👶👧🏻 The best age? 👵👴

4️⃣ At what age should you be able to buy alcohol and cigarettes? None

5️⃣ At what age should you be allowed to work? 14, if a person wants to

6️⃣ At what age should you be allowed to retire? 50

1️⃣ To get a baby? From 25 to 35

2️⃣ To be allowed to get your driving licence for a car? 20

3️⃣ To vote? 20

Hello everybody! 🙋‍♀️

This is a new forum about age!! And i have three questions to start it, but everybody can also post questions of course!!

What is the best age:

⏺️ To get a baby? 👶

⏺️ To be allowed to get your driving licence for a car? 🚗

⏺️ To vote? 📝

Now of course I understand that some things may be different for everybody! For example if you want a baby you maybe first want a job for a couple of years. Or some want a baby earlier or not at all!! So for those questions: what is the best age FOR YOU?

And for some questions (for example the voting) you can say in general what you think is best!! 😛

1. it's depends on which aspect that more matter for each individual, like in medic, they said that the ideal range to have baby between 20-35, because, at this age, fertility rates are higher, physical condition is better, and the risk of pregnancy complications is lower.

But if the doctor states that the individual has a stronger physique and condition than the average person, then I would suggest having children in the age range of 29-33. because in terms of career, ideally this age range has a higher position, a more stable financial condition with better self-maturity.

But, again, it all goes back to the condition of each individual, if it turns out that mentally, thinking, etc., he is more mature, his financial condition is more stable from an older age, then that's not a problem. (but I think this person is like 1:1,000,000. yep rare)
The purpose of this range is for individuals to consider decisions more deeply

2. in my country law, it starting 17 y.o. even then you have to undergo a series of driving tests

3. to vote? 18 y.o

Thank you very much everybody that posted!!! I think for a lot of things people think very similar about good ages for some things but of course it depends on many things so it is often also what you think yourself what you want.

And i learned a lot what @mayuuram just wrote!! My mom always said if you want to have a baby it is good to have the first baby between 25-30 because of many reasons and i think in my case those reasons are good, but maybe for others not. BUTTT you also must have a partner that also wants that and that he loves you and wants to have a family. But if you find a very nice relationship it is i think for me the preference 25-30.

For voting i see a lot of different responses!! Some say very early like our age or much later or not at all!! And i like what @Simone724 said about not buying alcohol and cigarettes! 😛 But i dont think that will happen in most countries.

If you want to test a question about age you can just write it here in the forum!! And i think many people will react what they think like now!! 🙂

Have a nice evening everybody and a nice weekend!!! 🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️

Here on penpal gate I have learned one thing: avoid arguing with those who love controversy. The theme of this forum was: the best age. Let's get back to this topic.

Pennarossa, you make an instant ad hitlerum because I said I don't like democracy. There is no arguing when you come with your beliefs and attempt to put them on other before answering, we call that a strawman fallacy.
You could have stopped with my last comment, after I tried cleared a little my point and where I just invited you to read me again to make sure that I did not mention dictatorship as an alternative before agreeing with you to leave it at that, but you prefered to overbid that comment of yours.

Please, refrain feeding the "controversy".

4️⃣ At what age should you be able to buy alcohol and cigarettes?

This is tough. 18 sounds nice, but it's also pretty ineffective. I got drank at 13-14 and tried smoking around that age as well. Furthermore, for ciarette, I can't recall of anyone +18 who became addicted to it. All of the people I remember about where smoking before.

5️⃣ At what age should you be allowed to work?

I think it depends the kind of work? I'd say 14 if only small works/small amount of time and not too demanding. 16 is probably way better than 18 or more to start learning/working as a cook or pastry chef as being younger when starting those jobs often offer better opportunities in my opinion: you don't waste time after mandatory school and you just rush directly to the working world; you get something tangible directly, and eventually can retire early as well and/or develope practical/useful knowledge that you can use outside, but also have some opportunity to switch from worker to boss etc.

6️⃣ At what age should you be allowed to retire?

Depends on the job? Ideally, everyone being able to leave super early would be super nice, but in practice, probably not so much. I guess that physical jobs leaving around 50-55 years old would be great, with decent pension. I think it's already the case for jobs like policemen in France at least. It's only a feeling and not based on annything, but I think it would be nice if they could enjoy retirement at least. When I see my mother, it is obvious that her work put a weight on her physical condition.

For more chill work, which typically come with longer studies, then working untill 60-65 is not bad.

Again, it's really "I feel like", but I think that leaving earlier also mean that you can renew some spots and have jobs for newer generations.

