Opinion homosexuality Politics and governments

"If an opinion, contrary to your own,makes you angry,that is a sign that you are subconsciously aware of having no Good Reason for thinking as you do..."
(Bertrand Russell)
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I want to tell you that...You are a Human...sharing 99% or so ...( I don't know exact figure)...doesn't mean that you should start acting/living like other creatures...Why don't you talk only about Humans?
Many Species May have Homosexuality for their survival and continual of generation...But that doesn't mean that Humans Should Follow them...
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Please ...using abusive words .. like Stupid. Is never going to strengthen your opinion...it's not always necessary to EXPOSE your Self...I'm not a big Fan of Filthy Things...so please don't do so...
Offence not intended ...Have your Say...but also Give the Basic Courtesy You Expect...!

Ok fine. Maybe I shouldn't have used stupid, that might have been a bit rude. But still, I think my point still stands. Something not being advantageous does not mean that it is unnatural. That is a conclusion made with basic logical reasoning. Saying otherwise is incorrect, therefore I called it stupid.

Right, but if it's not an advantage, then it's either a disadvantage or a neutral character. If it's the former one, then it tends to disappear. If it's the first one, then the character spread randomly. In case of homosexuality, first thought would be that it's a disadvantage, but homosexual intercourses, if not homosexuality, remains stable over the generations.
Since the character is stable (just as the population of left handed people), then we can suppose that the genes implied in homoseuxality -not necessarily homosexuality itself - are advantageous to us to some extents.

tl;dr : In other words, homosexuality is more likely "natural" for most of definitions people would give to this word.

First, it is morally wrong. Second, please tell me why you have to run around forcing everyone to know your sexual preference? We don't care! Keep it in your bedroom. Third, it's science: Men who are born men can not become women.

Morally to some. Pederasty, a form of homosexuality, was morally valued for the Greeks, between certain circumstances. It was more likely a must too for Spartan warriors.

Also, Homosexuality has nothing to do with gender disphoria. Gender disphoria, which leads some people to change take a surgery is a very different thing sometime associated with homosexuality, but which I would argue to be a mental troubles even though the political correctness says not (based on no other argument that it hurts the people who suffer from it from what I've seen) and which can evolves throughout the time.

Homosexuality is found in 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. which is unnatural now? 😏

450 I don't know, but most of them don't seem to have a longstanding homosexuality. It's more like periodically, they'll have some homosexual intercourses.
As for the homophobia, maybe there are but we just haven't noticed ? It would be funny to check on, and I think we would have surprises just like people who think that animals aren't "racists" or wouldn't do wars.

First, it is morally wrong. Second, please tell me why you have to run around forcing everyone to know your sexual preference? We don't care! Keep it in your bedroom. Third, it's science: Men who are born men can not become women.

Also "men who are born men cannot become women"... I mean they can, but if they're men I don't know why they would want to? Also, do you not hear yourself? You somehow run headfirst into the point yet STILL miss it. "MEN who are born men cannot become women" duh. If you're a man who is born a man then your just a cis man. however, if you're a WOMAN who was born a man then yeah you very much can become a woman. Actually no, you already are a woman. Gender is a social construct anyway, identify as you wish. But come on now Loyddigby. You can't even do transphobia right. Get it together.

No they can't? A female can't produce any sperm as well as a male can't produce any egg..? They can only pretends to be so, physically, and yet most of them wouldn't really appear like the opposed gender in the end... Mentally speaking, they would still be different as well, and only act like the idea they have of the opposed gender, simply because the brain of a man and a woman don't work exactly the same way.
As for saying that men can be women and vice versa, it's pretty much like saying you can be a unicorn because human is a social construct. Denying biology doesn't lead anywhere, and certianly not to make people happier since you'll never be able to understand what's behind gender disphoria by denying anything that is not "social construct" to explain it partially or not.

First, it is morally wrong. Second, please tell me why you have to run around forcing everyone to know your sexual preference? We don't care! Keep it in your bedroom. Third, it's science: Men who are born men can not become women.

Ugh yes!!! the gays are very much forcing everyone to know their sexual preference, how horrible. I very much do not want to know if the pretty girl is queer. Does she like girls??? idk, I'm a girl??? could she like me??? jkjk unless

No, but in all seriousness, dude. The first thing you decide to tell on your profile is that you're a Christian. How do you not see the hypocrisy? You also say that you're married.... umm okay. I don't really want to know..... nobody really cares...... kEep It iN yoUR beDRoom.

