Russia in Peace Politics and governments

Obviously several think that Russia is justified in their unprovoked attack through imperialistic means to eliminate the NATO threat through an independent nation and are not for so-called peace but are Imperialists themselves.

There are others that despite not seeing it as completely justified find arguments that more or less explain the reaction of Russia and that are way better than "Putin is retarded/insane/purely evil". Ukraine, but more than it, West, provoked a war that could have been avoided with a clear "no" since France didn't even want Ukraine in NATO apparently.

Why is it that a nation is given an objection to it's own defense through weapons build-up like China but Ukraine is an exception?

NATO is not for defense anymore, and there is no purpose in keeping it alive since the USSR disappeared.

NATO will only get bigger as brothers in arms to watch after one another to eliminate tyranny like Old-Nazi socialism and their oppression on minorities like their enemy the Jewish people and thoughs who did not fit into their plans.

Their is not cohesion between NATO member. France would support Greece against Turkey, USA will rob contracts from France in Poland or Austria and shamelessly spy on every allies.
Where have you seen tyranny and old-nazis? There is tyranny currently in France, and there are some nazis in the Ukraine whm didn't suddenly disappeared. Kind reminder that they were in the government in 2014 and that this basis is used and exagerrated by Russia to be used as a casus belli.

Ukrainians have been forced to live under Russia's accusations of corruption and Russians seem to think they need to eliminate Ukraines politicians and all the citizens who feel impassioned to fight for their nation as the same and one enemy.

Isn't Ukraine rotten with corruption though..? Oh, sorry, I thought it totally was because it is. Once again, a truth is used here, but as to say what Russians seem to think, how could you know since we censored RUssian medias ? Aren't you making a strawman here ? On the other hands, many Russians have family in Ukraine, those are sister nations... I honestly doubt that so many russians are very happy with the fight ongoing despite the propaganda that you could have in this country.

One thing is that Russia's allies are politically driven to believe in the idea that Ukraine has no sovereignty and use them as their scapegoat against their enemies. A sadistic mindset to think that their Russian buddy bombing oldstyle like in World War Two indiscriminately outside their borders can gain them all political expansion into the Western Hemiphere.

China publicly invited Russia to find a peaceful outcome, just not like EU wants if I remember right. More or less the same for Israel and India that are mostly neutral. As for Venezuela or Cuba, considering how they are illegally sanctionned and pushed to starve because of the US, they sure will seek for alliance and fully support US' ennemy. Is it surprising though? Meh.

It's ironic that a few Chinese dare tell their opinions on this forum in support of their ideals for the world, because they know big government will someday come censor their use of this site, and not get to tell "their side of the story" anymore when their big parent comes and protects them from online corruption.

The cool thing with Chineses is that they only need to use a VPN to more or less get freedom of speech whereas, in the West, our freedom of speech is monitored not by the government but by the others to the point that only small websites like this one or suscpiscious ones like 4chan still have a bit of freedom remaining. Others are from multinational that can bann or discredit you you quickly for anything that displease them.
At least, China is honest in its censorship and doxa, which our internet and societies is full of hypocrisy.

'' There are others that despite not seeing it as completely justified find arguments that more or less explain the reaction of Russia and that are way better than "Putin is retarded/insane/purely evil". Ukraine, but more than it, West, provoked a war that could have been avoided with a clear "no" since France didn't even want Ukraine in NATO apparently.''

-Russia knew that Ukraine could not join NATO. Because a country without territorial integrity cannot join NATO. russia started this war to gain more land

'' NATO is not for defense anymore, and there is no purpose in keeping it alive since the USSR disappeared.''

-I agree that sometimes nato is imperialist, as in the case of Libya, but still nato is defensive. If the Baltic states had not joined NATO, they would have ended up like Georgia and Ukraine. bear likes to invade so 'nato' is needed

''Their is not cohesion between NATO member. France would support Greece against Turkey, USA will rob contracts from France in Poland or Austria and shamelessly spy on every allies.
Where have you seen tyranny and old-nazis? There is tyranny currently in France, and there are some nazis in the Ukraine whm didn't suddenly disappeared. Kind reminder that they were in the government in 2014 and that this basis is used and exagerrated by Russia to be used as a casus belli.''

-Yes, there is division and partiality in NATO. especially against Turkey. I do not see a tyranny in France. This tyranny exists in China. Maybe you should consider moving to China. Yes, there are Nazis in Ukraine. but only 3 percent of the population. This does not justify the invasion of Russia. There are extreme right racists in every country.

'' Isn't Ukraine rotten with corruption though..? Oh, sorry, I thought it totally was because it is. Once again, a truth is used here, but as to say what Russians seem to think, how could you know since we censored RUssian medias ? Aren't you making a strawman here ? On the other hands, many Russians have family in Ukraine, those are sister nations... I honestly doubt that so many russians are very happy with the fight ongoing despite the propaganda that you could have in this country.''

-There is corruption in Ukraine, it's true, yes the Russians and the Ukrainians were brother nations, but after this war, both sides think differently. Most Russians support the war because they will build their "own slavic empire"!

'' China publicly invited Russia to find a peaceful outcome, just not like EU wants if I remember right. More or less the same for Israel and India that are mostly neutral. As for Venezuela or Cuba, considering how they are illegally sanctionned and pushed to starve because of the US, they sure will seek for alliance and fully support US' ennemy. Is it surprising though? Meh.''

-invade another country's land and then ask for peace. China recognize Taiwan's sovereignty and there will be peace. You won't admit it because you're a hypocrite. America is wrong about Cuba and Venezuela. These countries are dictatorships but that's their own problem

'' It's ironic that a few Chinese dare tell their opinions on this forum in support of their ideals for the world, because they know big government will someday come censor their use of this site, and not get to tell "their side of the story" anymore when their big parent comes and protects them from online corruption. ''

-You don't know the difference between government and private company. The state is public and cannot do anything without the consent of its citizens! Private companies can do whatever they want. I have a house and I can host anyone I want! because it's me!

I think you is a french citizen of chinese origin. You live in a democracy and you praise the dictatorship. Then why don't you live in dictatorships? this is hypocrisy

Sweden and Finland may join Nato. Was today's newspapers international headline, Putin will go ballistic.

-Russia knew that Ukraine could not join NATO. Because a country without territorial integrity cannot join NATO. russia started this war to gain more land

For now, but the way Ukraine insisting and the West didn't explicitly oppose just gave a good reason for Russia to be concerned and secure its environment. If Ukraine stay a buffer state or within Russian influence, Russia will benefit from Carpathian landscapes whereas if not, there is only plains straight to Moscow. That is a problem, and another problem would be to attack Ukraine once it's hypothetically part of NATO (or even EU) like the country keeps asking for because of the game of alliances that it would involve.

-I agree that sometimes nato is imperialist, as in the case of Libya, but still nato is defensive. If the Baltic states had not joined NATO, they would have ended up like Georgia and Ukraine. bear likes to invade so 'nato' is needed

How would they have? Plus I'm not sure baltic states are a good example considering what has happened in Yugoslavia...

I do not see a tyranny in France.

