to the eastern front, where active hostilities are taking place. Russia's aim at this stage is to encircle Ukrainian troops in the south and deny Ukraine access to the Black Sea. Then the complete annihilation of the Nazis in the West and the denazification of the western regions of Ukraine within the former borders. Poland may not dream of the western regions of Ukraine. Russia does not touch the railways and roads in western Ukraine. The aim is to deplete NATO's resources in military hardware. To deprive the West of its weapons through slow destruction on Ukrainian territory. The entire territory of Ukraine is now coming under Russian control with the help of Iranian drones. China and Russia itself are experimenting with blinding Musk's military and satellites with laser weapons. This war also benefits Russia in terms of modernising its weapons. This war also benefits Russia's allies. It allows them to modernise their weapons. Ukraine is a military testing ground; for the West it is the destruction of old Soviet weapons from the arsenals of former socialist countries. For Russia, it is a testing ground for modernising its weapons and perfecting its tactics for destroying the West's latest weaponry. So, Russia is fighting this war with the least human casualties on its side and the greatest casualties on the West's side. Slowly. As Russian troops slowly advance towards Ukraine's western borders, the entire Ukrainian population, poisoned by Nazi propaganda for 21 years of independent existence under Nazi slogans since President Yushchenko, is being driven out of Ukrainian territory (fleeing themselves). These bastards are not only losing their relatives in the war with Russia, they are losing everything, including their homes. They hope that when they come to Europe, they will establish their Nazi order there and love their Ukraine from abroad like all Ukrainians in Canada and other countries. But Europe has already understood the danger of these Ukrainian 'refugees'. Europe is taking young children for whatever reason from these Nazis to their parents and improving their demographics at the expense of these children. Everyone is sick and tired of improving Europe's demographics at the expense of black refugees from Syria, Africa, Iraq etc. Now Europe is improving its demographics by taking from white nationalists
their white children and raising these children in the European spirit of tolerance and gender equality. Russia does not oppose this, seeing that it is a dead-end road for humanity. As Nostradamus, Vanga and other soothsayers foresaw, Russia will pass this difficult path and become the leader of humanity.
Situation with ukrainian.
Two sons live in Ukraine with their families. Nothing has been heard from them. They cannot leave as refugees because Ukraine does not let them out for free - they have to pay $15,000 for their husband to leave. Women and children are allowed out for free. My three sons managed to leave Ukraine through Romania to Germany and are now living well as refugees in Germany with their families. They get all the benefits from the German government. For example. The middle son's family is husband, wife and two children. Got a residence permit in Germany. Wife and husband get a salary of 4,000 euro per month. Health care and education (including German lessons) are free for the whole family. The allowance from Germany - help to pay for a flat - 450 Euro per person. Children's allowance - 450 euros per person. Pocket money for children - 250 euros each. They work officially for private companies. She is in the computer business, he as a mobile phone repairman is also in the company. They have a flat in the Big Metropolis of 100 square metres. Every weekend - travel to Europe by sea for short holidays to Spain and France. Have explored all the Disneylands in almost all of Europe. What's not to live for? Isn't it a lafa? And it was given to them by who - Russia with its military operation! It is good for them and for Germany - Germany improves its demographics at the expense of Ukrainians - because everybody in Germany is fed up with blacks and Arabs from Africa, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan - they do not want to work at all. Hitler's dream - to improve the demographic situation by attracting white people is gradually coming true. So the war in Ukraine is beneficial to Germany from all sides. That is why Scholz was put in charge.