🤷‍♀️🧙‍♂️ True or false? 🙄❓

I think it is important that you can get therapy if you need it and i know also here on PPG several persons who really had good help. And if they would not get it they would have problems in school or maybe could not even go at all.

If you are a psychologist i think it is also super difficult work. Because you have to help people who have problems and YOUUU need to fix it or help with it. Sometimes i talk with friends and they have problems ANDDD i dont even know what to say so i just try to be there but i am most of the times silent. But that can also help i think. But it is of course not the same as a therapist because they can do much more.

In conclusion, I don't agree with you. Free mental health care is far from futile, nobody says it's magic, most people know they still need to put in the energy themselves to get better. To be able to go to therapy, there are long waiting lists, so it's not like anyone can just go in whenever they please and use it for futile reasons.

I certainly didn't mean that mental health is futile or even that it's necessarily a waste of money. I just stressed that making all types of care readily available at no cost isn't sustainable at scale, and all visits should be paid for (even if it's a smaller fee) to ensure people behave responsibly. Because on the opposite side of the spectrum there are many just like me, paying several hundreds of euros every single month to social security, and the one time every couple of years I'm actually sick and need to go to the doctor... I can't. Because there are no doctors where I live. Is this fair? I know when talking about health we exclusively focus on those who do need, but equality should work both ways 😛. And no the answer can't be "so let's add doctors where you live" for many different reasons that I will spare you from.

I certainly didn't mean that mental health is futile or even that it's necessarily a waste of money. I just stressed that making all types of care readily available at no cost isn't sustainable at scale, and all visits should be paid for (even if it's a smaller fee) to ensure people behave responsibly. Because on the opposite side of the spectrum there are many just like me, paying several hundreds of euros every single month to social security, and the one time every couple of years I'm actually sick and need to go to the doctor... I can't. Because there are no doctors where I live. Is this fair? I know when talking about health we exclusively focus on those who do need, but equality should work both ways 😛. And no the answer can't be "so let's add doctors where you live" for many different reasons that I will spare you from.

Can I ask a question: so if you have to go to a doctor for things that are not super serious ORRR if you have for example an accident and you have to go to the hospital how far is it from where you live? 🙄🙄

Can I ask a question: so if you have to go to a doctor for things that are not super serious ORRR if you have for example an accident and you have to go to the hospital how far is it from where you live? 🙄🙄

In France you can't really go to a random doctor, they need to accept you as a patient and they're all completely full. Yes if something serious happens to you you can always go to the hospital, but the wait time is ridiculously long (last year the national average was 4.5 hours). The system is just as broken as it is outrageously expensive

In France you can't really go to a random doctor, they need to accept you as a patient and they're all completely full. Yes if something serious happens to you you can always go to the hospital, but the wait time is ridiculously long (last year the national average was 4.5 hours). The system is just as broken as it is outrageously expensive

That is scary because if you need a doctor in a hospital and they just say: ok but you have to wait 4.5 hours that can be really dangerous!! I think in my country you can just go to the doctor in most places and also for example a specialist is not really a problem. But i have no idea if it is expensive or not. 🙄🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

That is scary because if you need a doctor in a hospital and they just say: ok but you have to wait 4.5 hours that can be really dangerous!! I think in my country you can just go to the doctor in most places and also for example a specialist is not really a problem. But i have no idea if it is expensive or not. 🙄🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Yes you're right. We often heat of horror stories where people die in the hallways of hospitals while waiting for care. It's terrible. I'm not familiar with the Dutch system but I would assume it's socialist too

Can I ask a question: so if you have to go to a doctor for things that are not super serious ORRR if you have for example an accident and you have to go to the hospital how far is it from where you live? 🙄🙄

I think you could add 3 things to what Etienne already said:

- The problem is spreading ot other places as well. In Germany, I had to do a few doctors before being checked. The difficulty to find a doctor is also variable. For instance, it is nearly impossible to find it in some countrysides and even some hospitals are closing, making the distance greater to find a medical service.

- Some people go to the emergencies (the place Etienne mentionned when you have no doctor) for almost nothing. There are people who cut their finger supercially or have a cold there in the middle of people who are dying. There are also many troublemakers coming to disturb the service. A few years ago - I don't know if it's still a thing - You had old people going to the doctor almost once a week or something while not always useful; maybe for keeping a social contact or something, which also contributed to the problem.

- The response of France towards the problems it faces in healthcare is to cut budget and close beds. They already got a lot of problems with that ideology when the covid appeared, but kept closing beds and cutting budget after.

I disagree with the part saying that it is outrageously expensive. It used to work quite well, but abuse and bad decisions just destroyed everything. To be more precise, it's outrageously expensive as it is, for such poor results. However, I suspect it to be in favour of private clinics and make people pay more and more.

I disagree with the part saying that it is outrageously expensive. It used to work quite well, but abuse and bad decisions just destroyed everything. To be more precise, it's outrageously expensive as it is, for such poor results.

