100%? As in there is no conceivable situation in which an abortion would be the reasonable thing to do?
For me, yes. (The only exception I know is the tubal pregnancy. There is no way - from what I know, maybe the medicine has better knowledge now? - to save the child. And the mother would die, too. But this is really the only exception I know.
Personally, I would even give my life if I could save my baby (if I had one), e.g. when cancer and pregnancy etc.
As this is still a very hotly debated topic, I wanted to ask what you think about it.
I personally think that every woman should have the right to abort a pregnancy. Therefore, I consider laws in countries like Poland to be alarming.
However, I know that many people have a different opinion than I do. I also think that it is very important to talk with people who have a contrary opinion.
I completely agree with you. Why is she blamed for aborting a child she doesn't want, instead of blaming him who forced the child on her or made her feel insecure about it? Even though, many people believe it is murder and all, but think about it careful. It can completely mess with the innocent mind of the child as well as mother's. And what about the forced pregnancy? She is the one who is going to give birth, so she should be the one to decide.
Abortion should be renamed: infanticide in utero.
It is not a failed mission or a mere “Abort, abort!”—it is unequivocally the murder of an individual already endowed with a unique genetic makeup whose very nature places it definitively within the human species.
The fact that a mother decides to kill her own child constitutes the vilest act imaginable.
Judging the soul is beyond human capacity. But judging the act is not. To grant automatic legal pardon to a murder (premeditated killing) is madness.
Abortion is murder. And there is no valid reason to justify murder. Some of you bring the rape in discussion. You really think that murder will cancel the rape? It won't; it will only add additional crime (murder) to previous crime (rape). Child isn't responsible for father's disgusting behavior. Right to live is the fundamental human right and precondition to gain all other rights
I think abortion rights are a really sticky topic because so many arguments make abortion seem like the right thing to do however at the some time you also have the cons of abortion! It’s so hard to have an opinion you can actually stick beside since you don’t know whether you should choose pro-life or pro-choice. But I think if we do bring children into the world we need to also treat them right we cannot just give birth to them and treat them like a nobody. I think as well as abortion - children’s rights should be equally discussed!!!
I’m not saying we should encourage murder but I think if a woman has been sexually abused and therefore becomes pregnant and her “partner” and family leave her I don’t think her social situation will allow for her to look after her child. I think in this situation an abortion would be best because why should an innocent child come into this world only to suffer and be emotionally deprived of its parents… just a thought.
I’m not saying we should encourage murder but I think if a woman has been sexually abused and therefore becomes pregnant and her “partner” and family leave her I don’t think her social situation will allow for her to look after her child. I think in this situation an abortion would be best because why should an innocent child come into this world only to suffer and be emotionally deprived of its parents… just a thought.
So you say that it's better to kill the child instead of giving him or her chance to live?
Circumstance of conception doesn't define how your life will be. If we say that all people are equal, then we should treat all people equally and give them chance to be born and to live. If we start to choose who can live and who can't then we aren't different from Hitler, Stalin, Attila, Mao Zedong and other mass murderers - they killed people because they considered them as burden. They used different methods but they had the same logic - more powerful person decides who will live which is unacceptable. If a woman isn't in good social or economical situation, she can always give child for adoption and she can seek for help; there are many individuals and pro-life organisations which provide help for abandoned mothers. There are many women who were raped and impoverished during the war in my country but they choose to give birth and their children are grateful for that.
Let's apply pro-death argument of poverty to this situation: If woman and her 5 year old child are suddenly abandoned and left alone in poverty, is it OK to kill that child as well?
Once there was unborn person whose father was addicted to alcohol and he didn't have good relationship with him. His family was poor and his mother wanted to abort/kill him before he was born. His brother was addicted to alcohol and drugs. So, according to pro-death people, that child is predestined to have terrible life. His name is Cristiano Ronaldo.
So you say that it's better to kill the child instead of giving him or her chance to live?
