🤷‍♀️🧙‍♂️ True or false? 🙄❓

In France you can't really go to a random doctor, they need to accept you as a patient and they're all completely full. Yes if something serious happens to you you can always go to the hospital, but the wait time is ridiculously long (last year the national average was 4.5 hours). The system is just as broken as it is outrageously expensive

That is scary because if you need a doctor in a hospital and they just say: ok but you have to wait 4.5 hours that can be really dangerous!! I think in my country you can just go to the doctor in most places and also for example a specialist is not really a problem. But i have no idea if it is expensive or not. 🙄🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

That is scary because if you need a doctor in a hospital and they just say: ok but you have to wait 4.5 hours that can be really dangerous!! I think in my country you can just go to the doctor in most places and also for example a specialist is not really a problem. But i have no idea if it is expensive or not. 🙄🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Yes you're right. We often heat of horror stories where people die in the hallways of hospitals while waiting for care. It's terrible. I'm not familiar with the Dutch system but I would assume it's socialist too

Can I ask a question: so if you have to go to a doctor for things that are not super serious ORRR if you have for example an accident and you have to go to the hospital how far is it from where you live? 🙄🙄

I think you could add 3 things to what Etienne already said:

- The problem is spreading ot other places as well. In Germany, I had to do a few doctors before being checked. The difficulty to find a doctor is also variable. For instance, it is nearly impossible to find it in some countrysides and even some hospitals are closing, making the distance greater to find a medical service.

- Some people go to the emergencies (the place Etienne mentionned when you have no doctor) for almost nothing. There are people who cut their finger supercially or have a cold there in the middle of people who are dying. There are also many troublemakers coming to disturb the service. A few years ago - I don't know if it's still a thing - You had old people going to the doctor almost once a week or something while not always useful; maybe for keeping a social contact or something, which also contributed to the problem.

- The response of France towards the problems it faces in healthcare is to cut budget and close beds. They already got a lot of problems with that ideology when the covid appeared, but kept closing beds and cutting budget after.

I disagree with the part saying that it is outrageously expensive. It used to work quite well, but abuse and bad decisions just destroyed everything. To be more precise, it's outrageously expensive as it is, for such poor results. However, I suspect it to be in favour of private clinics and make people pay more and more.

I disagree with the part saying that it is outrageously expensive. It used to work quite well, but abuse and bad decisions just destroyed everything. To be more precise, it's outrageously expensive as it is, for such poor results.

It looks like you "disagree" only to follow with an explanation showing that you agree 😛. Yes I was talking about the current state, it definitely used to work better. If you don't contribute to society it's still a godsend though because it's completely free, even to random foreigners, at the expensive of a relative minority who have to shoulder the burden. This is why it is unfair to be forced to pay high taxes only to get absolutely nothing in return, especially to those who live outside big cities like me (spoiler: I moved out of Versailles years ago and never updated the location on my profile 😸️)

I thought that Versailles was only the huge palace!!! But it is also a big city? 🙄🙄 And i think what @Lianshen described that there are for example A LOTTT of people who dont really have problems maybe i think that is a mistake from the hospital too. Because if you go to emergency in my country you have to go to the reception. And they check what your problem is. So if it is super urgent and important you MUST get first. And if it is not really serious they will send you away and you have to go to your normal doctor for small problems. So maybe they can do the same in France. 🙂

I thought that Versailles was only the huge palace!!! But it is also a big city? 🙄🙄 And i think what @Lianshen described that there are for example A LOTTT of people who dont really have problems maybe i think that is a mistake from the hospital too. Because if you go to emergency in my country you have to go to the reception. And they check what your problem is. So if it is super urgent and important you MUST get first. And if it is not really serious they will send you away and you have to go to your normal doctor for small problems. So maybe they can do the same in France. 🙂

If you want people not to spend the public money stupidly in France, you have to fine them, and even that might not deter all of them.

If you want people not to spend the public money stupidly in France, you have to fine them, and even that might not deter all of them.

Or that you quickly send them away at the reception of the hospital if they come for an emergency and it is not serious. I think that works too maybe. 🙄🙄

Or that you quickly send them away at the reception of the hospital if they come for an emergency and it is not serious. I think that works too maybe. 🙄🙄

People would just come back repeatedly to try their luck or make the staff waste their time trying to bargain/lie about the severity of their problems until they bypass the rules. Really, as long as it doesn't concern the wallet of a part of the French people (probably some other cultures as well), then they will not do anything.