A government in which one dude rules alone (sorry, Jupiter, that's how he's called), arbitrarily according to his caprices and work against the people as well as crippling the ones who contradict him (in addition to always insult them), I call that a tyranny. It is simply not said out loud because France is supposed to be a good country.
You can still find worse, so I'd concede it is a soft one, but a tyranny is still a tyranny.

This tyranny exists in China. Maybe you should consider moving to China.

I'll consider your offer if I can be a lazy civil servant there. Surely Chinese government is not sweet toward the opposition either, but we know what to expect there and the rule are crystal clear.

Yes, there are Nazis in Ukraine. but only 3 percent of the population. This does not justify the invasion of Russia. There are extreme right racists in every country.

As I said, the threat of the Nazis in Ukrain is exagerrated. However, they exist and 1/3 of the goverment was from Svoboda a few years ago. Those people didn't disappear all of a sudden either. Thus, the case of having few nazis in every country, yes, but is there 1/3 of the government that has been led by them?

-There is corruption in Ukraine, it's true, yes the Russians and the Ukrainians were brother nations, but after this war, both sides think differently. Most Russians support the war because they will build their "own slavic empire"!

Allow me to doubt that last statement. They surely think differently nowadays, but probably they still have link with their family for the ones having family in both countries. A driving force for Russians and Ukrainians to hate each others, in my opinion, would be more the act of cruelty perpetrated in both sides for those emotions are way stronger than a sense of pride.

-invade another country's land and then ask for peace. China recognize Taiwan's sovereignty and there will be peace. You won't admit it because you're a hypocrite. America is wrong about Cuba and Venezuela. These countries are dictatorships but that's their own problem

Didn't the whole world did the same? As I said, the war could have been avoided, but it was rather pushed and now everybody is asking for peace. China has a "neutral" position and doesn't fully support Russia in this conflict. Best to know that China also has benefits in not fully supporting Russia for it will assert its leading position and their alliance.
Hypocrisy is not China refusing to recognize the sovereignty of Taiwan, but Western countries refusing to recognize Taiwan anymore because of their interests in mainland China. As far as I know, a few years ago, Taiwan was still exporting a lot and then got totally abandonned by the West except to be used as a pawn against China like Hong Kong. Hypocrisy is also having the same attitude in Chinese sea than we have in Ukraine/eastern Europe to create more and more conflicts. SO yes, it would be fine if there could be a peaceful resolution of the tensions between Taiwan and China, eventually recognizing the sovereignty of Taiwan, or unifying with mainland and giveing it a special statue, but such outcome is not favorised by the two countries or by the international scene.
Taiwan is also partly responsible of the situation though, they had the chance to be recongized internationally in 73 or 74... They refused because they claimed to be the government of mainland CHina as well...

We don't care because they are dictatorship then? Then we shouldn't care of US screwing the whole latin America and puting dictators and tyrant in power either, because they already were "dictatorships"?

-You don't know the difference between government and private company. The state is public and cannot do anything without the consent of its citizens! Private companies can do whatever they want. I have a house and I can host anyone I want! because it's me!

A Republic isn't a democracy, and mostly you don't live in a democracy in this world, so yes, a state can do most of things without your consent. Privates companies too, but private companies also have to obey a country. If tomorrow we say that you have no right to speak about male sea-horses pregnancy except if it's a joke, then the company might just block every mention to sea horses (or just horses) not to waste time to determine wether it's a joke or not. That's exactly how a media like Youtube evolved since 10 years for instance, and how China is monitoring some of its companies as well.

I think you is a french citizen of chinese origin. You live in a democracy and you praise the dictatorship. Then why don't you live in dictatorships? this is hypocrisy

If we are to link a position to an ethnicity and/or to fall into basic racism, let me introduce you to the Turkish embassy:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/317/918/ef7.jpg

Chineses living in France don't seem to be very much inlove with the Chinese government if you want to know though, at least not the ones from earlier migrations and from what I've seen. That's also why they came to France originally... As for hypocrisy : I live on the land of my ancestors, which is Brittany if you want to know (you may find another explanation to my love for dictatorship through Pinochet, I'd grant you a point for that), but France is not a democracy, again, it's a Republic in which democracy is, to say the least, dysfunctional, and even if it was, an interesting thing is that I could defend another system for my nation and/or country without the need to run away.

If you want other personal infos, please, just send a message and don't feel the need to ask for them publicly.

''For now, but the way Ukraine insisting and the West didn't explicitly oppose just gave a good reason for Russia to be concerned and secure its environment. If Ukraine stay a buffer state or within Russian influence, Russia will benefit from Carpathian landscapes whereas if not, there is only plains straight to Moscow. That is a problem, and another problem would be to attack Ukraine once it's hypothetically part of NATO (or even EU) like the country keeps asking for because of the game of alliances that it would involve.''

-We are no longer in the Middle Ages, no one can attack Russia, their safe justifications are absurd. Russia has the world's largest nuclear arsenal. No country in the world can attack Russia because if it does, it will be destroyed or even all humanity can be the destroyed

'' How would they have? Plus I'm not sure baltic states are a good example considering what has happened in Yugoslavia...''

-Admit that russia is imperialist now. Even Putin will admit it at an intimate dinner!!, As I said, I am against the invasion of countries, but with exceptions, such as genocide. The occupation of Yugoslavia is true because there was a genocide against the Bosniaks. genocide cannot be ignored

''A government in which one dude rules alone (sorry, Jupiter, that's how he's called), arbitrarily according to his caprices and work against the people as well as crippling the ones who contradict him (in addition to always insult them), I call that a tyranny. It is simply not said out loud because France is supposed to be a good country.
You can still find worse, so I'd concede it is a soft one, but a tyranny is still a tyranny.''

-Elections can be held freely in France, there is freedom of criticism and expression. Parliament has power. (even if not as much as in germany) i don't see tyranny here

''I'll consider your offer if I can be a lazy civil servant there. Surely Chinese government is not sweet toward the opposition either, but we know what to expect there and the rule are crystal clear.''

-its your decision. I think france cannot fully integrate immigrants. well i will ask you a specific question do you feel french? (you said your ancestors came a long time ago or i am misremembering). You have a certain level of education and knowledge. If you stay in france it will be in france's favour.

''As I said, the threat of the Nazis in Ukrain is exagerrated. However, they exist and 1/3 of the goverment was from Svoboda a few years ago. Those people didn't disappear all of a sudden either. Thus, the case of having few nazis in every country, yes, but is there 1/3 of the government that has been led by them? ''

-I don't think there are as many nazis as you say in the Azov battalion and the government, but this does not give Russia the right to invade.

'' Allow me to doubt that last statement. They surely think differently nowadays, but probably they still have link with their family for the ones having family in both countries. A driving force for Russians and Ukrainians to hate each others, in my opinion, would be more the act of cruelty perpetrated in both sides for those emotions are way stronger than a sense of pride.''