Also "men who are born men cannot become women"... I mean they can, but if they're men I don't know why they would want to? Also, do you not hear yourself? You somehow run headfirst into the point yet STILL miss it. "MEN who are born men cannot become women" duh. If you're a man who is born a man then your just a cis man. however, if you're a WOMAN who was born a man then yeah you very much can become a woman. Actually no, you already are a woman. Gender is a social construct anyway, identify as you wish. But come on now Loyddigby. You can't even do transphobia right. Get it together.

No, you missed the point. Being gay is not your religion. I didn't tell everyone "I'm married to a woman." And I don't know what all of that other rambling was so I won't address it.

Homosexuality is found in 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. which is unnatural now? 😏

450 I don't know, but most of them don't seem to have a longstanding homosexuality. It's more like periodically, they'll have some homosexual intercourses.
As for the homophobia, maybe there are but we just haven't noticed ? It would be funny to check on, and I think we would have surprises just like people who think that animals aren't "racists" or wouldn't do wars.

Hii. I have researched about it and the studies say that the animal kingdom does not have homophobia. The only species that have homophobia is humans. here's the link

Dear young lady, it would be really better for you to deal with other issues than sexual misconduct. Adults have to grapple with these diseases. Princess Liliffee, jumping rope and swimming pool, everything that makes life worth living for children should be your focus. We can deal with these people who think they have to share their sexual behavior with the whole world.

Dear young lady, it would be really better for you to deal with other issues than sexual misconduct. Adults have to grapple with these diseases. Princess Liliffee, jumping rope and swimming pool, everything that makes life worth living for children should be your focus. We can deal with these people who think they have to share their sexual behavior with the whole world.

But we are the future of this world and we need you to realize that what you are thinking isn't making things fair sir. We should help them and not abuse them with these words. I know how you feel too but it isn't right. Please accept them and Please don't stop us from helping them

Dear young lady, it would be really better for you to deal with other issues than sexual misconduct. Adults have to grapple with these diseases. Princess Liliffee, jumping rope and swimming pool, everything that makes life worth living for children should be your focus. We can deal with these people who think they have to share their sexual behavior with the whole world.

Dear grown up sir,
Disease?! The LGBT aren't disease!! They're humans too!
And it is important that we know about the problem that the world is facing. I'm glad that I've been taught to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong from a very young age. And we have to help the world become a better place to live. The LGBT are humans too. They can't live peacefully if there's a riot going on against them. We are the future of this world and Princess Lillifee isn't going to help us in the future.

Excuse me sir, what do you mean by Princess Lillifee???

Dear young lady, it would be really better for you to deal with other issues than sexual misconduct. Adults have to grapple with these diseases. Princess Liliffee, jumping rope and swimming pool, everything that makes life worth living for children should be your focus. We can deal with these people who think they have to share their sexual behavior with the whole world.

So many very young human beings giving so many older ones lessons of science, logic, democracy and civilization.

Maybe the humankind will not become extinct.

Homosexuality is found in 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. which is unnatural now? 😏

450 I don't know, but most of them don't seem to have a longstanding homosexuality. It's more like periodically, they'll have some homosexual intercourses.
As for the homophobia, maybe there are but we just haven't noticed ? It would be funny to check on, and I think we would have surprises just like people who think that animals aren't "racists" or wouldn't do wars.

Hii. I have researched about it and the studies say that the animal kingdom does not have homophobia. The only species that have homophobia is humans. here's the link

I don't see anything but a claim in the article. It mostly consider homophobia inexistent based on the fact that homosexual relationship are widely spreaded and can last for long in monogamous species (which isn't an evidence of a bird being strictly homosexual either, but could be with further and probably not very ethic experiments to most of people here).

What I mean here is that not having seeing finding something, and not seeing it just like in human societies doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As an exampl of this, i'd argue that, for long, we believed to be the only one having a developped language, emotions, or even different cultures.

Maybe the humankind will not become extinct.

Sorry, but it will certainly goes extinct sooner than we think, uhuh.

