🤷‍♀️🧙‍♂️ True or false? 🙄❓

1️⃣ Zoos should be banned because animals are often hurt and do not have normal space and things they need like in nature.

In France, we have different way to differentiate "zoos" from some zoological parks. If you put everything with an enclosure in the same basket, then I would just say that this is very restrictive. Some areas have awful animal management, are only concrete with mistreated/undernourrished animals and those should definitely get closed and the responsible for that face the legal consequences of their actions. I remember I saw such parks in news, from Thailand, Indonesia and some alike countries that were the most extreme cases of mistreatments.

Now, you have the other edge of the spectrum, which are larger parks with half-free animals. One of the first of that genre in France was close to my house, in Branféré, where a couple of people brought back animals to their castle and tried to let animals roam as much as possible. Nowadays, you still have wallabies in the middle of tourists there.
Since then, the system developped quite a bit: Animals that can be put together are put together in large enclosure that let them move and run. There are ethologist hired to study the behaviour of each species, their personality, their habitat, and give the owner of the parks valuable suggestion like plant to install or not, if a pool is needed, what should be included or not in the enclosure, if individuals should be separated from each others (liek to avoid fights) etc. THey also think of activities and "games" to distract animals and avoid mental troubles/depression as much as possible, but also spaces preserved from tourists when animals need to chill down.

In addition, there is a legal framing with the importation of wild animals being forbidden in many cases, if not all. There are veterinaries to take care of the health of each individuals.

Something very much in favour of this kind of "zoos" is that they act as sanctuaries for extincted/threatened species. China breeds pandas for example, but that can be needed for other species as well, and some programs work on releasing animals in the wild. There is such a thing in Europe at very least. Those parks often have an aim to educate the public as well. Typically in Branféré where many things started in France, there are aducational activities as well to make the children know about the problems facing by biodiversity.

To sum up : This is a very difficult question. While there are terrible institutions and those should probably be closed for ethical/moral reasons at least (but probably for sanitary reasons as well), but there are also some parks that, while not providing full freedom to animals, are doing their best to offer a compromise between showing animals to people and acting as a conservation and educational center. Many people call everything as "zoos" despite having differences between sanctuaries, zoological park, wildlife parks etc.

2️⃣ Leaders of a country should have one tv interview in the week to answer questions from normal people.

In morals and ethics, most of the politicians are voids. Who would like to gaze into a void resembling a dark mouth telling tantalazing stories? 🙂

Thank you very much @Lianshen, @diogenes_cask and @LandRoverDiscovery2 🏆🥇🥰🥰

It is very nice that you took much time @Lianshen to explain and i understand that there is a super big difference. But a lot of zoos are not the special centres or the concrete parks but in between. And i understand that on the one hand it is important to show people and for education. But it is impossible to know if the animals are happy there or would prefer to be in the wild. 🙄🙄

And I have an update about this question:

2️⃣ IT and computers should be AT LEAST as important in school as for example math, history and languages.

We have to read the news EVERY week for society class bc ANYTHING can be discussed. And today i was reading it for this week and i saw a message on the Dutch news that said this:

"Children on primary and middle schools in the Chinese capital Beijing will get from the next school year lessons about artificial intelligence (AI). The education plan is of China's ambition to become one of the biggest players in the field of this technology.

Schools in Beijing give AI-lessons minimal 8 hours per schoolyear. The schools decide themselves if they give separate lessons or integrate, for example in subjects like IT or physics.

The Chinese education minister Huai Jinpeng said earlier this week that the government will come with plans for AI-education this year. He sees in AI big changes for the education.

The Chinese AI-sector came earlier this year in the news by the launching of an AI-model by the start-up DeepSeek. The technology of the Chinese company would be at least as good as that of the bigger competitions like OpenAI and would cost less to train and develop."

I translated from this Dutch news site and I did not check on other Chinese or English sites the news so if the news is wrong I am sorry: https://www.nu.nl/economie/6348540/kinderen-in-peking-krijgen-vanaf-nieuw-schooljaar-les-over-ai.html

Now my question is NOTTTT about China but about schools in other countries (like for example in Europe): do we ALSO need to do that. It is not a lot 8 hours per year and if you dont do it than maybe we will become super bad in the technology (or not as good as countries who do that).

For today i am VERY curious what people will say!!! So after the above post about the zoo and AI questions, I want to test something SUPER DIFFERENT!!! 😛 😛

These are the two statements for today:

1️⃣ All guys should feel at least ONE DAY in the whole life how it is to be pregnant and give birth so they understand.

2️⃣ The best movies are the movies that make you cry.

I am really curious what you think!! 🙄🙄 Do you think the statements are true ✅ or false ❌

It is very nice that you took much time @Lianshen to explain and i understand that there is a super big difference. But a lot of zoos are not the special centres or the concrete parks but in between. And i understand that on the one hand it is important to show people and for education. But it is impossible to know if the animals are happy there or would prefer to be in the wild. 🙄🙄

Yes, often, there is a gradient/spectrum in how "zoos" are managed; I took some caricatural examples because it shows how zoos can be terrible or quite beneficial according to a given goal.