Oh, and for politician, nothing above 65.

1. 16 to 30

2. 18

3. 18 like it is now.

4. Cigarettes 15, alchohol when you are 100 years old. Alchohol is a legal drug that is the cause for many problems both in health and otherwise. Many things for many people would go differently if there was no alcohol.

5. 16 because thats when the basic education is done and I think you should have the choice to get a real job if you wanted to work and not be just unemployed or go to higher education.

6. I think maybe 60-65 would be the best age allowed to retire (if you dont have any kinds of physical or mental probablems from which you would retire earlier) and i think this is the age its already. But for some more physically straining jobs the age to be allowed retirment should vary, like i think it does already.

Also i think for retirment there should be no top age for when you have to retire as long as you are capable and willing. Like my grandma was basically retired when she was i think 63 but continued working but with less hours, when she turned 70 they told her she cant work there anymore. Then she started searching for another job and hobbies, not because she cant afford to live with retirment but because she got bored.

Well thank you @Yue_ for these interesting question ! Actually, it often came into my mind and I went through some "experiences" during my teenage years. Not the first one though, but the two last. 🙂

What is the best age: ⏺️ To get a baby? 👶

Depending of how long your higher studies might be, I'd say between 26-30 years old. It seems quite late, but the reasons below justify my answer.

On this one, it's really complex. I feel like people, fairly, make children at a later age, because they are first focusing on their higher education (after high school). Indeed, even though it has never been mandatory to get higher education after high school, but it feels like it is mandatory. It is certainly not an issue of social pressure to me, because I'm fully aware of the challenges of a good education : Have a stable job, easier hiring, and then get a family life! Some people may not agree with me, but I think it's necessary to get a sufficient amount of money and resources in order to get a family wife, and raise children in a GOOD environment.

⏺️ To be allowed to get your driving licence for a car? 🚗

I'd say 16 years old I had a quite annoying experience with this one...
In France, there are three main driving licences.
- Accompanied driving license (which requires to be at least 15 years old, but you need to drive with someone)
- Supervised driving license (similar to the first one, but it's more free and more flexible)
- Normal driving license (You need to be at least 17 years old)

I wanted to be more autonomous (because public transports are really bad), and drive, so I wanted to get my driving theory test early in order to drive early at 15. But it was impossible because of Covid, lockdowns and the months of state of emergency. So I waited for the normal driving test to not have restrictions while driving while some of my friends were already driving (with the accompanied driving license).
But the thing that annoyed me the most, was when I reached 18 years old... Ironically, the French government suddendly woke up and said "Hey, how about we annoy Sabri and push back the age to 17 years old so that he loses one year ?!! 😃" And they actually did... (It wasn't the first time that kind of thing had happened to me)
This got me really frustrated because I felt wronged by the government.

Actually, I don't know whether it's because of the Covid crisis or if it's just me, but because of government restrictions, I quite badly felt my 16 years old. 16 years old is what I'd consider "the hole of teenage years". You are too old to be considered a kid, but too young to be considered an adult. Basically you have responsibilities but no rights. So that's why I feel like most responsibilities should start at 16 years old, in order to autonomise and empower this age that was so neglected by governments. 16 year old teenagers who are reading this, would you agree with my statement ?

⏺️ To vote? 📝

I think, 16 years old. (or 17)
When I was 16 years old, I felt that I was enough knowledgeable and conscient about the country politics to vote, the problem could be the people who were not like me, and who were less interested and handled much less their responsibilities. I personally felt I could vote, but unfortunately it wasn't possible. But I think that 17 years old is great too, people begin taking seriously adulthood, and think about political issues way more often. In this way, they may vote through a clear-sighted choice.

Thank you for these questions Yue, I hope I'll be able to have some enriching discussions with others. 🙂

Sorry for the hijack but I think the discussion between @Lianshen and @Pennarossa2024 was interesting, I think you're both right:
- yes dictatorship and tyranny are 2 different things (kings were natural dictators but as far as I know most weren't tyrants), but dictatorships can naturally slip towards tyranny, especially in certain regions of the world or historical contexts
- Democracy is ideal on paper, but can definitely show its limits in the real world: imagine a population of 10 people where 4 generate value and 6 don't: the majority will forever alienate those who do to the benefits of the majority who doesn't, thus engaging in a slow decline of society which is detrimental to everyone in the long run. This isn't to argue that the dictatorship alternative is the solution, just pointing out the weaknesses of idealized systems. 😛

As for the questions:

1️⃣ To get a baby? 👶 => probably between 25 and 35

2️⃣ To be allowed to get your driving licence for a car? 🚗 => I feel like it could be as early as 16 years old

3️⃣ To vote? 📝 => I already believe most adults shouldn't be able to vote 😂️

Ur right soem adults should NOT VOTE

And let's not forget we're all somebody else's idiot 😂️

YEP i m saying it i feel like an idiot and for many ppl i am an Idot but hey EVERYONE IS AN IDOT (as Etienne says).