-yes, the actions of both sides fuel hate, but Russian pride is also important. after all 30 years ago ukraine was a state of theirs, now it is an independent country and they want to reject the russians and unite with europe

''Didn't the whole world did the same? As I said, the war could have been avoided, but it was rather pushed and now everybody is asking for peace. China has a "neutral" position and doesn't fully support Russia in this conflict. Best to know that China also has benefits in not fully supporting Russia for it will assert its leading position and their alliance.
Hypocrisy is not China refusing to recognize the sovereignty of Taiwan, but Western countries refusing to recognize Taiwan anymore because of their interests in mainland China. As far as I know, a few years ago, Taiwan was still exporting a lot and then got totally abandonned by the West except to be used as a pawn against China like Hong Kong. Hypocrisy is also having the same attitude in Chinese sea than we have in Ukraine/eastern Europe to create more and more conflicts. SO yes, it would be fine if there could be a peaceful resolution of the tensions between Taiwan and China, eventually recognizing the sovereignty of Taiwan, or unifying with mainland and giveing it a special statue, but such outcome is not favorised by the two countries or by the international scene.
Taiwan is also partly responsible of the situation though, they had the chance to be recongized internationally in 73 or 74... They refused because they claimed to be the government of mainland CHina as well...

We don't care because they are dictatorship then? Then we shouldn't care of US screwing the whole latin America and puting dictators and tyrant in power either, because they already were "dictatorships"? ''

-You are right on this issue, 1971' communist china was represented in the united nations instead of taiwan and america approved it. to lure communist china to his side in the cold war.But Taiwan is not abandoned by the USA. because it is in a great position to squeeze china at sea
yes, countries think about their interests, not peace. I agree with you about Latin America. the usa made many coups in latin america and hindered their development. but in the end, every people is governed as they deserve. latin america needs to overthrow these narcotic terror governments

'' A Republic isn't a democracy, and mostly you don't live in a democracy in this world, so yes, a state can do most of things without your consent. Privates companies too, but private companies also have to obey a country. If tomorrow we say that you have no right to speak about male sea-horses pregnancy except if it's a joke, then the company might just block every mention to sea horses (or just horses) not to waste time to determine wether it's a joke or not. That's exactly how a media like Youtube evolved since 10 years for instance, and how China is monitoring some of its companies as well. ''

-yes, most states decide on our behalf without our consent, but this is wrong. For example, I like Switzerland's democracy. Even to buy fighter jets, a referendum is held. The state exists for the people! But you didn't understand what I said. I just said what is public and private property

''If we are to link a position to an ethnicity and/or to fall into basic racism, let me introduce you to the Turkish embassy:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/317/918/ef7.jpg

Chineses living in France don't seem to be very much inlove with the Chinese government if you want to know though, at least not the ones from earlier migrations and from what I've seen. That's also why they came to France originally... As for hypocrisy : I live on the land of my ancestors, which is Brittany if you want to know (you may find another explanation to my love for dictatorship through Pinochet, I'd grant you a point for that), but France is not a democracy, again, it's a Republic in which democracy is, to say the least, dysfunctional, and even if it was, an interesting thing is that I could defend another system for my nation and/or country without the need to run away.

If you want other personal infos, please, just send a message and don't feel the need to ask for them publicly.''

-no i'm not doing basic racism. You are a French citizen, but you see China in front of France, I think this is wrong. Or I'm wrong, but my view on this is a little more conservative.

I don't understand what you want to convey in this picture, please be more descriptive. but in general it is difficult to be racist against Turks.

Who will be racist against Turks? Europeans occupied by the Turks for centuries Or Arabs whose caliphate was forcibly taken by the Turks?

-We are no longer in the Middle Ages, no one can attack Russia, their safe justifications are absurd. Russia has the world's largest nuclear arsenal. No country in the world can attack Russia because if it does, it will be destroyed or even all humanity can be the destroyed

It's notr because you have a nuclear weapong that you canor will do anything with it. Nuclear policy of Russia is a "escalation/de-escalation" policy. In other words, they wouldn't nuke anyone just because, but either because their integrity is threatened, an important spot has been attacked, that they got nuked.... Basically, the purpose is essentially dissuasive. Now that this has been clarified, it doesn't mean that Russia can't be at war on its land in a conventionnal conflict, in which topography is a key... Moreover, new technologies are always developped, including antiballistic devices. So just in case, yes, the justification stand, because that is what you do when you want to get all the chances by your side.

-Admit that russia is imperialist now. Even Putin will admit it at an intimate dinner!!, As I said, I am against the invasion of countries, but with exceptions, such as genocide. The occupation of Yugoslavia is true because there was a genocide against the Bosniaks. genocide cannot be ignored

You should re read my previous messages because I already said so. What does it change though? Being imperialist doesn't mean you have view on every countries in this planet. So please, provide elements that Russia has view on the Baltic states.
Yes, that's true, but I'm not talking about 1995. NATO also came in 1999 using the "operation horseshoe" as a justification. The plan was then revealed to be full bullshit.

-Elections can be held freely in France, there is freedom of criticism and expression. Parliament has power. (even if not as much as in germany) i don't see tyranny here

As I said, tyranny appears when a man alone can rule according to his caprices which are to cripple people. This is exactly what the 5th Republic allows in France through various means that, unlike you said, can bypass the Parliament. Elections are "free" in appearance only and the government is chosen by the President himself, not by the citizens. Now, you can add to that the delightful layer of Brussel/EU that is one of the most kafkaian institution around. Freedom of speech is monitored and as shown since two years, a part of the people (inb4 "ur antivax" : I'm vaccinated) got ostrasized for having a different opinion as there was no sanitary arguments presented by the government to justify discriminations. So yes, it is a tyranny even according to your definition.

-its your decision. I think france cannot fully integrate immigrants.

I don't know what are you refering to here. Nevertheless I agree, but France doesn't try to assimilate nor to integrate imigrant since at least20years and has switched to multiculturalism.

well i will ask you a specific question do you feel french

Next question will be to determine wether I am proud of France and its history? I told you already : private messages are for that if you genuinely wonder, for my personal life has few to do with the topic, and I'd happily answer. Here, I'm more tempted to tell you that I feel cloud.

-I don't think there are as many nazis as you say in the Azov battalion and the government, but this does not give Russia the right to invade.

What I said is that there was 1/3 of members of Svoboda back then, which is a nazi party. People there, and people who supported them didn't disappear all of a sudden. I didn't say that there is that many nazi in Azov not that they are still that many in the government and precised that there was exagerration from Russia. I didn't say anything more and the pupose of my initial statement was just to remind that Ukraine is far from being the pure lamb we are depicted it is.
As you said, it doesn't give one country the right to invade another, yet, nobody like this ideology, at least publicly, hence it's a free ticket.

-yes, the actions of both sides fuel hate, but Russian pride is also important. after all 30 years ago ukraine was a state of theirs, now it is an independent country and they want to reject the russians and unite with europe

Sure, but I still don't think it's a main driver here. The few propaganda contents from within Russia that I had the chance to see were more saying like Russia needs to save the World with an operation (war wasn't mentioned yet, I odn't know now), and that worked mostly on elderies for Internet is relatively free in Russia.

