🤷‍♀️🧙‍♂️ True or false? 🙄❓

Hello everybody! 🙋‍♀️

This time i have a statement BUTTT it is not mine i just heard it. I am curious what you think about it:

➡️ If every person MUSTTT go to a psychologist, he will find with EVERY person something that is wrong.

What do you think about the statements? 🙄🙄 True ✅ or false ❌ ?

I've heard about a studies in which some people had a fake diagnoses and the psychologists all believed it, tho they all didn't actually have that diagnoses. So that means the statement is true.

I've heard about a studies in which some people had a fake diagnoses and the psychologists all believed it, tho they all didn't actually have that diagnoses. So that means the statement is true.

Would you be afraid to talk with a psychologist @-Kiki-? i still think it is a very nervous moment!!! 😬😬

➡️ If every person MUSTTT go to a psychologist, he will find with EVERY person something that is wrong.

...or they will always come up with something supposedly wrong with you because they need you to keep coming back and 💸️💸️💸️ the hell out of you 😃

...or they will always come up with something supposedly wrong with you because they need you to keep coming back and 💸️💸️💸️ the hell out of you 😃

@Etienne in belgium it is for free for young people untill the age 22 . And if you are not a well payed job you paye just 4euro / sessie abd their are also places you can go for free

@Etienne in belgium it is for free for young people untill the age 22 . And if you are not a well payed job you paye just 4euro / sessie abd their are also places you can go for free

I guess, but what is free for the patient/client isn't for the taxpayer 😛. Free healthcare is a really bad idea because it incentives people to use the system for futile reasons since they're under the impression it's magic. So we need sky high taxes to try to keep up with the sky high expenses, it's a vicious cycle. If people paid for say 20% of the cost they would act much more responsibly, and we would have significantly lower taxes. We need affordable healthcare, not "free" healthcare

I guess, but what is free for the patient/client isn't for the taxpayer 😛. Free healthcare is a really bad idea because it incentives people to use the system for futile reasons since they're under the impression it's magic. So we need sky high taxes to try to keep up with the sky high expenses, it's a vicious cycle. If people paid for say 20% of the cost they would act much more responsibly, and we would have significantly lower taxes. We need affordable healthcare, not "free" healthcare

I have no idea how that is in my country free or super expensive. But i think psychologist can also really help people but i was curious how many people have for example issues and they dont know it even. But the statement is interesting i think! 😛

...or they will always come up with something supposedly wrong with you because they need you to keep coming back and 💸️💸️💸️ the hell out of you 😃

Was going to say that. It's like when you go to a mechanic for a random thing and the dude finds out your car has a cancer of the wheel and needs a replacement of the engine.😂

I guess, but what is free for the patient/client isn't for the taxpayer 😛. Free healthcare is a really bad idea because it incentives people to use the system for futile reasons since they're under the impression it's magic. So we need sky high taxes to try to keep up with the sky high expenses, it's a vicious cycle. If people paid for say 20% of the cost they would act much more responsibly, and we would have significantly lower taxes. We need affordable healthcare, not "free" healthcare

One in 4 people will sometime in their life struggle with physical issues, so that's a lot of people. Here in the Netherlands, you have to pay your "own risk", which is a mandatory €365 a year and then mental healthcare as in therapy sessions are free. I don't agree that it's "free", at least not here, here it's affordable for those who need it.

Moreover, if mental issues keep people from working, there's less taxes to be paid and people will need money from the government to provide for their house, groceries, insurance etc, so it's not only beneficial for the government to charge more for mental health care.

In conclusion, I don't agree with you. Free mental health care is far from futile, nobody says it's magic, most people know they still need to put in the energy themselves to get better. To be able to go to therapy, there are long waiting lists, so it's not like anyone can just go in whenever they please and use it for futile reasons.

I think it is important that you can get therapy if you need it and i know also here on PPG several persons who really had good help. And if they would not get it they would have problems in school or maybe could not even go at all.

If you are a psychologist i think it is also super difficult work. Because you have to help people who have problems and YOUUU need to fix it or help with it. Sometimes i talk with friends and they have problems ANDDD i dont even know what to say so i just try to be there but i am most of the times silent. But that can also help i think. But it is of course not the same as a therapist because they can do much more.

In conclusion, I don't agree with you. Free mental health care is far from futile, nobody says it's magic, most people know they still need to put in the energy themselves to get better. To be able to go to therapy, there are long waiting lists, so it's not like anyone can just go in whenever they please and use it for futile reasons.

I certainly didn't mean that mental health is futile or even that it's necessarily a waste of money. I just stressed that making all types of care readily available at no cost isn't sustainable at scale, and all visits should be paid for (even if it's a smaller fee) to ensure people behave responsibly. Because on the opposite side of the spectrum there are many just like me, paying several hundreds of euros every single month to social security, and the one time every couple of years I'm actually sick and need to go to the doctor... I can't. Because there are no doctors where I live. Is this fair? I know when talking about health we exclusively focus on those who do need, but equality should work both ways 😛. And no the answer can't be "so let's add doctors where you live" for many different reasons that I will spare you from.

