Abortion Politics and governments

I think it isn't a murder,every woman should have that right😛

Every woman should be alowed to have that right

There is no right to kill innocent

There is no right to kill innocent

Daniel mulder is a b.. person

That was one of Tusk's promisses, haha.
Free decisions in Poland, good joke guy!
And by the way...you say you are pro-life...but on your profile picture the is a gun...looks like you are against life. That's what a gun is used for ... TO END LIFE!
A man should be silent. It is a woman's thing.

You have knives in your kitchen. Knives are used to end lives. You are against life.
Women are know practicing parthogenesis and "fall pregnant" alone? I think I msised a chapter in my studies of biology.

abortion should always be a decision of man. Men earn more so they are the main support for family therefore they should have deciding voice when it comes to keeping baby or not. In the end it is their money mostly that will be spend on new family member.

abortion should always be a decision of man. Men earn more so they are the main support for family therefore they should have deciding voice when it comes to keeping baby or not. In the end it is their money mostly that will be spend on new family member.

EXCUSE YOU? You're not the one who has to carry life for 9 months! Also, not every man earns more money than a woman. In relationships you should discuss it, but if one is to decide, it's defenitely the woman.

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You don't seem to understand so let me simplify it:

- You are judging someone for a picture of supposedly him holding a tool he could do absolutely anything with. You have no reason whatsoever to think that his hobbies his to kill people like there is no reason to think that women who do an abortion have "killing babies" as hobby. That's a poor and irrelevant fallacy, also called "poisoning the well".

- When someone say that men should be silent for abortion, it's like they forget that we are a species that works with sexual reproduction. In other words, you need a male and a female to make a newborn through fertilization of an egg.
If you look for the root of the problems (being unvoluntary pregnant), then the woman had several choice ahead:
- Choosing her partner (hence not one she doesn't want a child with)
- Using childbirth: Condom, IUD, pill, tubal ligation.
- Asking her partner to use childbirth: Condom, vasectomy if it's their thing.
- Not letting her partner nut inside her.
- In case of an accident, morning after pill.

She already had several choices to take about her body prior to get pregnant. If she does, then the problem is not her anymore, but their, although she bears the main burden. Her, like the man who made her pregnant, as to take responsibilities for their act.
I know it is very hard to conceive in a society full of adulescents, but when you do shit, you accept the consequences or you don't do that crap.

Now, as a good German, you target a Pole. This is lovely and similar to what is happening on a political level with Germans or French polticians who want to dictate what Poles do in Poland.

EXCUSE YOU? You're not the one who has to carry life for 9 months! Also, not every man earns more money than a woman. In relationships you should discuss it, but if one is to decide, it's defenitely the woman.

Biology is one thing economical factors are other. In the end it is a parent who earns more to be deciding person usually it is a man. 9 months of pregnancy means nothing when you compare it to 18 years of constant expanses on o child that need books clothes food etc. keeping the child in your body is nothing hard to do despite all women claims. Earning enough to sustain family is way harder

Biology is one thing economical factors are other. In the end it is a parent who earns more to be deciding person usually it is a man. 9 months of pregnancy means nothing when you compare it to 18 years of constant expanses on o child that need books clothes food etc. keeping the child in your body is nothing hard to do despite all women claims. Earning enough to sustain family is way harder

I disagree. A lot of women have jobs, which they have to give up in order to take care of their child. Also people get child support from the government to take care of the child. And as a man, you have absolutely no idea of how hard and painful child birth is. A lot of women deal with ptss and body issues after giving birth, so it's not only biological and economical related, as well as emotionally and mentally.

Those are mostly exaggeration and typical femal excuses not to work effectively

you have absolutely no idea of how hard and painful child birth is.

You don't seem to be a mother considering your age, so... Do you?

As for the economical side of the question: Yes, women have job and sometimes give up on it. Yes, some people get support from the government to take care of the child. However:
- Do you really think that support from a government is enough? That many people get it and that government support is free money that appears out of thin air?
- If some women give up on their job, is it true for most? I think most mothers I had around me in my life were working, not to say all of them, because their family would collapse due to lack of money else.

@WisentVincent also raise an itneresting point, despite I don't fully agree with it. When you look at it, women usually take more part time job or work less, but not necessarily because they are forced to raise chhildren, but also by choice to do so. Also, and if you look for divorce/child allowance; that would almost always be the man who would pay it.
Like I said earlier, a child and a pregnancy before that is not a solo work, despite the burden on women's body. It's made by 2 people and it will affect both people in any case. On my part, I prefer people to assume the consequences of their act, both men and women instead of being free to act like adulescents.

You don't seem to be a mother considering your age, so... Do you?