-You are right on this issue, 1971' communist china was represented in the united nations instead of taiwan and america approved it. to lure communist china to his side in the cold war.But Taiwan is not abandoned by the USA. because it is in a great position to squeeze china at sea

Yes, like I said, Taiwan is here uised as a pawn against China. Mostly by the Us to say it, because most of other countries simply forget about it or ghost Taiwan because they have interests in having "ok" relationships with China.

yes, countries think about their interests, not peace. I agree with you about Latin America. the usa made many coups in latin america and hindered their development. but in the end, every people is governed as they deserve. latin america needs to overthrow these narcotic terror governments

Peace can be in the interest of a country... Typically, since we love China on this thread dedicated to Russia, China has all its interests to keep peace at least around itself and it has other methods to get what its government wants; it's traditionnal in this country to avoid armed conflicts (which doesn't mean they are saints, ôr even that they are "nice guys"..). I'd agree on the fact that people deserve their government H.owever, latin American countries are certainly not helped for each time they get a government of their choice, they get suppressed for it is not the ones the US likes.

-yes, most states decide on our behalf without our consent, but this is wrong. For example, I like Switzerland's democracy. Even to buy fighter jets, a referendum is held. The state exists for the people! But you didn't understand what I said. I just said what is public and private property

Switzerland is supposed to be a direct democracy though, and even in this case, I'd argue that citizen don't always choose because a tool called propaganda can lead them to one or another outcome. Plus referundum aren't always respected or are repeated ad nauseam until it passes (ex: retirement reform in Switzerland, or EU constitution in France if I remembeer properly).

I got your point I think, but my point stand still for in case of your house, if you want to invite someone, you are free, but you can't build everything you want freely to keep your analogy. You can't even keep wahtever you want. If the government says no weapon in your house, then it's no weapon. Same happen with private medias.

-no i'm not doing basic racism. You are a French citizen, but you see China in front of France, I think this is wrong. Or I'm wrong, but my view on this is a little more conservative.

You probably don't mean it, but the way you wrote your sentences suggest that someone, because of his/her ethnicity, would support an idea or another, that Hans should support dictatorship and ethnies from France should support democracy. Ideology isn't genetic though, and you probably think I am Chinese because I stand for China and Russia here in this very topic and thus have an unconventional viewpoint compared to others, especially the cliché of the parigot in his 40-50's that the other dude from France is.
This is as ridiculous, to me, as implying that Turkish are cockroaches with the picture I sent. Hence, it was only a mockery.

Excuse me, I want to say something. First of all, this topic is about your opinions on what Russia is doing, and I don't think what you're discussing about China has much to do with this topic. Second, you can't draw conclusions so easily based on your own subjective opinions. You say that what you are describing is the truth, so I would like to ask you, have you ever been to China? Do you think what 1.4 billion Chinese people have seen isn't the truth? I live in China, and no one knows what kind of country we are living in better than Chinese people. There are Chinese people from xinjiang, Tibet and other places, you can ask how their lives like and then make up your mind. And also, I invite you to come to China one day to see what the real China is like. I suggest that while listening from the Western media, you should also listen to the reports of the Chinese media and look at the problem with dialectical thinking. Finally, to blame a country and a government without any evidence, I don't think is a polite act. You insist that your point of view is correct with the Western prejudice view (but obviously, it's not your fault, and I understand it), and I don't think anyone is trying to understand and accept other people's point of view and look at things from a more objective perspective, so I don't think there is any need to keep on discussing this topic. And when I'm done with this reply, there must be someone saying I've been brainwashed by the Chinese government. I don't think I can explain to someone who already has an affirmative conclusion, so I won't waste my time on these meaningless things. For those people, whatever, I don't care. Please watch your language, I sincerely wish you good health! Thank you！

-Yes, China has no place in these political discussions about Russia's business. But I have heard from a few native CHinese people who think unconventionally like one from Guangzhou and even a former expat from America. A few Chinese don't approve of their anti-western ideals, dictatoral rule. And the American who is a popular YouTube Influencer is not sharing his personal experiences of living in China for several years and how the government has kicked him out for supporting blowing his whistle. So no more Chinese propaganda from his end, just a shut door. His wife is native Chinese as well as their daughter. The government promotes hate of foreigners so the Chinese people are influenced and started hating him in the streets in the name of national political identity.

The pro-Russian way of thinking is a declining idea that is going down like Russia's flagship vessel on the bottom of the Black Sea. Maybe it's time for other countries to change their minds on a desperate Putin and side with the USA. 🙂

What is democracy and dictatorship? If you impose your "democratic" ideas on others, isn't it an dictatorship? Democracy is not Coca Cola. It has more than one flavor. Democracy is diverse. People feel that democracy is democracy. This country is democracy. Chinese people never think China is undemocratic. We just have a different way of democracy from you. As a foreigner, you are not qualified to dictate our democracy. We still think your government is not democratic!

''For now, but the way Ukraine insisting and the West didn't explicitly oppose just gave a good reason for Russia to be concerned and secure its environment. If Ukraine stay a buffer state or within Russian influence, Russia will benefit from Carpathian landscapes whereas if not, there is only plains straight to Moscow. That is a problem, and another problem would be to attack Ukraine once it's hypothetically part of NATO (or even EU) like the country keeps asking for because of the game of alliances that it would involve.''

-We are no longer in the Middle Ages, no one can attack Russia, their safe justifications are absurd. Russia has the world's largest nuclear arsenal. No country in the world can attack Russia because if it does, it will be destroyed or even all humanity can be the destroyed

'' How would they have? Plus I'm not sure baltic states are a good example considering what has happened in Yugoslavia...''

-Admit that russia is imperialist now. Even Putin will admit it at an intimate dinner!!, As I said, I am against the invasion of countries, but with exceptions, such as genocide. The occupation of Yugoslavia is true because there was a genocide against the Bosniaks. genocide cannot be ignored

''A government in which one dude rules alone (sorry, Jupiter, that's how he's called), arbitrarily according to his caprices and work against the people as well as crippling the ones who contradict him (in addition to always insult them), I call that a tyranny. It is simply not said out loud because France is supposed to be a good country.
You can still find worse, so I'd concede it is a soft one, but a tyranny is still a tyranny.''

-Elections can be held freely in France, there is freedom of criticism and expression. Parliament has power. (even if not as much as in germany) i don't see tyranny here

''I'll consider your offer if I can be a lazy civil servant there. Surely Chinese government is not sweet toward the opposition either, but we know what to expect there and the rule are crystal clear.''

-its your decision. I think france cannot fully integrate immigrants. well i will ask you a specific question do you feel french? (you said your ancestors came a long time ago or i am misremembering). You have a certain level of education and knowledge. If you stay in france it will be in france's favour.

''As I said, the threat of the Nazis in Ukrain is exagerrated. However, they exist and 1/3 of the goverment was from Svoboda a few years ago. Those people didn't disappear all of a sudden either. Thus, the case of having few nazis in every country, yes, but is there 1/3 of the government that has been led by them? ''

-I don't think there are as many nazis as you say in the Azov battalion and the government, but this does not give Russia the right to invade.

'' Allow me to doubt that last statement. They surely think differently nowadays, but probably they still have link with their family for the ones having family in both countries. A driving force for Russians and Ukrainians to hate each others, in my opinion, would be more the act of cruelty perpetrated in both sides for those emotions are way stronger than a sense of pride.''