Circumstance of conception doesn't define how your life will be. If we say that all people are equal, then we should treat all people equally and give them chance to be born and to live. If we start to choose who can live and who can't then we aren't different from Hitler, Stalin, Attila, Mao Zedong and other mass murderers - they killed people because they considered them as burden. They used different methods but they had the same logic - more powerful person decides who will live which is unacceptable. If a woman isn't in good social or economical situation, she can always give child for adoption and she can seek for help; there are many individuals and pro-life organisations which provide help for abandoned mothers. There are many women who were raped and impoverished during the war in my country but they choose to give birth and their children are grateful for that.
Let's apply pro-death argument of poverty to this situation: If woman and her 5 year old child are suddenly abandoned and left alone in poverty, is it OK to kill that child as well?
Once there was unborn person whose father was addicted to alcohol and he didn't have good relationship with him. His family was poor and his mother wanted to abort/kill him before he was born. His brother was addicted to alcohol and drugs. So, according to pro-death people, that child is predestined to have terrible life. His name is Cristiano Ronaldo.
What You are saying is generally... Right, I personally consider abortion as something completely wrong, tragedious, evil even, often.
But would You put a blame of "murder" on girl in such situation? Because it's very unfair. Life is too complex to expect that everyone will be walking embodiment of right choices.
And You can't, just can't tell which one is more right and less wrong: abortion/mother that gives birth to child but will commit suicide/surrender due to situation and inability to deal with it mentally.
In some situations it's just not so simple, world is not like that.
So while I am pro life and against abortion as "oh, it's just uncomfortable" - it is not so simple to tell someone what exactly life means, for who, and predict the consequences.
I don’t think abortion is an easy choice for any women. Okay let’s say there are shelters for women which they may be able to use to help them but what if they loneliness leads them to become drug addicts or alcohol addicts (I’m not saying this happens all the time) but this might lead the mothers to be abusive towards their child. We have so many adults who come forward and talk about how abuse has shaped their lives and how it’s still impacting them.
https://www.profemina.org/de-de
https://www.1000plus.net/de-de
Recommendations for women in a pregnancy conflict. It is not only for Germans.
https://www.profemina.org/de-de
https://www.1000plus.net/de-de
Recommendations for women in a pregnancy conflict. It is not only for Germans.
It’s in German…
It’s in German…
Sure, the main page is in German, but they offer help also for women from abroad and in foreign languages. 🙂
https://www.1000plus.net/de-de/kontakt
https://www.profemina.org/de-de
there is the option to change the language top right
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What You are saying is generally... Right, I personally consider abortion as something completely wrong, tragedious, evil even, often.
But would You put a blame of "murder" on girl in such situation? Because it's very unfair. Life is too complex to expect that everyone will be walking embodiment of right choices.
And You can't, just can't tell which one is more right and less wrong: abortion/mother that gives birth to child but will commit suicide/surrender due to situation and inability to deal with it mentally.
In some situations it's just not so simple, world is not like that.
So while I am pro life and against abortion as "oh, it's just uncomfortable" - it is not so simple to tell someone what exactly life means, for who, and predict the consequences.
You say it's unfair to blame someone for murder? Is it fair to take the life of an innocent human being? Abortion is the deliberate killing of a child before birth and that is a biological and moral fact, not just an opinion.
The abortion industry (large corporations that profit from this) treats human life as a commodity. There are serious reports and controversies regarding the trade of fetal organs and tissue from these procedures - this is the ultimate dehumanization where a child's body is treated as "spare parts" for profit. These organizations don't care about women; they perform the procedure, take the money, and leave the woman alone to face the trauma and guilt that often lead to severe depression.
Regarding suicide, medical studies and data cited by experts show that the risk of mental health problems and suicide rates are actually higher after an abortion compared to women who carry their pregnancy to term, even in difficult circumstances. Abortion is not a solution for mental health issues; it is a new source of trauma. If a woman is in distress, she needs real support, psychiatric care and compassion - not a murder.
In the case of abortion, one life is CERTAINLY taken. In your example of suicide, it is a tragic POSSIBILITY that we must work to prevent through support, not by killing someone else.