As for the economical side of the question: Yes, women have job and sometimes give up on it. Yes, some people get support from the government to take care of the child. However:
- Do you really think that support from a government is enough? That many people get it and that government support is free money that appears out of thin air?
- If some women give up on their job, is it true for most? I think most mothers I had around me in my life were working, not to say all of them, because their family would collapse due to lack of money else.

@WisentVincent also raise an itneresting point, despite I don't fully agree with it. When you look at it, women usually take more part time job or work less, but not necessarily because they are forced to raise chhildren, but also by choice to do so. Also, and if you look for divorce/child allowance; that would almost always be the man who would pay it.
Like I said earlier, a child and a pregnancy before that is not a solo work, despite the burden on women's body. It's made by 2 people and it will affect both people in any case. On my part, I prefer people to assume the consequences of their act, both men and women instead of being free to act like adulescents.

No, I don't, but stories of mothers and experiences of cramps do give you an idea if you're a female. In the Netherlands you have child support from the government if you don't earn enough to support your family.

Yes, a lot of women do have part time jobs to support their family, plus they do the work around the house and mostly raise the children. That's nothing less than earning money. Also, if the woman and man decide together who works the most and who focuses on raising the kids, then it is the choice of the both of them.

And about child allowence; if the woman raises the kids, then ofcourse the man should help pay for the kids' need, as the woman spends her time with the kids.

I agree it's not a solo work, but in general the man can more easily go away and reject his responsibilty. I think every woman should have the right to decide what happens with their body. How is it alright to force a human being to grow a baby inside of her?

There are an alarming number of opinions here from weak and fearful men who are very keen to keep women down.

Woke fishing? That's a classic one xD

Hide quickly! There comes a woman who has bigger balls than you. Hide...otherwise she'll realise what a weakling you are.

Thanks mate I preferr my women without balls xD

I agree it's not a solo work, but in general the man can more easily go away and reject his responsibilty. I think every woman should have the right to decide what happens with their body. How is it alright to force a human being to grow a baby inside of her?

Then rather to promote irresponsibility, maybe it would be better to enforce responsibilities for men who run away from them.
Also, as I said, se was not forced to have intercourses without birth control or with a partner who doesn't use them either, neither was she to let this man finish his job there. She wasn't forced either not to take an after-morning pill. A woman, like a man in this case, has many chances not to let this happen prior to this last resort. The only women who don't are: 1) raped women; 2) women for whom pregnancy threaten their life. Another rare case would be hyperfertile women, but let's be honest: it's definitely not so common. Maybe there are another case or two that I forget, but again, not the majority of the cases.
I think it's reasonable to ask people to take their responsibilities except in the above mentioned case, and maybe when the child has a huge defect that would severly impact the future parents' life

Then rather to promote irresponsibility, maybe it would be better to enforce responsibilities for men who run away from them.
Also, as I said, se was not forced to have intercourses without birth control or with a partner who doesn't use them either, neither was she to let this man finish his job there. She wasn't forced either not to take an after-morning pill. A woman, like a man in this case, has many chances not to let this happen prior to this last resort. The only women who don't are: 1) raped women; 2) women for whom pregnancy threaten their life. Another rare case would be hyperfertile women, but let's be honest: it's definitely not so common. Maybe there are another case or two that I forget, but again, not the majority of the cases.
I think it's reasonable to ask people to take their responsibilities except in the above mentioned case, and maybe when the child has a huge defect that would severly impact the future parents' life

I agree with your first point. You can't be sure tho who's forced and not: abusive husbands could force their wives to have intercourse with them. Also, birth control doesn't work in 100% of the cases, as sometimes things tear when you don't know. Even when a man doesn't finish, you still have some that comes before it, so it's not a safe option. And what about the cases of people who are happily together, but unwanted pregnant. Shouldn't they have the oppurtunity to be childless if they want to and continue their lives together? Not all people want to become parents.

abortion should always be a decision of man. Men earn more so they are the main support for family therefore they should have deciding voice when it comes to keeping baby or not. In the end it is their money mostly that will be spend on new family member.

Abortion never should be allowed as decision, no matter if it's man or woman who decide.

I agree with your first point. You can't be sure tho who's forced and not: abusive husbands could force their wives to have intercourse with them. Also, birth control doesn't work in 100% of the cases, as sometimes things tear when you don't know. Even when a man doesn't finish, you still have some that comes before it, so it's not a safe option. And what about the cases of people who are happily together, but unwanted pregnant. Shouldn't they have the oppurtunity to be childless if they want to and continue their lives together? Not all people want to become parents.

Like I said, there are some exceptions to considerate, but abortion is an ultimate recourse, whereas you have already several possibilities ahead that can be combined. if people are happy together and think that a child would be a burden, then they should take measures prior to abortion. Again, you have consequences for your acts.

you also talk about marital rape, but abortion, too, could be forced onto women (bonus, you can even get both). If you want to use a minor case, then the ones onthe opposite should count as well.