-yes, the actions of both sides fuel hate, but Russian pride is also important. after all 30 years ago ukraine was a state of theirs, now it is an independent country and they want to reject the russians and unite with europe

''Didn't the whole world did the same? As I said, the war could have been avoided, but it was rather pushed and now everybody is asking for peace. China has a "neutral" position and doesn't fully support Russia in this conflict. Best to know that China also has benefits in not fully supporting Russia for it will assert its leading position and their alliance.
Hypocrisy is not China refusing to recognize the sovereignty of Taiwan, but Western countries refusing to recognize Taiwan anymore because of their interests in mainland China. As far as I know, a few years ago, Taiwan was still exporting a lot and then got totally abandonned by the West except to be used as a pawn against China like Hong Kong. Hypocrisy is also having the same attitude in Chinese sea than we have in Ukraine/eastern Europe to create more and more conflicts. SO yes, it would be fine if there could be a peaceful resolution of the tensions between Taiwan and China, eventually recognizing the sovereignty of Taiwan, or unifying with mainland and giveing it a special statue, but such outcome is not favorised by the two countries or by the international scene.
Taiwan is also partly responsible of the situation though, they had the chance to be recongized internationally in 73 or 74... They refused because they claimed to be the government of mainland CHina as well...

We don't care because they are dictatorship then? Then we shouldn't care of US screwing the whole latin America and puting dictators and tyrant in power either, because they already were "dictatorships"? ''

-You are right on this issue, 1971' communist china was represented in the united nations instead of taiwan and america approved it. to lure communist china to his side in the cold war.But Taiwan is not abandoned by the USA. because it is in a great position to squeeze china at sea
yes, countries think about their interests, not peace. I agree with you about Latin America. the usa made many coups in latin america and hindered their development. but in the end, every people is governed as they deserve. latin america needs to overthrow these narcotic terror governments

'' A Republic isn't a democracy, and mostly you don't live in a democracy in this world, so yes, a state can do most of things without your consent. Privates companies too, but private companies also have to obey a country. If tomorrow we say that you have no right to speak about male sea-horses pregnancy except if it's a joke, then the company might just block every mention to sea horses (or just horses) not to waste time to determine wether it's a joke or not. That's exactly how a media like Youtube evolved since 10 years for instance, and how China is monitoring some of its companies as well. ''

-yes, most states decide on our behalf without our consent, but this is wrong. For example, I like Switzerland's democracy. Even to buy fighter jets, a referendum is held. The state exists for the people! But you didn't understand what I said. I just said what is public and private property

''If we are to link a position to an ethnicity and/or to fall into basic racism, let me introduce you to the Turkish embassy:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/317/918/ef7.jpg

Chineses living in France don't seem to be very much inlove with the Chinese government if you want to know though, at least not the ones from earlier migrations and from what I've seen. That's also why they came to France originally... As for hypocrisy : I live on the land of my ancestors, which is Brittany if you want to know (you may find another explanation to my love for dictatorship through Pinochet, I'd grant you a point for that), but France is not a democracy, again, it's a Republic in which democracy is, to say the least, dysfunctional, and even if it was, an interesting thing is that I could defend another system for my nation and/or country without the need to run away.

If you want other personal infos, please, just send a message and don't feel the need to ask for them publicly.''

-no i'm not doing basic racism. You are a French citizen, but you see China in front of France, I think this is wrong. Or I'm wrong, but my view on this is a little more conservative.

I don't understand what you want to convey in this picture, please be more descriptive. but in general it is difficult to be racist against Turks.

Who will be racist against Turks? Europeans occupied by the Turks for centuries Or Arabs whose caliphate was forcibly taken by the Turks?

The United States has always been a great country. We recognize the greatness of America. Everything you say is right. 😊

Excuse me, I want to say something. First of all, this topic is about your opinions on what Russia is doing, and I don't think what you're discussing about China has much to do with this topic. Second, you can't draw conclusions so easily based on your own subjective opinions. You say that what you are describing is the truth, so I would like to ask you, have you ever been to China? Do you think what 1.4 billion Chinese people have seen isn't the truth? I live in China, and no one knows what kind of country we are living in better than Chinese people. There are Chinese people from xinjiang, Tibet and other places, you can ask how their lives like and then make up your mind. And also, I invite you to come to China one day to see what the real China is like. I suggest that while listening from the Western media, you should also listen to the reports of the Chinese media and look at the problem with dialectical thinking. Finally, to blame a country and a government without any evidence, I don't think is a polite act. You insist that your point of view is correct with the Western prejudice view (but obviously, it's not your fault, and I understand it), and I don't think anyone is trying to understand and accept other people's point of view and look at things from a more objective perspective, so I don't think there is any need to keep on discussing this topic. And when I'm done with this reply, there must be someone saying I've been brainwashed by the Chinese government. I don't think I can explain to someone who already has an affirmative conclusion, so I won't waste my time on these meaningless things. For those people, whatever, I don't care. Please watch your language, I sincerely wish you good health! Thank you！

-Yes, China has no place in these political discussions about Russia's business. But I have heard from a few native CHinese people who think unconventionally like one from Guangzhou and even a former expat from America. A few Chinese don't approve of their anti-western ideals, dictatoral rule. And the American who is a popular YouTube Influencer is not sharing his personal experiences of living in China for several years and how the government has kicked him out for supporting blowing his whistle. So no more Chinese propaganda from his end, just a shut door. His wife is native Chinese as well as their daughter. The government promotes hate of foreigners so the Chinese people are influenced and started hating him in the streets in the name of national political identity.

The pro-Russian way of thinking is a declining idea that is going down like Russia's flagship vessel on the bottom of the Black Sea. Maybe it's time for other countries to change their minds on a desperate Putin and side with the USA. 🙂

Too bad Igor Samarsky got in trouble for over sharing his less-than-peaceful opinions towards members here about his Russian goals. He was an impatient teacher and wouldn't listen enough to arguments but he was of the old style of teacher to dictate his experiences for you to learn. With age many people can get set in their ways and become unchangeable and inflexible to fresh thinking, if the thinking is well-meaning to make them think critically about the good a whole world political system works as one.

Coca-Cola is good, I like Pepsi sometimes better, a democratic Western system has it's good argument in the world but as a counterbalance to it, Socialism nipping at it's heels keeps everyone from having their dream of taking over the world pruned short and you can't have too much of sun without the rain too so then you can grow big colorful flowers to be admired. Sometimes the horse is powerful, but leaves his manure under foot. Sunflowers all face one sun because they know where their needs are. Ukraine knows where their destiny lies too. It is not pleasant walking behind a horse since you find his path left dirty, but he does not mind at all, he is in his glory looking ahead. Maybe his rider put blinders on his eyes (no more social media for him) to keep his path straight. But the horse had a will when young to be wild and free then was broken in to serve his role.

Politics sometimes seem like one party should have a head and the other party a hindside. If there were no following end then there would be confusion in a way and nobody would get anywhere!

-Yes, China has no place in these political discussions about Russia's business. But I have heard from a few native CHinese people who think unconventionally like one from Guangzhou and even a former expat from America. A few Chinese don't approve of their anti-western ideals, dictatoral rule. And the American who is a popular YouTube Influencer is not sharing his personal experiences of living in China for several years and how the government has kicked him out for supporting blowing his whistle. So no more Chinese propaganda from his end, just a shut door. His wife is native Chinese as well as their daughter. The government promotes hate of foreigners so the Chinese people are influenced and started hating him in the streets in the name of national political identity.