Homosexuality is found in 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. which is unnatural now? 😏

450 I don't know, but most of them don't seem to have a longstanding homosexuality. It's more like periodically, they'll have some homosexual intercourses.
As for the homophobia, maybe there are but we just haven't noticed ? It would be funny to check on, and I think we would have surprises just like people who think that animals aren't "racists" or wouldn't do wars.

Hii. I have researched about it and the studies say that the animal kingdom does not have homophobia. The only species that have homophobia is humans. here's the link

I don't see anything but a claim in the article. It mostly consider homophobia inexistent based on the fact that homosexual relationship are widely spreaded and can last for long in monogamous species (which isn't an evidence of a bird being strictly homosexual either, but could be with further and probably not very ethic experiments to most of people here).

What I mean here is that not having seeing finding something, and not seeing it just like in human societies doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As an exampl of this, i'd argue that, for long, we believed to be the only one having a developped language, emotions, or even different cultures.

there's a claim in the article because studies have proven that homophobia exists in only one species. You can search it online if you need deeper explanations.
Uhh no, the last one is not true. Our ancestors certainly did know that animals had developed communications to connect, have emotions and had their own culture. It's been known for ages. Even in the BC years... The understanding of culture in other animals dates back to Aristotle in classical antiquity, and more recently to Charles Darwin says Wikipedia.

Homosexuality is found in 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. which is unnatural now? 😏

450 I don't know, but most of them don't seem to have a longstanding homosexuality. It's more like periodically, they'll have some homosexual intercourses.
As for the homophobia, maybe there are but we just haven't noticed ? It would be funny to check on, and I think we would have surprises just like people who think that animals aren't "racists" or wouldn't do wars.

Hii. I have researched about it and the studies say that the animal kingdom does not have homophobia. The only species that have homophobia is humans. here's the link

I don't see anything but a claim in the article. It mostly consider homophobia inexistent based on the fact that homosexual relationship are widely spreaded and can last for long in monogamous species (which isn't an evidence of a bird being strictly homosexual either, but could be with further and probably not very ethic experiments to most of people here).

What I mean here is that not having seeing finding something, and not seeing it just like in human societies doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As an exampl of this, i'd argue that, for long, we believed to be the only one having a developped language, emotions, or even different cultures.

there's a claim in the article because studies have proven that homophobia exists in only one species. You can search it online if you need deeper explanations.
Uhh no, the last one is not true. Our ancestors certainly did know that animals had developed communications to connect, have emotions and had their own culture. It's been known for ages. Even in the BC years... The understanding of culture in other animals dates back to Aristotle in classical antiquity, and more recently to Charles Darwin says Wikipedia.

There is a misunderstanding, science doesn't prove something not to exist because it simply is impossible to do such thing and I've seen no such think as proving that homophobia didn't exist in your article, not talking about a study since there is only one link concerning sheep and homosexuality (and sheep is also a special case since it's a breed that has been widely influenced by artificial selection).

Aristotle was arguing that language, alongside with logos, was peculiar to humans and believed language was articulated voice whereas animals were not allowed, because they only had phôné (although he granted a dialektos that is a bit different because it could change depending on education for some birds (and that's where you see how Aristotle was a very good observator)), to have any proper language. So not even talking about emotion or cultures -which would be needed to spread a language-, it wasn't really a trend for the Greeks.

Darwin might be one of the first to talk about language, and it's very recent in human history, but this person is a very good example to show my point because prior to Darwin & Wallace (often forgotten) with natural selection, or Lammarck, animals and humans were seen pretty much as being different entities and not as common as it's granted today (and yet, not by everybody).
Back to language, few years ago, it was still very hard to think that plants could also have a form of language or have some kind of stress whereas researches tend to show it more and more and it's still very very surprising. I say that because it was more or less the same shock back then.

For long we indeed have assumed that animals didn't have this or that on the basis that they aren't acting exactly like us, which is an anthropomorphic view and we made a while before realizing that it's not because an animal isn't whining or grumbling that there is nothing like sadness or being pissed with them for instance. On the same basis, without proper knwoledge, and especially without checking most if not all species, it's very hard to claim that homophobia simply doesn't exist out of our species while it's already hard enough to know if homosexuality like in our species properly exist or if it's just bisexuality, temporary homosexuality etc...

