Abortion

I fully approve of helping a pregnant woman keep her unborn child if she so desires. Nevertheless, I find this current obsession with life on the part of believers astonishing. For centuries, the Church has massacred millions of well-born people in the most horrific ways without it raising the slightest qualm of conscience.

I think that's a little unfair on religion. Like, the Church itself admits that its past actions were wrong (obviously); them making mistakes (big mistakes, a millennia-long series of huge intentional mistakes) doesn't immediately invalidate their position. Plus, it's ridiculous to blame 21st-century believers for the past actions of the institution they now follow.

100%? As in there is no conceivable situation in which an abortion would be the reasonable thing to do?

For me, yes. (The only exception I know is the tubal pregnancy. There is no way - from what I know, maybe the medicine has better knowledge now? - to save the child. And the mother would die, too. But this is really the only exception I know.

Personally, I would even give my life if I could save my baby (if I had one), e.g. when cancer and pregnancy etc.

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For me personally, this topic is another one that has to do
primarily with how we deal with sexuality. The way we've
become accustomed to intellectualising topics is sure the
second point.

Abortions are now treated like wart removals on the foot.
It can simply be a matter of examining the way we deal
with SEXUALITY and quickly bringing it back into a bit
more natural balance...


THANK YOU
michael

As this is still a very hotly debated topic, I wanted to ask what you think about it.
I personally think that every woman should have the right to abort a pregnancy. Therefore, I consider laws in countries like Poland to be alarming.
However, I know that many people have a different opinion than I do. I also think that it is very important to talk with people who have a contrary opinion.

I completely agree with you. Why is she blamed for aborting a child she doesn't want, instead of blaming him who forced the child on her or made her feel insecure about it? Even though, many people believe it is murder and all, but think about it careful. It can completely mess with the innocent mind of the child as well as mother's. And what about the forced pregnancy? She is the one who is going to give birth, so she should be the one to decide.

Abortion should be renamed: infanticide in utero.
It is not a failed mission or a mere “Abort, abort!”—it is unequivocally the murder of an individual already endowed with a unique genetic makeup whose very nature places it definitively within the human species.

The fact that a mother decides to kill her own child constitutes the vilest act imaginable.
Judging the soul is beyond human capacity. But judging the act is not. To grant automatic legal pardon to a murder (premeditated killing) is madness.

I thought to myself, this topic is still relevant...
________________________________________________________________LADY and GENT_________________

A fact in Germany:

In a long-term relationship, the father of his unborn child has no say
in the matter. If the expectant mother, disregarding her partner's
feelings, has an abortion, the man must live with that decision. Any
reasonably sensitive man would feel as if he had also been aborted
as well by such an act...

This story is far form over!


LOVE and LIGHT
michael

Abortion is murder. And there is no valid reason to justify murder. Some of you bring the rape in discussion. You really think that murder will cancel the rape? It won't; it will only add additional crime (murder) to previous crime (rape). Child isn't responsible for father's disgusting behavior. Right to live is the fundamental human right and precondition to gain all other rights

I think abortion rights are a really sticky topic because so many arguments make abortion seem like the right thing to do however at the some time you also have the cons of abortion! It’s so hard to have an opinion you can actually stick beside since you don’t know whether you should choose pro-life or pro-choice. But I think if we do bring children into the world we need to also treat them right we cannot just give birth to them and treat them like a nobody. I think as well as abortion - children’s rights should be equally discussed!!!

I think abortion rights are a really sticky topic because so many arguments make abortion seem like the right thing to do however at the some time you also have the cons of abortion!

The fact that it is murder should be enough reason not to do it

I’m not saying we should encourage murder but I think if a woman has been sexually abused and therefore becomes pregnant and her “partner” and family leave her I don’t think her social situation will allow for her to look after her child. I think in this situation an abortion would be best because why should an innocent child come into this world only to suffer and be emotionally deprived of its parents… just a thought.