It looks like you "disagree" only to follow with an explanation showing that you agree 😛. Yes I was talking about the current state, it definitely used to work better. If you don't contribute to society it's still a godsend though because it's completely free, even to random foreigners, at the expensive of a relative minority who have to shoulder the burden. This is why it is unfair to be forced to pay high taxes only to get absolutely nothing in return, especially to those who live outside big cities like me (spoiler: I moved out of Versailles years ago and never updated the location on my profile 😸️)

I thought that Versailles was only the huge palace!!! But it is also a big city? 🙄🙄 And i think what @Lianshen described that there are for example A LOTTT of people who dont really have problems maybe i think that is a mistake from the hospital too. Because if you go to emergency in my country you have to go to the reception. And they check what your problem is. So if it is super urgent and important you MUST get first. And if it is not really serious they will send you away and you have to go to your normal doctor for small problems. So maybe they can do the same in France. 🙂

I thought that Versailles was only the huge palace!!! But it is also a big city? 🙄🙄 And i think what @Lianshen described that there are for example A LOTTT of people who dont really have problems maybe i think that is a mistake from the hospital too. Because if you go to emergency in my country you have to go to the reception. And they check what your problem is. So if it is super urgent and important you MUST get first. And if it is not really serious they will send you away and you have to go to your normal doctor for small problems. So maybe they can do the same in France. 🙂

If you want people not to spend the public money stupidly in France, you have to fine them, and even that might not deter all of them.

If you want people not to spend the public money stupidly in France, you have to fine them, and even that might not deter all of them.

Or that you quickly send them away at the reception of the hospital if they come for an emergency and it is not serious. I think that works too maybe. 🙄🙄

Or that you quickly send them away at the reception of the hospital if they come for an emergency and it is not serious. I think that works too maybe. 🙄🙄

People would just come back repeatedly to try their luck or make the staff waste their time trying to bargain/lie about the severity of their problems until they bypass the rules. Really, as long as it doesn't concern the wallet of a part of the French people (probably some other cultures as well), then they will not do anything.

People would just come back repeatedly to try their luck or make the staff waste their time trying to bargain/lie about the severity of their problems until they bypass the rules. Really, as long as it doesn't concern the wallet of a part of the French people (probably some other cultures as well), then they will not do anything.

Yeah, that's a common one; hit them in their wallet and you get what you want most of the times. Tho some traffic fines skyrocketed 🙄

Hello everybody! 🙋‍♀️

For this weekend i have two new statements for this forum and I am curious what you think about it:

1️⃣ The import of cheap things that you can buy online should be reduced A LOTTTT!!

2️⃣ IT and computers should be AT LEAST as important in school as for example math, history and languages.

I think the first statement is true because of the environment and it is unnecessary to buy a lot of things that are often just of plastic or low qualities. We try not to buy too many things online and we know it is super easy but there is no space in our house and we dont need it most of the times. And the second statement is maybe true, BUTTTT that is also for practical skills (i dont mean crafts but for example how to make a CV or about taxes and other stuff), society class and other topics which may not always be discussed in classes in schools. So it is important to make choices too bc you cant have classes until the evening!!! 😛

What do you think about the statements? 🙄🙄 True ✅ or false ❌ ?

True for both 😄

1️⃣ The import of cheap things that you can buy online should be reduced A LOTTTT!!

What do you mean by "should"? If you mean morally speaking, yes sure, too much crap is made/sold/bought/discarded every day. If you mean there should be a law preventing people from freely using their money, definitely not, freedom of choice/property is fundamental. Moreover, whether it's online or in store doesn't change anything in my opinion

2️⃣ IT and computers should be AT LEAST as important in school as for example math, history and languages.

I'm not sure, people our generation all know how to use websites and computers. You don't need to know the inner workings of a computer to use it, just like you don't need to know automobile engineering to drive a car. If you're interested, sure, but I can't think of a general course that everyone would benefit from

1️⃣ The import of cheap things that you can buy online should be reduced A LOTTTT!!

From your own answer, I guess you meant the quality to be cheap? And you wouldlike to reduce it mostly for environmental concern?
In this case, I guess I agree with your statement. However, in Europe, the quality of the items produced locally is often reasonable, so one solution for that would be to deter the consumer by raising the price on imports from "cheap" countries for instance; in order to either make their items uninteresting (because they would be as expensive as local ones; but with bad quality), or force them to produce something qualitative.

2️⃣ IT and computers should be AT LEAST as important in school as for example math, history and languages.

Probably not. It seems that younger generations are not as good as using computers as our generations, but making it as important as maths or language is just a waste of time and teaching children to depends on technology too much. You don't need a computer in most of your daily tasks, and learning how to use Word or Excel is fairly easy and quick for most of use someone will make out of it.

Thank you very much @Etienne and @Lianshen for your answers!! 😛 And about question 2 i did not mean like for example how computers work from the inside but for example that you learn to use AI and other things which are maybe super useful with ANYYY job later. Because if you dont do that maybe other countries are better in it and people can loose jobs here. So maybe we can get it in school too BUTTTTT i think our teachers know LESS than us about it!!! 😛 So we can teach THEM first about it!! 🙂 I watched the full series about AI that i wrote about in the AI forum and it was really nice. But I agree that you also need normal subjects like math and history and languages but it can be an extra subject that you can choose or that everybody has to do. 🙂

And I have two new statements I want to test what everybody thinks:

1️⃣ Zoos should be banned because animals are often hurt and do not have normal space and things they need like in nature.

2️⃣ Leaders of a country should have one tv interview in the week to answer questions from normal people.

What do you think about the statements? 🙄🙄 True ✅ or false ❌

PS: I am not sure yet about the first statement but i think the second statement is true. 🙂 I can interview them for the PPG forum!! 😛 😛