On this overly long comment to say almost nothing, i'd say that it's pretty much irrelevant to constantly bringing the animal kingdom to such debate. Call to nature is very much of a sophism here, be it to claim that some sexual behaviours are natural or not, because it's mostly wrong and/or an obvious cherry picking (infanticide, rape, necrophilia and a ton of very joyful behaviour are also widespread)

The fact that homosexuality being a part of different species is a point that get´s brought up in many discussions

Dear young lady, it would be really better for you to deal with other issues than sexual misconduct. Adults have to grapple with these diseases. Princess Liliffee, jumping rope and swimming pool, everything that makes life worth living for children should be your focus. We can deal with these people who think they have to share their sexual behavior with the whole world.

First: We are in the middle of a pandemic, the things a TEENAGER should be able to do like socialisiesung isn´t possible at the moment
Second: it is good to inform themself of topics such fundenmental like sexualitie early on and building their own opinion is very important

And i think you are at the wrong age group with princess lilifee

Dear young lady, it would be really better for you to deal with other issues than sexual misconduct. Adults have to grapple with these diseases. Princess Liliffee, jumping rope and swimming pool, everything that makes life worth living for children should be your focus. We can deal with these people who think they have to share their sexual behavior with the whole world.

First: We are in the middle of a pandemic, the things a TEENAGER should be able to do like socialisiesung isn´t possible at the moment
Second: it is good to inform themself of topics such fundenmental like sexualitie early on and building their own opinion is very important

And i think you are at the wrong age group with princess lilifee

I agree with you!

In many countries around the world, homosexuality is a criminal offense. In some countries there is even the death penalty.

But there are different countries with different laws on our planet. Just because one country does it, does not mean it is right. Apperantly less than 60 countries have a death penalty in general, and apperantly less than 80 countries have anti-LGBTQ laws. Those numbers both are less than half the countries this planet has. So they are not even the majority.

I don't want to tell you what homosexuals do because children are reading along, but it's very disgusting!

I obviously do not know what you define as "very disgusting". If you mean living their normal lives in public just like heterosexuals, that is not understandable for me, since I do not see any reason why a person should be limited in their freedom because of their sexuality.
If you meant to generalize homosexual people to be criminals I would like to remind you, that "homosexuals" are as diverse as "teenagers", "adults", "vegans", "omnivores", "women", "men" and all the other groups you could possibly split our society up into.

Die Mädchen müssen ihrer vornehmsten Berufung, der Mutterschaft entgegengeführt werden und zu Opferbereitschaft und Verzicht erzogen werden. Sie sind die Lebensader der Volksgemeinschaft.

Sadly for you women stood up for themselves and their rights 60 years ago. Now they are allowed to live a life without children, go to work and get rich. Women are no machines meant to produce children, they are human beings just like men. And just as men are not forced and pressured to become fathers, women should also not be forced and pressured to become mothers. Which has nothing to do with this entire discussion by the way.

Dear Mohita, you are a 14 year old Indian girl. I don't know where you got that stuff from but ask your mother what she would say if you decided to become a lesbian as soon as you grew up.

Children do not have to blindly copy their parents opinions. I did not and I am very happy with it.
Also noone "becomes" a homosexual person. People are born that way. And people have been born that way 100 years ago too, they just were unable to live a life they should have lived because society hated them.
It does not matter how often and long you tell your child that it is a heterosexual cisgender person, it will not change who it is. It might live its life as a heterosexual cisgender person but that does not mean that it also is one. What you achive by scaring your child from coming out is, that you either destroy your relationship with it, or you destroy your childs life. Any maybe you even manage to do both.

You know homosexual men do really disgusting things with their butts.

I suppose this is the answer to the question I had earlier. Whether something is "disgusting" is usually debatable. People find mice, rats, spiders, mud, dust, mushrooms and so much more disgusting. Everyone has their own thing.
You said it would be okay for you to have homosexuals do whatever they want at home, and I do not think many people do "disgusting" things with their butts in public. Which leads me to the assumption, that you are for some reason watching or reading things about it. Most people avoid disgusting things and I would advice you to do the same.

Der Unterricht in den Schulen ist inzwischen so einseitig daß es Schüler gar nicht mehr für möglich halten daß man Homosexualität nicht akzeptiert.

I have been to school for 11 years now, since 2010 and I do not remember any teacher mentioning any form of different sexuality. So, what are you talking about?

Being gay is not your religion. I didn't tell everyone "I'm married to a woman."

