Abortion

idk guys war kills people too

Yes, I will say it again: blaming someone of murder, in situation You have no idea about, is unright.

You call this a murder - do You even know how many people don't consider it this way? Without judging if it is or not - use the strongest words You want, it's your perception. I agree, generally, but it doesn't matter.

You are no less emotional here, than another person, earlier in this topic, who was pro-choice.

Also, from what I know, there is no data showing that abortion is predictor of traumas or that after this proceder mental health is going down. Give me data if You have, (you of course will find something for pro life - and for pro choice side, because there are studies made for each worldview and thesis. But It's methodologically problematic) but Im still saying: people deciding for abortion, usually presents different perspective of when the life of human starts and don't consider it as "murder".

And don't talk about abortion industry, how evil it is, etc, because I know all of that, Ive heard that, don't make this discussion drifting away.

There is difference between abortion on demand as solution to birth - and - rare, but real and still happening situations when it's related to health problems, condition of potential mother or child and just... Circumstances. And You are not in position to blame young women who makes such decision, because you don't know her and don't know the case.

Blame the groups that propagate such proceder as something normal and good and as human right, but don't feel qualified to make judgments about little percent of specifical and fragile cases where it's not so simple.

Life begins at the moment of conception not because I said so, but because it's a biological fact (new and unique DNA). That means that abortion is always murder and murder is always an unacceptable act.

Genuinely surprised this isn't locked yet but the [bundle of sticks] thread is.

There's a very old joke that can aptly summarise this entire argument:

1.Pro life

2.Pro murder

3.What race is it

I tend to sit on a fence in most political arguments between the right and left and religion and science.

Although on this topic I feel like religion and science align and agree that life begins at conception. That would mean abortion is a no no.

Personally I think rare circumstances should be exempt like rape or harm to the mother etc.

However, as a person who was given up by biological parents as a baby and spent their life in the foster care system, I wouldn't wish that life on anyone. And although I survived and made a life for myself and have my own child, there were plenty of times I went dark and wished for death and wished that I myself would have been aborted.

If you don't want your child, whether you abort or not I think the odds are against that child in some way.

I think we just need more love in this world

I tend to sit on a fence in most political arguments between the right and left and religion and science.

Although on this topic I feel like religion and science align and agree that life begins at conception. That would mean abortion is a no no.

Personally I think rare circumstances should be exempt like rape or harm to the mother etc.

However, as a person who was given up by biological parents as a baby and spent their life in the foster care system, I wouldn't wish that life on anyone. And although I survived and made a life for myself and have my own child, there were plenty of times I went dark and wished for death and wished that I myself would have been aborted.

If you don't want your child, whether you abort or not I think the odds are against that child in some way.

I think we just need more love in this world

So you say that murder is sometimes acceptable? I don't think so. Murder can't cancel the rape. If mother's life is endangered, she MAY die or survive but in case of abortion/murder one person SURELY dies and maybe even mother die as well. I'm sorry that you had traumatic childhood but you are a real example of strong character who won unfavourable circumstances and I congratulate you for that. Shouldn't all people get that chance? If you were murdered, you won't be able to get that chance. Also you've mentioned that you wished to be aborted/murdered when you felt depression (you couldn't think rationally back then because of youe depression). Now when you are safe and sound, I am sure you've changed your mind.

Religion and science aren't in contrast, they are perfectly compatible. But murder/abortion isn't only political or religious question, all civilized and rational people should be against murder regardless of their political preferences or their religion

So you say that murder is sometimes acceptable? I don't think so. Murder can't cancel the rape. If mother's life is endangered, she MAY die or survive but in case of abortion/murder one person SURELY dies and maybe even mother die as well. I'm sorry that you had traumatic childhood but you are a real example of strong character who won unfavourable circumstances and I congratulate you for that. Shouldn't all people get that chance? If you were murdered, you won't be able to get that chance. Also you've mentioned that you wished to be aborted/murdered when you felt depression (you couldn't think rationally back then because of youe depression). Now when you are safe and sound, I am sure you've changed your mind.

Religion and science aren't in contrast, they are perfectly compatible. But murder/abortion isn't only political or religious question, all civilized and rational people should be against murder regardless of their political preferences or their religion

The key word in everything you say is "Murder". That sounds like a legal term and legally at least in my country abortion isn't considered as such even if that's your moral opinion.

I think we largely agree against abortion, but as someone who actually lived the life of a person who suffered systemic abuse both physical and sexual and has a number of mental health conditions as a result of parents who didn't want them, yes I would say in extreme circumstances where the mother is in harms way we should think of the person who is right in front of us over the person who is yet to be.

It's a difficult choice, and one I'd probably choose my own baby over myself, but I feel like people should at least have the choice in those extreme circumstances that are rare.

We should focus on our similarities rather than our differences ❤️

Hello everyone.

Im aware im young and people my age dont nessesary have fully devoleped views about things yet and im no diffrent however I resently wrote an ethics analysis on this topic so id like to say i have looked at quite a few options regarding this topic so i hope thats enough so i can make a intellectual point.

My personal opinion is formed mostly based on christian values i have been taugth as a child but more as acepting since most people around me belive its a huge sin.

My opinion is in the middle on the scale im not againt abortion but im not on its side either. I personally would not do it but i do think its good that women have a choice on weather to do it or not. But only in cases like it being a non good pregnancy like rape or incest or it causing major health problems for the baby or the mother. But the unnessesary abortion should stop or atleast decreace significantly the ones where its not the rigth time or i dont want children. One third of people i know are in stable foster homes or have been adopted by nice families and have a lot nicer life than me and all that was achived by not aborting them. My opinion is that we should put our focus on helping these women who want abortion not shame them to not do it as i have seen many times online and in various places but to help them not do it giving them a support network giving financial aid and improving orphanages and foster home systems but still give them the opinion to choose in the end.

I hope my point was understandable in this text.

Both of you mentioned word "choice". If you commit murder/abortion, you leave no choice to unborn person, you leave him/her only death. I agree that we should offer any type of help to pregnant women both during the pregnancy and after birth, but murder/abortion isn't help. Yes I call it murder because I prefer to use right terms. The fact that it isn't considered murder in your country is irrelevant, it's still a murder because you are killing person (unborn is not "yet to be person", it's an unique person with his/her own unique DNA). Speaking about rape, health ussues and other similar things, I think I have explained everything in my previous posts - it's still a murder and it is never acceptable. I am glad that both of you claim you will probably choose life which I appreciate very and I hope you will start to protect all lives. We are all equal and all of us should have human rights and right to live and be born is the fundamental right and precondition to all other rights