The pro-Russian way of thinking is a declining idea that is going down like Russia's flagship vessel on the bottom of the Black Sea. Maybe it's time for other countries to change their minds on a desperate Putin and side with the USA. 🙂

It's not unconventional. Many Chineses who go in the outside world aren't very much into their own government. We call the plurality of opinions, which is inherent to human nature.
Chinese government doesn't promote hate as far as I 've seen, but cultivate nationalism/pride for their citizen. Hence, there is nothing surprising in having Chineses, especially on the internet, going crazy when China is being criticized. The same happen in Turkey where nationalism is stronger than int he West as well. It also happen when people are from one or an,other ideology. The left is particularly good at raging when something goes wrong for them, just like in France where univerisites are being vandalized right now because their candidate lost. So yes, there is hate on the Internet, but maybe you focus too much on the Chineses and forgot that they are a billion on the Internet.

As for being "pro russia", of course people will tend to be less encling to side with russia for the propaganda is ilmmeasurable and siding with Russia would bring man ypeople the message of hate you are talking about... Please, see the beam in your eyes as well when you are obviously biaised by taking a side yourself.

'' It's notr because you have a nuclear weapong that you canor will do anything with it. Nuclear policy of Russia is a "escalation/de-escalation" policy. In other words, they wouldn't nuke anyone just because, but either because their integrity is threatened, an important spot has been attacked, that they got nuked.... Basically, the purpose is essentially dissuasive. Now that this has been clarified, it doesn't mean that Russia can't be at war on its land in a conventionnal conflict, in which topography is a key... Moreover, new technologies are always developped, including antiballistic devices. So just in case, yes, the justification stand, because that is what you do when you want to get all the chances by your side.'2

-In a possible ground operation in Kaliningrad, Russia uses its nuclear weapons without hesitation. also. anti-ballistic missiles cannot simultaneously destroy thousands of nuclear warheads, at best they destroy 40%, but what about the remaining 60%? Also, the era of hypersonic missiles began. There is currently no air defense system capable of intercepting hypersonic missiles. So my suggestion is valid.

''You should re read my previous messages because I already said so. What does it change though? Being imperialist doesn't mean you have view on every countries in this planet. So please, provide elements that Russia has view on the Baltic states.
Yes, that's true, but I'm not talking about 1995. NATO also came in 1999 using the "operation horseshoe" as a justification. The plan was then revealed to be full bullshit.''

-As for the horseshoe operation. There are different claims, Serbs reject such a plan. The former Bulgarian foreign minister said that the intelligence report given to Germany was unconfirmed. Amnesty International ,says Albanians are being forced to deport, but i don't believe what the fascist serbian government says. As for the Baltic states, if they had not joined nato, they would have been occupied by Russia.

'' As I said, tyranny appears when a man alone can rule according to his caprices which are to cripple people. This is exactly what the 5th Republic allows in France through various means that, unlike you said, can bypass the Parliament. Elections are "free" in appearance only and the government is chosen by the President himself, not by the citizens. Now, you can add to that the delightful layer of Brussel/EU that is one of the most kafkaian institution around. Freedom of speech is monitored and as shown since two years, a part of the people (inb4 "ur antivax" : I'm vaccinated) got ostrasized for having a different opinion as there was no sanitary arguments presented by the government to justify discriminations. So yes, it is a tyranny even according to your definition.''

-The President has the power to dissolve the National Assembly. However, this authority cannot be used in cases of emergency.
The president can appoint anyone he wants as the prime minister, but if the parliament fails to appoint one of its majority, parliament accepts a motion of no confidence and forces the government to resign. The president and prime minister may belong to different political groups, this is called ''cohabitation''.
Extraordinary situations bring extraordinary measures. Civilian citizens do not have the same rights in a war situation, also this is true in a pandemic.

'' I don't know what are you refering to here. Nevertheless I agree, but France doesn't try to assimilate nor to integrate imigrant since at least20years and has switched to multiculturalism.''

-You said you wanted to go to China as a civil servant, I said it based on that. In France, far-right parties have very high voting rates. far-right le pen and zemmour's voting rates exceed 30%, which is a high rate. I guess french people don't accept multiculturalism? what do you think about it

''What I said is that there was 1/3 of members of Svoboda back then, which is a nazi party. People there, and people who supported them didn't disappear all of a sudden. I didn't say that there is that many nazi in Azov not that they are still that many in the government and precised that there was exagerration from Russia. I didn't say anything more and the pupose of my initial statement was just to remind that Ukraine is far from being the pure lamb we are depicted it is.
As you said, it doesn't give one country the right to invade another, yet, nobody like this ideology, at least publicly, hence it's a free ticket. ''

-I agree with what they said yes, but not the view that the nazis were unpopular. in europe. support for the nazis increases, especially after the migrations

'' Peace can be in the interest of a country... Typically, since we love China on this thread dedicated to Russia, China has all its interests to keep peace at least around itself and it has other methods to get what its government wants; it's traditionnal in this country to avoid armed conflicts (which doesn't mean they are saints, ôr even that they are "nice guys"..). I'd agree on the fact that people deserve their government H.owever, latin American countries are certainly not helped for each time they get a government of their choice, they get suppressed for it is not the ones the US likes. ''

-Yes that is right. But China is avoiding armed struggle for now, but when they are confident enough, they can launch an operation against Taiwan.It is impossible to thwart a government with sufficient popular support forever. They may hinder for a while, but in the end, the people win.

''Switzerland is a direct democracy though, and even in this case, I'd argue that citizen don't always choose because a tool called propaganda can lead them to one or another outcome. Plus referundum aren't always respected or are repeated ad nauseam until it passes (ex: retirement reform in Switzerland, or EU constitution in France if I remembeer properly).

I got your point I think, but my point stand still for in case of your house, if you want to invite someone, you are free, but you can't build everything you want freely to keep your analogy. You can't even keep wahtever you want. If the government says no weapon in your house, then it's no weapon. Same happen with private medias.''

-Scandinavian countries with representative democracy have good democracy. Of course, there will be proaganda and the government will want to direct people to it. there is no perfect democracy we don't live in a hobbit village , Freedom is not an unlimited concept. A system where people have basic rights, can express their opinions without fear, where the state is weak and people are strong is ideal.

''You probably don't mean it, but the way you wrote your sentences suggest that someone, because of his/her ethnicity, would support an idea or another, that Hans should support dictatorship and ethnies from France should support democracy. Ideology isn't genetic though, and you probably think I am Chinese because I stand for China and Russia here in this very topic and thus have an unconventional viewpoint compared to others, especially the cliché of the parigot in his 40-50's that the other dude from France is.
This is as ridiculous, to me, as implying that Turkish are cockroaches with the picture I sent. Hence, it was only a mockery.''