People would just come back repeatedly to try their luck or make the staff waste their time trying to bargain/lie about the severity of their problems until they bypass the rules. Really, as long as it doesn't concern the wallet of a part of the French people (probably some other cultures as well), then they will not do anything.

Yeah, that's a common one; hit them in their wallet and you get what you want most of the times. Tho some traffic fines skyrocketed 🙄

Hello everybody! 🙋‍♀️

For this weekend i have two new statements for this forum and I am curious what you think about it:

1️⃣ The import of cheap things that you can buy online should be reduced A LOTTTT!!

2️⃣ IT and computers should be AT LEAST as important in school as for example math, history and languages.

I think the first statement is true because of the environment and it is unnecessary to buy a lot of things that are often just of plastic or low qualities. We try not to buy too many things online and we know it is super easy but there is no space in our house and we dont need it most of the times. And the second statement is maybe true, BUTTTT that is also for practical skills (i dont mean crafts but for example how to make a CV or about taxes and other stuff), society class and other topics which may not always be discussed in classes in schools. So it is important to make choices too bc you cant have classes until the evening!!! 😛

What do you think about the statements? 🙄🙄 True ✅ or false ❌ ?

True for both 😄

1️⃣ The import of cheap things that you can buy online should be reduced A LOTTTT!!

What do you mean by "should"? If you mean morally speaking, yes sure, too much crap is made/sold/bought/discarded every day. If you mean there should be a law preventing people from freely using their money, definitely not, freedom of choice/property is fundamental. Moreover, whether it's online or in store doesn't change anything in my opinion

2️⃣ IT and computers should be AT LEAST as important in school as for example math, history and languages.

I'm not sure, people our generation all know how to use websites and computers. You don't need to know the inner workings of a computer to use it, just like you don't need to know automobile engineering to drive a car. If you're interested, sure, but I can't think of a general course that everyone would benefit from

1️⃣ The import of cheap things that you can buy online should be reduced A LOTTTT!!

From your own answer, I guess you meant the quality to be cheap? And you wouldlike to reduce it mostly for environmental concern?
In this case, I guess I agree with your statement. However, in Europe, the quality of the items produced locally is often reasonable, so one solution for that would be to deter the consumer by raising the price on imports from "cheap" countries for instance; in order to either make their items uninteresting (because they would be as expensive as local ones; but with bad quality), or force them to produce something qualitative.

2️⃣ IT and computers should be AT LEAST as important in school as for example math, history and languages.

Probably not. It seems that younger generations are not as good as using computers as our generations, but making it as important as maths or language is just a waste of time and teaching children to depends on technology too much. You don't need a computer in most of your daily tasks, and learning how to use Word or Excel is fairly easy and quick for most of use someone will make out of it.

Thank you very much @Etienne and @Lianshen for your answers!! 😛 And about question 2 i did not mean like for example how computers work from the inside but for example that you learn to use AI and other things which are maybe super useful with ANYYY job later. Because if you dont do that maybe other countries are better in it and people can loose jobs here. So maybe we can get it in school too BUTTTTT i think our teachers know LESS than us about it!!! 😛 So we can teach THEM first about it!! 🙂 I watched the full series about AI that i wrote about in the AI forum and it was really nice. But I agree that you also need normal subjects like math and history and languages but it can be an extra subject that you can choose or that everybody has to do. 🙂

And I have two new statements I want to test what everybody thinks:

1️⃣ Zoos should be banned because animals are often hurt and do not have normal space and things they need like in nature.

2️⃣ Leaders of a country should have one tv interview in the week to answer questions from normal people.

What do you think about the statements? 🙄🙄 True ✅ or false ❌

PS: I am not sure yet about the first statement but i think the second statement is true. 🙂 I can interview them for the PPG forum!! 😛 😛

1️⃣ Zoos should be banned because animals are often hurt and do not have normal space and things they need like in nature.

In France, we have different way to differentiate "zoos" from some zoological parks. If you put everything with an enclosure in the same basket, then I would just say that this is very restrictive. Some areas have awful animal management, are only concrete with mistreated/undernourrished animals and those should definitely get closed and the responsible for that face the legal consequences of their actions. I remember I saw such parks in news, from Thailand, Indonesia and some alike countries that were the most extreme cases of mistreatments.