It is already difficult to tell if your neighbour or your family member is happy, so let's forget about such dream when it comes to others species. What you can do however is to do your best to offer the optimal conditions to captive individuals in a zoo; to take care of their welfare. That's where ethologist play a crucial role, in which they observe animals/individuals and, with caretakers or team of the zoo, make the enclosure the most confortable possible by rearranging the enclosure, providing adequate food, various activities etc., to make animals behave as natural as possible (like in the wild).

Sure enough though, there is a long way to go before most of the zoos get nearly as good as the top ones.

1️⃣ All guys should feel at least ONE DAY in the whole life how it is to be pregnant and give birth so they understand.

What would be the purpose of that? This kind of implies that men have it easier than women overall since they don't go through this experience. I'm not sure it's healthy to systematically oppose males/females, but if we go this route maybe it would also be nice for women to sign up as a dude on a dating app to get a grasp of the typical male experience 😛

Yes, often, there is a gradient/spectrum in how "zoos" are managed; I took some caricatural examples because it shows how zoos can be terrible or quite beneficial according to a given goal.

It is already difficult to tell if your neighbour or your family member is happy, so let's forget about such dream when it comes to others species. What you can do however is to do your best to offer the optimal conditions to captive individuals in a zoo; to take care of their welfare. That's where ethologist play a crucial role, in which they observe animals/individuals and, with caretakers or team of the zoo, make the enclosure the most confortable possible by rearranging the enclosure, providing adequate food, various activities etc., to make animals behave as natural as possible (like in the wild).

Sure enough though, there is a long way to go before most of the zoos get nearly as good as the top ones.

Thank you very much @Lianshen and i think that you are right about everything that you said!! I think that in my country the zoos really try their best at least in Artis in Amsterdam and Blijdorp in Rotterdam. They really try to make it as normal as possible for the animals. I have not been to zoos and the conservation centres you said in other countries. Which do you like the most from all in the world that you visited?

What would be the purpose of that? This kind of implies that men have it easier than women overall since they don't go through this experience. I'm not sure it's healthy to systematically oppose males/females, but if we go this route maybe it would also be nice for women to sign up as a dude on a dating app to get a grasp of the typical male experience 😛

I just saw it online and i thought it was a funny statement to test it!! 😛 Because most of the times we have serious statements so this time i wanted smt that is not super serious!! 😃 And you have maybe another test than the dating app? Maybe if you are one day pregnant and give birth i will watch a sport that you like and smell coffee!! 😛 😛 Is it a good deal? 🙂

I just saw it online and i thought it was a funny statement to test it!! 😛 Because most of the times we have serious statements so this time i wanted smt that is not super serious!! 😃 And you have maybe another test than the dating app? Maybe if you are one day pregnant and give birth i will watch a sport that you like and smell coffee!! 😛 😛 Is it a good deal? 🙂

I don't watch sports so we would end up enduring the same amount of pain 😛

I don't watch sports so we would end up enduring the same amount of pain 😛

hahah so you mean watching sports is like giving a baby birth or you mean if we both watch sport it hurts the same? 😛

my dad likes car racing A LOTTTT but we tell him that it is NOT A SPORT!!!! they just ride the same rounds in the same car. we dont mean it but we tell him that just to joke. 🙂 and he says that he doesnt understand ballet bc he says that he does not pretend to be a butterfly as a human and that it does not make sense. but he also doesnt mean it i think!! 😝😛😋

Hello everybody! 🙋‍♀️ I have two new statements for today!! 🙂 I am curious what you think of them:

1️⃣ Parents should never hit their children (also not to correct mistakes).

2️⃣ History often repeats itself is NOTTT only a quote but is true.

What do you think of the statements? 🙄🙄 Do you think the statements are true ✅ or false ❌

2️⃣ History often repeats itself is NOTTT only a quote but is true.

It's not the history repeating itself, it's us repeating the same mistakes at dreadful costs. History just keep accounts for the costs humanity has paid in a long span of time.

2️⃣ History often repeats itself is NOTTT only a quote but is true.

It's not the history repeating itself, it's us repeating the same mistakes at dreadful costs. History just keep accounts for the costs humanity has paid in a long span of time.

That is true!!! Sorry i forgot to tag you because i thought that maybe you would like that statement. 🙂

But people also repeat good things that happened in history and not only bad. But often bad things are bigger than the good things (for example wars) so people feel more of it than good things that are repeated. I am not sure if that is true but maybe it is. 🙄🙄

Hello everybody! 🙋‍♀️ We had last week a topic in our society class in school about ALLOWING death. So i decided to copy the statements and ask what you think. In our class some arguments were super tensed of people in my class. So i ask if everybody can respect what other people write even if it is different what maybe you think about it. But you can agree or disagree of course and that is not a problem!! 🙂

These are the two statements:

1️⃣ Abortion should be allowed during pregnancy if the doctors say so.

2️⃣ Euthanesia should be allowed if that is the wish of the person and the doctors agree.

I am curious what you think about the statements!! 🙄🙄 And I am sorry if it is a topic that is super difficult for somebody because i dont want to offend a person or upset anybody.