-What I'm saying has nothing to do with ethnicity, if Hans is praising the dictatorship, why not have a good experience? We could send Hans on vacation to North Korea for a few months! I think you chinese because I remember reading about it in previous chats.
you accuse me of racism and then you send me that photo. anyway

-Yes, China has no place in these political discussions about Russia's business. But I have heard from a few native CHinese people who think unconventionally like one from Guangzhou and even a former expat from America. A few Chinese don't approve of their anti-western ideals, dictatoral rule. And the American who is a popular YouTube Influencer is not sharing his personal experiences of living in China for several years and how the government has kicked him out for supporting blowing his whistle. So no more Chinese propaganda from his end, just a shut door. His wife is native Chinese as well as their daughter. The government promotes hate of foreigners so the Chinese people are influenced and started hating him in the streets in the name of national political identity.

The pro-Russian way of thinking is a declining idea that is going down like Russia's flagship vessel on the bottom of the Black Sea. Maybe it's time for other countries to change their minds on a desperate Putin and side with the USA. 🙂

It's not unconventional. Many Chineses who go in the outside world aren't very much into their own government. We call the plurality of opinions, which is inherent to human nature.
Chinese government doesn't promote hate as far as I 've seen, but cultivate nationalism/pride for their citizen. Hence, there is nothing surprising in having Chineses, especially on the internet, going crazy when China is being criticized. The same happen in Turkey where nationalism is stronger than int he West as well. It also happen when people are from one or an,other ideology. The left is particularly good at raging when something goes wrong for them, just like in France where univerisites are being vandalized right now because their candidate lost. So yes, there is hate on the Internet, but maybe you focus too much on the Chineses and forgot that they are a billion on the Internet.

As for being "pro russia", of course people will tend to be less encling to side with russia for the propaganda is ilmmeasurable and siding with Russia would bring man ypeople the message of hate you are talking about... Please, see the beam in your eyes as well when you are obviously biaised by taking a side yourself.

Chinese people cannot separate the state and the government. In China, the state is considered sacred, as in most eastern societies. Disliking the Chinese Communist Party does not make you a traitor. The Chinese Communist Party is a party that insults its people and does not give them the right to choice . On the contrary, opposing the Chinese Communist Party makes you a patriotic and proud citizen. The 5000-year-old Chinese civilization cannot be left in the hands of 3-5 tyrants who consider themselves superior to the people.

-In a possible ground operation in Kaliningrad, Russia uses its nuclear weapons without hesitation. also. anti-ballistic missiles cannot simultaneously destroy thousands of nuclear warheads, at best they destroy 40%, but what about the remaining 60%? Also, the era of hypersonic missiles began. There is currently no air defense system capable of intercepting hypersonic missiles. So my suggestion is valid.

Kallingrad is an important strategic point for Russia as well as part of its integrity. Still, accordiing to their policy, they wouldn't go with thousands of nukes at once.
Yes, hypersonic era has came, yet, we have the informations that are shared, and the informations that are not for obvious military reasons.

-As for the horseshoe operation. There are different claims, Serbs reject such a plan. The former Bulgarian foreign minister said that the intelligence report given to Germany was unconfirmed. Amnesty International ,says Albanians are being forced to deport, but i don't believe what the fascist serbian government says.

Yes, Bulgarian said it was "unconfirmed", but what's more is that Bulgaria at that time was striving to be part of NATO and that was their entrance ticket. Futhermore, it's Germany and NATO that really spread the rumors to get the support of their people, yet german minister of defense has been unable to provide the document, and a german general told it was more a plan against separatists which would tend to be more logical with the fact that Albanians were coming back to Kosovo before the war. Another point that goes in the sense that all this was just a nice story for children was the words of one of the former NATO spokeman saying how important and great was the manipulation of opinions by the German government back then. The same plan was named in Bulgarian too, and not in Serbian... The whole resulting in an "intervention" from NATO in a country that wasn't attacking any member of the "alliance" without any mandate from the UN.

As for the Baltic states, if they had not joined nato, they would have been occupied by Russia.

Again, do you have some elements in this sense? More than "Russia is imperialist and nostalgic"? Because in this case, the baltic states also are thretened by Turkey.

-The President has the power to dissolve the National Assembly. However, this authority cannot be used in cases of emergency.
The president can appoint anyone he wants as the prime minister, but if the parliament fails to appoint one of its majority, parliament accepts a motion of no confidence and forces the government to resign. The president and prime minister may belong to different political groups, this is called ''cohabitation''.
Extraordinary situations bring extraordinary measures. Civilian citizens do not have the same rights in a war situation, also this is true in a pandemic.

The assemblée nationale had no power since the begining of the mandate of Macron, which was in 2017 - in pre-covid era-. There is no need to dissolve the national assembly for the politics since 50 years in France is in such a way that it favours undemocratic moves. The change from seven-year term to five-year term is in such a way that you elect the deputies right after the president, allowing absolutely no counter power for people usually vote for the winner due not only the fact that we are idiots, but also because there is an inertia with the presidential propaganda where a candidate is supported by an oligarch and has all the advantages of the medias and another candidate is often used as a puppet and labeled as fascist and very dangerous after a while, preferably at the second round of the presidency (and this is exactly what is, once again, happening). You could see very well that such cohabitation hasn't occured for quite a while despite all the strikes and disatisfactions in France.
Extraordinary situations and emergencies states for several years and doesn't recquire to get stronger and stronger months after months while implementing some of its measures in the constitutions and passing laws using this same state of emergency that has nothing to do with the said emergency. Well, you can call that democracy or everything you want, I call that tyranny because it is what it is. The only thing is that, to use an anaolgy, it is "in the closet". It uses various pretext not to assume its state of tyranny.

-You said you wanted to go to China as a civil servant, I said it based on that. In France, far-right parties have very high voting rates. far-right le pen and zemmour's voting rates exceed 30%, which is a high rate. I guess french people don't accept multiculturalism? what do you think about it

Civil servants are (often wrongly) described as having an easy and lazy life, I joked about that. Still I don't see the point with integration.
Zemmour is the candidate of a billionaire, and not so much of the far right... He is a little bit anti-islam (in France), but for the rest, he simply is a liberalist. As for Le Pen, she's portrayed as the far right due to Jean-Marie Le Pen, but her program is a mix of left and liberalism with a pinch of national preference... She's basically a centrist but nobody read the """presidential""" program nowadays (which are legislative programs and can't even be applied due to being part of EU). As for the French, I suppose that they got enough of the "migrants are a chance for France", without questionning much the roots.

-I agree with what they said yes, but not the view that the nazis were unpopular. in europe. support for the nazis increases, especially after the migrations

Once again, have you seen a nazi party taking a third of the sits in a government? You said that Le pen and Zemmour are far right, have you seen them taking 1/3 of the sit in the Assemblée Nationale? I haven't and they are not the nazis in France yet and not supporting migrants isn't the same thing yet.

-Yes that is right. But China is avoiding armed struggle for now, but when they are confident enough, they can launch an operation against Taiwan.

In its history, China often has avoided useless conflict. It is not impossible that it gobbles up Taiwan in the future, especially seeing how pushing the West is, but it is not necessarily the way it would come. China has other means to take over a place both economically and diplomatically. They already showed how they are are taking over Africa or even EU.