I obviously do not know what kind of people you have met in your life, but I have never ever seen anyone who mentioned their sexuality for no reason at all. I would assume that most people keep it to themselves until there is an actual reason to mention it, whatever that reason would be.

Dear young lady, it would be really better for you to deal with other issues than sexual misconduct. Princess Liliffee, jumping rope and swimming pool, everything that makes life worth living for children should be your focus.

This is called "argumentum ad hominem" and has no worth in any discussion.

Adults have to grapple with these diseases. We can deal with these people who think they have to share their sexual behavior with the whole world.

No obviously you cannot. Because as you might have noticed there are at least 5 people here who disagree with you. That means that they dislike your opinion. That means that they do not want you to deal with it, because you are dealing with it the wrong way in their opinion. So you might want to consider stopping your arrogant behavior and start using actual arguments instead.

And now I will just go with your so called "diseases". Homosexuality would be a not curable disease in this case, just like ALS (even though ALS is so much worse obviously). Just like people with ALS homosexual people would have to live with it, since there is no cure. They will suffer from it their entire life. So... What you are saying is that you want to punish people who have a disease, by limiting their freedom even more? They can only live a life as far as their disease allows them to, and you want to make it even harder for them? They can only get together with people, who suffer from the same problem and you want to keep them apart and make their lives even worse? They already have an uncurable disease and you want to make it even harder for them?
And you want to do so because you do not like to see two men kissing? You want to limit their freedom because you think it is disgusting what a disease makes them do?
Well what if I do not like people without legs, who are in wheelchairs or wearing prosthesises? Should they all have to stay at home because I do not want my child to see what the cruel world does sometimes?

You should be more careful with the words you are using and start thinking about your opinion. Either it is a disease and you want to punish someone for something that is not their fault, or it is not a disease and you are simply discriminating people for being who they are even though they are totally healthy.

Excuse me sir, what do you mean by Princess Lillifee???

Princess Lillifee is a pink fairy living in a more or less pink world. She mainly is something for children, who are less than 10 years old.

Oh, and just some teeny tiny request at the end of this. If you are going to respond to this please do so by having an actual argument. If you are just going to repeat your opinion over and over again or use stupid arguments (argumentum ad hominem...) please just keep it to yourself. I would like you to respond in a way that adds something to this conversation, so I can have something to respond to too. It is not really helpful for anything to argue against the same arguments twice or more often.

In many countries around the world, homosexuality is a criminal offense. In some countries there is even the death penalty.

But there are different countries with different laws on our planet. Just because one country does it, does not mean it is right. Apperantly less than 60 countries have a death penalty in general, and apperantly less than 80 countries have anti-LGBTQ laws. Those numbers both are less than half the countries this planet has. So they are not even the majority.

I don't want to tell you what homosexuals do because children are reading along, but it's very disgusting!

I obviously do not know what you define as "very disgusting". If you mean living their normal lives in public just like heterosexuals, that is not understandable for me, since I do not see any reason why a person should be limited in their freedom because of their sexuality.
If you meant to generalize homosexual people to be criminals I would like to remind you, that "homosexuals" are as diverse as "teenagers", "adults", "vegans", "omnivores", "women", "men" and all the other groups you could possibly split our society up into.

Die Mädchen müssen ihrer vornehmsten Berufung, der Mutterschaft entgegengeführt werden und zu Opferbereitschaft und Verzicht erzogen werden. Sie sind die Lebensader der Volksgemeinschaft.

Sadly for you women stood up for themselves and their rights 60 years ago. Now they are allowed to live a life without children, go to work and get rich. Women are no machines meant to produce children, they are human beings just like men. And just as men are not forced and pressured to become fathers, women should also not be forced and pressured to become mothers. Which has nothing to do with this entire discussion by the way.

Dear Mohita, you are a 14 year old Indian girl. I don't know where you got that stuff from but ask your mother what she would say if you decided to become a lesbian as soon as you grew up.

Children do not have to blindly copy their parents opinions. I did not and I am very happy with it.
Also noone "becomes" a homosexual person. People are born that way. And people have been born that way 100 years ago too, they just were unable to live a life they should have lived because society hated them.
It does not matter how often and long you tell your child that it is a heterosexual cisgender person, it will not change who it is. It might live its life as a heterosexual cisgender person but that does not mean that it also is one. What you achive by scaring your child from coming out is, that you either destroy your relationship with it, or you destroy your childs life. Any maybe you even manage to do both.