As for life's complexity, look at before mentioned Cristiano Ronaldo. By pro-death ideologists he was predestined to have terrible life. And somehow he became world class footballer with excellent athleticism and longevity. Every child deserves that chance, no matter how difficult the situation seems at the start.
I don’t think abortion is an easy choice for any women. Okay let’s say there are shelters for women which they may be able to use to help them but what if they loneliness leads them to become drug addicts or alcohol addicts (I’m not saying this happens all the time) but this might lead the mothers to be abusive towards their child. We have so many adults who come forward and talk about how abuse has shaped their lives and how it’s still impacting them.
I understand your concern, nobody wants to see abused children. But does that justify deliberate ending the life of completely innocent and vulnerable children?
There are no "let's say" shelters, there are actual shelters specifically designed for pregnant women in distress. If my country (which has lower economical standard than yours) has shelters, I am sure that your country has even better ones. There are also many international organisations with same mission. Maria gave you 2 examples but there are more of them. Regarding abusing and becoming addicted, check Cristiano Ronaldo's example.
You say it's unfair to blame someone for murder? Is it fair to take the life of an innocent human being? Abortion is the deliberate killing of a child before birth and that is a biological and moral fact, not just an opinion.
The abortion industry (large corporations that profit from this) treats human life as a commodity. There are serious reports and controversies regarding the trade of fetal organs and tissue from these procedures - this is the ultimate dehumanization where a child's body is treated as "spare parts" for profit. These organizations don't care about women; they perform the procedure, take the money, and leave the woman alone to face the trauma and guilt that often lead to severe depression.
Regarding suicide, medical studies and data cited by experts show that the risk of mental health problems and suicide rates are actually higher after an abortion compared to women who carry their pregnancy to term, even in difficult circumstances. Abortion is not a solution for mental health issues; it is a new source of trauma. If a woman is in distress, she needs real support, psychiatric care and compassion - not a murder.
In the case of abortion, one life is CERTAINLY taken. In your example of suicide, it is a tragic POSSIBILITY that we must work to prevent through support, not by killing someone else.
As for life's complexity, look at before mentioned Cristiano Ronaldo. By pro-death ideologists he was predestined to have terrible life. And somehow he became world class footballer with excellent athleticism and longevity. Every child deserves that chance, no matter how difficult the situation seems at the start.
I understand your concern, nobody wants to see abused children. But does that justify deliberate ending the life of completely innocent and vulnerable children?
There are no "let's say" shelters, there are actual shelters specifically designed for pregnant women in distress. If my country (which has lower economical standard than yours) has shelters, I am sure that your country has even better ones. There are also many international organisations with same mission. Maria gave you 2 examples but there are more of them. Regarding abusing and becoming addicted, check Cristiano Ronaldo's example.
Yes, I will say it again: blaming someone of murder, in situation You have no idea about, is unright.
You call this a murder - do You even know how many people don't consider it this way? Without judging if it is or not - use the strongest words You want, it's your perception. I agree, generally, but it doesn't matter.
You are no less emotional here, than another person, earlier in this topic, who was pro-choice.
Also, from what I know, there is no data showing that abortion is predictor of traumas or that after this proceder mental health is going down. Give me data if You have, (you of course will find something for pro life - and for pro choice side, because there are studies made for each worldview and thesis. But It's methodologically problematic) but Im still saying: people deciding for abortion, usually presents different perspective of when the life of human starts and don't consider it as "murder".
And don't talk about abortion industry, how evil it is, etc, because I know all of that, Ive heard that, don't make this discussion drifting away.
There is difference between abortion on demand as solution to birth - and - rare, but real and still happening situations when it's related to health problems, condition of potential mother or child and just... Circumstances. And You are not in position to blame young women who makes such decision, because you don't know her and don't know the case.
Blame the groups that propagate such proceder as something normal and good and as human right, but don't feel qualified to make judgments about little percent of specifical and fragile cases where it's not so simple.
idk guys war kills people too