It is impossible to thwart a government with sufficient popular support forever. They may hinder for a while, but in the end, the people win.

A government is often a leader as well. If you fuck up the leader, the government/party often falls with it. hence if you have enough propaganda, or if you just turn a country into a mess, people might just not do the "right choice".

-Scandinavian countries with representative democracy have good democracy. Of course, there will be proaganda and the government will want to direct people to it. there is no perfect democracy we don't live in a hobbit village , Freedom is not an unlimited concept.

Those countries have small populations to begin with (about 5-10millions), and if it looks more or less working, I doubt a democracy like in Sweden is very robust.

A system where people have basic rights, can express their opinions without fear, where the state is weak and people are strong is ideal.

That is your point of view, and it is very different of traditional idea France has despite more and more people seems to forget about it. In France, the state is supposed to be quasi omnipotent and that is this idea that led the country for centure, eventually leading to the healthcare and welfare we see before being dismantled little by little.

-What I'm saying has nothing to do with ethnicity, if Hans is praising the dictatorship, why not have a good experience? We could send Hans on vacation to North Korea for a few months! I think you chinese because I remember reading about it in previous chats.

As I said, it is what your sentences suggested, hence, how they were the most easily(at least in my opinion) interpreted. You already said that China is undemocratic, and suggested me to move to there if I love dictatorship so much, so why would they need to move to North Korea? Also we sure talk a lot about North Korea, but from what I've seen, almost nobody knows more of this place than "Korea bad".
The only one who said I was Chinese here is a parisian dude and it was used as a personal attack.

you accuse me of racism and then you send me that photo. anyway

Note that I didn't say that you are a racist. There was a shade in my sentence. As for sharing that picture specifically, yes, and it served a purpose as I already explained.

Chinese people cannot separate the state and the government. In China, the state is considered sacred, as in most eastern societies. Disliking the Chinese Communist Party does not make you a traitor. The Chinese Communist Party is a party that insults its people and does not give them the right to choice . On the contrary, opposing the Chinese Communist Party makes you a patriotic and proud citizen. The 5000-year-old Chinese civilization cannot be left in the hands of 3-5 tyrants who consider themselves superior to the people.

They actually can, like everybody else. Just that there are people who chose to inconditionally support their government, some that chose not to, and some who disagree with it. I talk with some chineses people and I see those three type of people at least.
As for the CCP, it has to be said that China is on the rise and that the condition of Chineses is getting better, at least for the middle class. There is alsoa fight against corruption and poverty there, which is not always the case in the West (in France, it's actually the opposite for instance, which is why you have so maany social movements like the yellow jackets). So yes, China has many many problems, but having people supporting the state and the government seems pretty much legit, even if some are overly supporting CHina and its government (which is not rare with Turkish on the Internet either by the way, and a reason why some pictures like the one I sent emerged). Chinese civilization also is full of tyrants who considered themselves superior to the people and it has partly been build by those very people among which you find Shi Huangdi or Hongwu.

''Yes, Bulgarian said it was "unconfirmed", but what's more is that Bulgaria at that time was striving to be part of NATO and that was their entrance ticket. Futhermore, it's Germany and NATO that really spread the rumors to get the support of their people, yet german minister of defense has been unable to provide the document, and a german general told it was more a plan against separatists which would tend to be more logical with the fact that Albanians were coming back to Kosovo before the war. Another point that goes in the sense that all this was just a nice story for children was the words of one of the former NATO spokeman saying how important and great was the manipulation of opinions by the German government back then. The same plan was named in Bulgarian too, and not in Serbian... The whole resulting in an "intervention" from NATO in a country that wasn't attacking any member of the "alliance" without any mandate from the UN.''

-You are prolonging unnecessary sentences. Slobodan Milošević is a genocidal murderer and any attack on yugoslava under his government is legitimate. Congratulations once again to the pilots who participated in the bombing.

'' Again, do you have some elements in this sense? More than "Russia is imperialist and nostalgic"? Because in this case, the baltic states also are thretened by Turkey.''

-You must be either very stupid or malicious to make this sentence. Look at the distance between Turkey and the Baltics. militarily. Such an attack is not possible and there is no reason for turkey (you are giving a troll answer anyway). In addition, all of the former Soviet countries that wanted to develop a policy independent from Russia were occupied. Russia is occupying the former Soviet geographies that it cannot control. You know, Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia were occupied.

''The assemblée nationale had no power since the begining of the mandate of Macron, which was in 2017 - in pre-covid era-. There is no need to dissolve the national assembly for the politics since 50 years in France is in such a way that it favours undemocratic moves. The change from seven-year term to five-year term is in such a way that you elect the deputies right after the president, allowing absolutely no counter power for people usually vote for the winner due not only the fact that we are idiots, but also because there is an inertia with the presidential propaganda where a candidate is supported by an oligarch and has all the advantages of the medias and another candidate is often used as a puppet and labeled as fascist and very dangerous after a while, preferably at the second round of the presidency (and this is exactly what is, once again, happening). You could see very well that such cohabitation hasn't occured for quite a while despite all the strikes and disatisfactions in France.
Extraordinary situations and emergencies states for several years and doesn't recquire to get stronger and stronger months after months while implementing some of its measures in the constitutions and passing laws using this same state of emergency that has nothing to do with the said emergency. Well, you can call that democracy or everything you want, I call that tyranny because it is what it is. The only thing is that, to use an anaolgy, it is "in the closet". It uses various pretext not to assume its state of tyranny.''

-you're being silly yes france is a dictatorship and china is a perfect democracy with north korea lol. you are the devil's advocate

''Civil servants are (often wrongly) described as having an easy and lazy life, I joked about that. Still I don't see the point with integration.
Zemmour is the candidate of a billionaire, and not so much of the far right... He is a little bit anti-islam (in France), but for the rest, he simply is a liberalist. As for Le Pen, she's portrayed as the far right due to Jean-Marie Le Pen, but her program is a mix of left and liberalism with a pinch of national preference... She's basically a centrist but nobody read the """presidential""" program nowadays (which are legislative programs and can't even be applied due to being part of EU). As for the French, I suppose that they got enough of the "migrants are a chance for France", without questionning much the roots.''

-You lie , le pen and zemmour far right, you can't soften them .

'' A government is often a leader as well. If you fuck up the leader, the government/party often falls with it. hence if you have enough propaganda, or if you just turn a country into a mess, people might just not do the "right choice".''

-another ignorant comment ..parties are based on ideologies and ideologies do not die

''Note that I didn't say that you are a racist. There was a shade in my sentence. As for sharing tha''t picture specifically, yes, and it served a purpose as I already explained.''

-what purpose did it serve lol. cannot serve anything.

it's tiring to answer more of this nonsense

'' Those countries have small populations to begin with (about 5-10millions), and if it looks more or less working, I doubt a democracy like in Sweden is very robust. ''

-Germany's population is 80 million and its democracy is solid. after the gorgeous north korea of ​​course 🙂

It's invading a sovereign country.

My friends, this forum is not about China. It seems that after Trump came to power, the western people are extremely obsessed with China, and everything will involve China. 😂 As a Chinese, I thank you for your care and crazy love for China. You've had a long day. Have a nice weekend.