Do you think the statements are true ✅ or false ❌

PS: I will write later what i think but i first want to read what others think about the statements. Thank you very much!! 🙏🙏

Hello everybody! 🙋‍♀️ We had last week a topic in our society class in school about ALLOWING death. So i decided to copy the statements and ask what you think. In our class some arguments were super tensed of people in my class. So i ask if everybody can respect what other people write even if it is different what maybe you think about it. But you can agree or disagree of course and that is not a problem!! 🙂

These are the two statements:

1️⃣ Abortion should be allowed during pregnancy if the doctors say so.

2️⃣ Euthanesia should be allowed if that is the wish of the person and the doctors agree.

I am curious what you think about the statements!! 🙄🙄 And I am sorry if it is a topic that is super difficult for somebody because i dont want to offend a person or upset anybody.

Do you think the statements are true ✅ or false ❌

PS: I will write later what i think but i first want to read what others think about the statements. Thank you very much!! 🙏🙏

Yes and yes

Yes and yes

I also think that BUTTT only if the doctor says it is still possible. So for example abortion is allowed if it is early but normally not if you are super late in the pregnancy (it is dangerous and also to protect the baby if it can almost be born). ANDDD i think that an abortion CANNOT be against the woman if she decides to keep the baby. So I dont believe in forced abortion. Of course I know the reasons against abortion, but it can also be for example that she got pregnant with a crime and i think if it is early it can be allowed.

For euthanesia i think it should be allowed if there is a doctor who agrees with it. So there must be a good reason like A LOTTT of pain or other things that are really bad. And you cant force a doctor to do euthanesia unless he agrees.

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1️⃣ Abortion should be allowed during pregnancy if the doctors say so.

Up until recently I was in favor of abortion in pretty much all situations. My opinion has shifted for the following reasons.

1) the first argument "my body my choice" is fallacious, as it's not about the mother's body but the baby's body which happens to be inside of the woman:

- You don't abort because you don't want to be pregnant, you abort because you don't want to have to take care of the baby after it's born

- I don't believe a mother should have exclusive ownership over this new person's existence, just like if you have me over at your house you can't do whatever you want with my body, or just like you wouldn't dispose of your own pet.

2) the second argument "you can't kill someone who was never born": there is truth to this, but the main concern behind this is when do we draw the line? We know that a 8 month old fetus is viable and has everything necessary to live a normal life. Is it 4 months? Is it 3 weeks? Is it 7.5 months? If we collectively consider abortion to be morally acceptable, then I think this limit should be very low out of caution.

3) there is something fundamentally morbid about mothers wanting to dispose of their own offspring, this breaks the circle of life with a dark celebration of the end of our own legacy. I know today is all about individual freedom and choices, that everyone is a unique gem in this world and shouldn't bear the burden of responsibility in life because it's an oppressing pattern or whatever, but this seems very short sighted and quite childish to be honest.

4) Limiting babies isn't not just a personal choice without consequences: demography is sharply dropping in developed countries and we are facing very serious problems For instance, the birth rate in South Korea is currently 0.78 and keeps on dropping. In just 3 generations, we can expect the population to decline by... 94%. Obviously this issue goes way beyond the abortion topic, but developed nations need to have more babies if they don't want to completely disappear soon. It is a very real and imminent threat, I would argue even more so than global warming.

In conclusion, I'm technically not opposed to abortion but it should not be celebrated and should be under very strict rules.

2️⃣ Euthanasia should be allowed if that is the wish of the person and the doctors agree.

I'll keep it much shorter for this one 😃 : If you're about to die and you're suffering (serious accident, terminal cancer, etc...) I guess so

Thank you very much both @Fleurke and @Etienne. First of all i want to say i respect that Fleurke does not want to comment. 🙏🙏

And @Etienne is right about things but he also shows why it is super difficult. When we spoke in the class about it i thought like ok super easy: the answer is YES (both times). Because i thought about if you are raped and you are also 13 or older can they FORCE you to keep the baby? And i think the answer is no. Even though i personally could NOT abort bc it does not feel right. But i can understand others if they say that they would abort and if they are a victim. And with euthanesia i thought about a person who has for example pains which are SEVERE and dont go away and they only keep him alive but he does not REALLY have a life.

BUTTT it is more difficult if for example someone gets pregnant and they just abort. And others said it can happen even MORE times that somebody aborts bc they are not careful and NOT because they are a victim. So in that case it is maybe not right that they can just do that. And i understand the argument for the baby BUTTT also in some cases if they have a mother like that who just does not care it may even be more terrible. So in that case it may be better that they dont get a baby. But of course you dont know what they baby would want if it was born. 🙄🙄🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

And there are also religious reasons for others. And people spoke about those reasons it got a bit too tensed and stressy and i really became like 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 That is also because i really dont know anymore if there is only ONE rule if you allow abortion or NOT at all. So now i think the doctor should decide it if he agrees that it is the best. But i have no idea how he must do make that decision.

Sorry that i write in a confusing way but i just really dont know anymore what is the best for the pregnant girl (and maybe she is a victim!!) and the baby.