You know homosexual men do really disgusting things with their butts.

I suppose this is the answer to the question I had earlier. Whether something is "disgusting" is usually debatable. People find mice, rats, spiders, mud, dust, mushrooms and so much more disgusting. Everyone has their own thing.
You said it would be okay for you to have homosexuals do whatever they want at home, and I do not think many people do "disgusting" things with their butts in public. Which leads me to the assumption, that you are for some reason watching or reading things about it. Most people avoid disgusting things and I would advice you to do the same.

Der Unterricht in den Schulen ist inzwischen so einseitig daß es Schüler gar nicht mehr für möglich halten daß man Homosexualität nicht akzeptiert.

I have been to school for 11 years now, since 2010 and I do not remember any teacher mentioning any form of different sexuality. So, what are you talking about?

Being gay is not your religion. I didn't tell everyone "I'm married to a woman."

I obviously do not know what kind of people you have met in your life, but I have never ever seen anyone who mentioned their sexuality for no reason at all. I would assume that most people keep it to themselves until there is an actual reason to mention it, whatever that reason would be.

Dear young lady, it would be really better for you to deal with other issues than sexual misconduct. Princess Liliffee, jumping rope and swimming pool, everything that makes life worth living for children should be your focus.

This is called "argumentum ad hominem" and has no worth in any discussion.

Adults have to grapple with these diseases. We can deal with these people who think they have to share their sexual behavior with the whole world.

No obviously you cannot. Because as you might have noticed there are at least 5 people here who disagree with you. That means that they dislike your opinion. That means that they do not want you to deal with it, because you are dealing with it the wrong way in their opinion. So you might want to consider stopping your arrogant behavior and start using actual arguments instead.

And now I will just go with your so called "diseases". Homosexuality would be a not curable disease in this case, just like ALS (even though ALS is so much worse obviously). Just like people with ALS homosexual people would have to live with it, since there is no cure. They will suffer from it their entire life. So... What you are saying is that you want to punish people who have a disease, by limiting their freedom even more? They can only live a life as far as their disease allows them to, and you want to make it even harder for them? They can only get together with people, who suffer from the same problem and you want to keep them apart and make their lives even worse? They already have an uncurable disease and you want to make it even harder for them?
And you want to do so because you do not like to see two men kissing? You want to limit their freedom because you think it is disgusting what a disease makes them do?
Well what if I do not like people without legs, who are in wheelchairs or wearing prosthesises? Should they all have to stay at home because I do not want my child to see what the cruel world does sometimes?

You should be more careful with the words you are using and start thinking about your opinion. Either it is a disease and you want to punish someone for something that is not their fault, or it is not a disease and you are simply discriminating people for being who they are even though they are totally healthy.

Excuse me sir, what do you mean by Princess Lillifee???

Princess Lillifee is a pink fairy living in a more or less pink world. She mainly is something for children, who are less than 10 years old.

Oh, and just some teeny tiny request at the end of this. If you are going to respond to this please do so by having an actual argument. If you are just going to repeat your opinion over and over again or use stupid arguments (argumentum ad hominem...) please just keep it to yourself. I would like you to respond in a way that adds something to this conversation, so I can have something to respond to too. It is not really helpful for anything to argue against the same arguments twice or more often.

Thanks, you spoke out of my soul with these words

And now I will just go with your so called "diseases". Homosexuality would be a not curable disease in this case, just like ALS (even though ALS is so much worse obviously). Just like people with ALS homosexual people would have to live with it, since there is no cure. They will suffer from it their entire life.

Admitting it would be a disease, then we would have to know why : How is it negatively affecting the individual? By not getting children? Then being a monk or a none is pretty much of a disease? Then even passing this point, if it's a genetic condition that cannot be changed through medication, there would still be a solution, but I'm not sure that people are ready to go back to try eugenism and all the ethic issues it might cause. Still if it's genetic, then we would have a serious issue to call something a disease stricto sensu, because like I said in one of my first post here, the genes implied could be very useful to us.

Else, I agree that punishing someone presumably sick for "being sick" is in contradiction with all the rambling about the immorality or the mean behaviour homosexuality would be. There is no coherence in such discourse.