I certainly didn't mean that mental health is futile or even that it's necessarily a waste of money. I just stressed that making all types of care readily available at no cost isn't sustainable at scale, and all visits should be paid for (even if it's a smaller fee) to ensure people behave responsibly. Because on the opposite side of the spectrum there are many just like me, paying several hundreds of euros every single month to social security, and the one time every couple of years I'm actually sick and need to go to the doctor... I can't. Because there are no doctors where I live. Is this fair? I know when talking about health we exclusively focus on those who do need, but equality should work both ways 😛. And no the answer can't be "so let's add doctors where you live" for many different reasons that I will spare you from.

Can I ask a question: so if you have to go to a doctor for things that are not super serious ORRR if you have for example an accident and you have to go to the hospital how far is it from where you live? 🙄🙄

Can I ask a question: so if you have to go to a doctor for things that are not super serious ORRR if you have for example an accident and you have to go to the hospital how far is it from where you live? 🙄🙄

In France you can't really go to a random doctor, they need to accept you as a patient and they're all completely full. Yes if something serious happens to you you can always go to the hospital, but the wait time is ridiculously long (last year the national average was 4.5 hours). The system is just as broken as it is outrageously expensive

In France you can't really go to a random doctor, they need to accept you as a patient and they're all completely full. Yes if something serious happens to you you can always go to the hospital, but the wait time is ridiculously long (last year the national average was 4.5 hours). The system is just as broken as it is outrageously expensive

That is scary because if you need a doctor in a hospital and they just say: ok but you have to wait 4.5 hours that can be really dangerous!! I think in my country you can just go to the doctor in most places and also for example a specialist is not really a problem. But i have no idea if it is expensive or not. 🙄🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

That is scary because if you need a doctor in a hospital and they just say: ok but you have to wait 4.5 hours that can be really dangerous!! I think in my country you can just go to the doctor in most places and also for example a specialist is not really a problem. But i have no idea if it is expensive or not. 🙄🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Yes you're right. We often heat of horror stories where people die in the hallways of hospitals while waiting for care. It's terrible. I'm not familiar with the Dutch system but I would assume it's socialist too

Can I ask a question: so if you have to go to a doctor for things that are not super serious ORRR if you have for example an accident and you have to go to the hospital how far is it from where you live? 🙄🙄

I think you could add 3 things to what Etienne already said:

- The problem is spreading ot other places as well. In Germany, I had to do a few doctors before being checked. The difficulty to find a doctor is also variable. For instance, it is nearly impossible to find it in some countrysides and even some hospitals are closing, making the distance greater to find a medical service.

- Some people go to the emergencies (the place Etienne mentionned when you have no doctor) for almost nothing. There are people who cut their finger supercially or have a cold there in the middle of people who are dying. There are also many troublemakers coming to disturb the service. A few years ago - I don't know if it's still a thing - You had old people going to the doctor almost once a week or something while not always useful; maybe for keeping a social contact or something, which also contributed to the problem.

- The response of France towards the problems it faces in healthcare is to cut budget and close beds. They already got a lot of problems with that ideology when the covid appeared, but kept closing beds and cutting budget after.

I disagree with the part saying that it is outrageously expensive. It used to work quite well, but abuse and bad decisions just destroyed everything. To be more precise, it's outrageously expensive as it is, for such poor results. However, I suspect it to be in favour of private clinics and make people pay more and more.

I disagree with the part saying that it is outrageously expensive. It used to work quite well, but abuse and bad decisions just destroyed everything. To be more precise, it's outrageously expensive as it is, for such poor results.

It looks like you "disagree" only to follow with an explanation showing that you agree 😛. Yes I was talking about the current state, it definitely used to work better. If you don't contribute to society it's still a godsend though because it's completely free, even to random foreigners, at the expensive of a relative minority who have to shoulder the burden. This is why it is unfair to be forced to pay high taxes only to get absolutely nothing in return, especially to those who live outside big cities like me (spoiler: I moved out of Versailles years ago and never updated the location on my profile 😸️)

I thought that Versailles was only the huge palace!!! But it is also a big city? 🙄🙄 And i think what @Lianshen described that there are for example A LOTTT of people who dont really have problems maybe i think that is a mistake from the hospital too. Because if you go to emergency in my country you have to go to the reception. And they check what your problem is. So if it is super urgent and important you MUST get first. And if it is not really serious they will send you away and you have to go to your normal doctor for small problems. So maybe they can do the same in France. 🙂

I thought that Versailles was only the huge palace!!! But it is also a big city? 🙄🙄 And i think what @Lianshen described that there are for example A LOTTT of people who dont really have problems maybe i think that is a mistake from the hospital too. Because if you go to emergency in my country you have to go to the reception. And they check what your problem is. So if it is super urgent and important you MUST get first. And if it is not really serious they will send you away and you have to go to your normal doctor for small problems. So maybe they can do the same in France. 🙂

If you want people not to spend the public money stupidly in France, you have to fine them, and even that might not deter all of them.