I’m not saying we should encourage murder but I think if a woman has been sexually abused and therefore becomes pregnant and her “partner” and family leave her I don’t think her social situation will allow for her to look after her child. I think in this situation an abortion would be best because why should an innocent child come into this world only to suffer and be emotionally deprived of its parents… just a thought.

So you say that it's better to kill the child instead of giving him or her chance to live?

Circumstance of conception doesn't define how your life will be. If we say that all people are equal, then we should treat all people equally and give them chance to be born and to live. If we start to choose who can live and who can't then we aren't different from Hitler, Stalin, Attila, Mao Zedong and other mass murderers - they killed people because they considered them as burden. They used different methods but they had the same logic - more powerful person decides who will live which is unacceptable. If a woman isn't in good social or economical situation, she can always give child for adoption and she can seek for help; there are many individuals and pro-life organisations which provide help for abandoned mothers. There are many women who were raped and impoverished during the war in my country but they choose to give birth and their children are grateful for that.

Let's apply pro-death argument of poverty to this situation: If woman and her 5 year old child are suddenly abandoned and left alone in poverty, is it OK to kill that child as well?

Once there was unborn person whose father was addicted to alcohol and he didn't have good relationship with him. His family was poor and his mother wanted to abort/kill him before he was born. His brother was addicted to alcohol and drugs. So, according to pro-death people, that child is predestined to have terrible life. His name is Cristiano Ronaldo.

So you say that it's better to kill the child instead of giving him or her chance to live?

Circumstance of conception doesn't define how your life will be. If we say that all people are equal, then we should treat all people equally and give them chance to be born and to live. If we start to choose who can live and who can't then we aren't different from Hitler, Stalin, Attila, Mao Zedong and other mass murderers - they killed people because they considered them as burden. They used different methods but they had the same logic - more powerful person decides who will live which is unacceptable. If a woman isn't in good social or economical situation, she can always give child for adoption and she can seek for help; there are many individuals and pro-life organisations which provide help for abandoned mothers. There are many women who were raped and impoverished during the war in my country but they choose to give birth and their children are grateful for that.

Let's apply pro-death argument of poverty to this situation: If woman and her 5 year old child are suddenly abandoned and left alone in poverty, is it OK to kill that child as well?

Once there was unborn person whose father was addicted to alcohol and he didn't have good relationship with him. His family was poor and his mother wanted to abort/kill him before he was born. His brother was addicted to alcohol and drugs. So, according to pro-death people, that child is predestined to have terrible life. His name is Cristiano Ronaldo.

What You are saying is generally... Right, I personally consider abortion as something completely wrong, tragedious, evil even, often.

But would You put a blame of "murder" on girl in such situation? Because it's very unfair. Life is too complex to expect that everyone will be walking embodiment of right choices.

And You can't, just can't tell which one is more right and less wrong: abortion/mother that gives birth to child but will commit suicide/surrender due to situation and inability to deal with it mentally.

In some situations it's just not so simple, world is not like that.

So while I am pro life and against abortion as "oh, it's just uncomfortable" - it is not so simple to tell someone what exactly life means, for who, and predict the consequences.

I don’t think abortion is an easy choice for any women. Okay let’s say there are shelters for women which they may be able to use to help them but what if they loneliness leads them to become drug addicts or alcohol addicts (I’m not saying this happens all the time) but this might lead the mothers to be abusive towards their child. We have so many adults who come forward and talk about how abuse has shaped their lives and how it’s still impacting them.

https://www.profemina.org/de-de

https://www.1000plus.net/de-de

Recommendations for women in a pregnancy conflict. It is not only for Germans.

https://www.profemina.org/de-de

https://www.1000plus.net/de-de

Recommendations for women in a pregnancy conflict. It is not only for Germans.

It’s in German…

It’s in German…

Sure, the main page is in German, but they offer help also for women from abroad and in foreign languages. 🙂

https://www.1000plus.net/de-de/kontakt

https://www.profemina.org/de-de

there is the option to change the language top right

Ohhhh thanks

Ohhhh thanks

my pleasure