Now, you have the other edge of the spectrum, which are larger parks with half-free animals. One of the first of that genre in France was close to my house, in Branféré, where a couple of people brought back animals to their castle and tried to let animals roam as much as possible. Nowadays, you still have wallabies in the middle of tourists there.
Since then, the system developped quite a bit: Animals that can be put together are put together in large enclosure that let them move and run. There are ethologist hired to study the behaviour of each species, their personality, their habitat, and give the owner of the parks valuable suggestion like plant to install or not, if a pool is needed, what should be included or not in the enclosure, if individuals should be separated from each others (liek to avoid fights) etc. THey also think of activities and "games" to distract animals and avoid mental troubles/depression as much as possible, but also spaces preserved from tourists when animals need to chill down.

In addition, there is a legal framing with the importation of wild animals being forbidden in many cases, if not all. There are veterinaries to take care of the health of each individuals.

Something very much in favour of this kind of "zoos" is that they act as sanctuaries for extincted/threatened species. China breeds pandas for example, but that can be needed for other species as well, and some programs work on releasing animals in the wild. There is such a thing in Europe at very least. Those parks often have an aim to educate the public as well. Typically in Branféré where many things started in France, there are aducational activities as well to make the children know about the problems facing by biodiversity.

To sum up : This is a very difficult question. While there are terrible institutions and those should probably be closed for ethical/moral reasons at least (but probably for sanitary reasons as well), but there are also some parks that, while not providing full freedom to animals, are doing their best to offer a compromise between showing animals to people and acting as a conservation and educational center. Many people call everything as "zoos" despite having differences between sanctuaries, zoological park, wildlife parks etc.

2️⃣ Leaders of a country should have one tv interview in the week to answer questions from normal people.

In morals and ethics, most of the politicians are voids. Who would like to gaze into a void resembling a dark mouth telling tantalazing stories? 🙂

Hello everybody! 🙋‍♀️

It is time for a new daily forum! 🙂 Every day people can post statements and you can write if you believe it is true ✅ or false ❌!

If you like to reply perhaps you can say about what statement you react! Everybody can post statements or reply to a statement! 😊😊

To start this I use two statements from our society class (in Dutch it is maatschappijleer but I am not sure i translated it correct). The first two statements are:

1️⃣ In our country there used to be wolves in the forrest. Now they bring back the wolves but sometimes people see them and are even attacked! Is it good or bad that they put wolves back like it used to be? 🤷‍♀️

2️⃣ Do you think that if people live more unhealthy (for example no sports, or they are overweight or smoking or other things) that they should pay more for medical things like the hospital and medicines and other things or should everybody pay the same always? 🙄

PS: For the latest statements scroll to the latest posts!! 😛 But you can react in this forum to ANY statement that you would like to write about!! 😇😇🤗🤗🤗

1 idk

2 i think there has to be used something else then hospitals, getting heathy in a healthy way.

Thank you very much @Lianshen, @diogenes_cask and @LandRoverDiscovery2 🏆🥇🥰🥰

It is very nice that you took much time @Lianshen to explain and i understand that there is a super big difference. But a lot of zoos are not the special centres or the concrete parks but in between. And i understand that on the one hand it is important to show people and for education. But it is impossible to know if the animals are happy there or would prefer to be in the wild. 🙄🙄

And I have an update about this question:

2️⃣ IT and computers should be AT LEAST as important in school as for example math, history and languages.

We have to read the news EVERY week for society class bc ANYTHING can be discussed. And today i was reading it for this week and i saw a message on the Dutch news that said this:

"Children on primary and middle schools in the Chinese capital Beijing will get from the next school year lessons about artificial intelligence (AI). The education plan is of China's ambition to become one of the biggest players in the field of this technology.

Schools in Beijing give AI-lessons minimal 8 hours per schoolyear. The schools decide themselves if they give separate lessons or integrate, for example in subjects like IT or physics.

The Chinese education minister Huai Jinpeng said earlier this week that the government will come with plans for AI-education this year. He sees in AI big changes for the education.

The Chinese AI-sector came earlier this year in the news by the launching of an AI-model by the start-up DeepSeek. The technology of the Chinese company would be at least as good as that of the bigger competitions like OpenAI and would cost less to train and develop."

I translated from this Dutch news site and I did not check on other Chinese or English sites the news so if the news is wrong I am sorry: https://www.nu.nl/economie/6348540/kinderen-in-peking-krijgen-vanaf-nieuw-schooljaar-les-over-ai.html

Now my question is NOTTTT about China but about schools in other countries (like for example in Europe): do we ALSO need to do that. It is not a lot 8 hours per year and if you dont do it than maybe we will become super bad in the technology (or not as good as countries who do that).