Haha I didn't say everyone is an idiot, I said you will always find someone who will consider you to be an idiot 😃 (but it doesn't mean that you are!)

Thank you very much for your reactions!! When i woke up i was like wowww ok i have to read a lotttt! 😛 But it is nice to think about what everybody thinks but i was surprised that so many DIFFERENT views about the questions!!! 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ I did not expect it would be so different! 🙄 But they are important topics i think.

Some things what i would like to react:

1️⃣ It was very interesting what @Lianshen said about the pension about different ages that people can retire for different persons depending on the work. So if for example you have VERY HEAVY work you can retire earlier than for example if the work is not so heavy. But it will always be difficult because people can argue when it is heavy or not and if some people can retire more early than other people maybe get upset. Our teacher said that also in our society class but he also said something else but i am not sure how that works. He said that if you work with very heavy things often you get a lower salary. And you can maybe retire more early but the pension will not be enough. And people who cant retire earlier, they often have more income and savings. So that can be a problem he said. And it is interesting that @Lianshen said politicians cant be older than 65 because i know from the news that in America they said that Trump and Biden were both very old!! But if they can still be a good president it should not matter right. But if they forget things or cant work, that should not be allowed i think.

2️⃣ What @jiijii04 said is also very interesting about alcohol being legal drugs, but i dont think that countries will ban alcohol. So if that is the case, it is always important to think what the age can be that you buy it. But even if you have a rule that does not always work. Because for example in our class most are 14 but they get alcohol very easy if they want from others. And also what @jiijii04 said that if you can retire but you want to continue work that should be allowed if you do good work and your boss is happy with it. If that is the case i think Jiijii is right!! ✅💯

3️⃣ About what @Sabri_KC said i think it is very interesting because a lot is allowed when you are 16 what Sabri says. And i think what he means is that when you are 16 it is VERY different than when for example you are 13. And that you are almost an adult so maybe you can do some adult things like driving a car or voting already but not everything. That is a very interesting thing what Sabri said. But i dont know what others think about it because that is more than just about that you can drive and vote. So is it true that for example you have:

- small children
- teenager
- almost adult
- adult

Sorry i dont know if i write that correctly Sabri but that is what you mean right? So it means that there are different rules for the 4 groups what they can do and not like driving, working, voting and maybe other things.

4️⃣ What @Etienne wrote is very interesting because if democracy can be weak but also dictatorship than what is the best idea? We had in our school discussions when we had a new government after the elections in our class. And our teacher said we have a different cabinet because of what one party said (NSC). And that you get a cabinet that are not only from the parties but that there are more people who are experts. So you have like an expert cabinet. I dont know if that is the correct way to say it in English and if it is the wrong word. So that cabinet must talk A LOTTT with the parliament every time BUTTT they are more about making rules because what they think as the experts than the political parties but they do need to know every time if they have enough support for the voting.

5️⃣ I also have a question for @Etienne because you said like i think the most persons between 25-35 is the best that you get babies. BUTTT is that different for the guy and the girl that age? 🙄🙄 I think if you want to have two babies maybe the first when you are 25-30 and some years later the second baby so you have time to give 10982390123 cuddles for the first baby 😛 and take care of him or her first and when you are ready the second baby but that is before 35.

6️⃣ And i think that BOTH @Etienne and @Mulanyyy are right that every person IS at least a little bit idiot and that every person is an idiot (maybe more) in the way that other people think!! 😛🤪

Sorry that my message is so long but i just try to think about what everybody said and what i think about the views!! 🙂

Maybe @-Kiki- if you have time perhaps i am very curious what you think about nr. 3️⃣ and what @Sabri_KC said above because you were 16 and now 18 so maybe you know more about it. 😇😇

Maybe @-Kiki- if you have time perhaps i am very curious what you think about nr. 3️⃣ and what @Sabri_KC said above because you were 16 and now 18 so maybe you know more about it. 😇😇

Hey, I had a busy day yesterday but I'll answer now. I don't think people under 18 should be allowed to vote. I also had classmates who were just yelling the weirdest stuff when we talked about voting. I don't trust them with the right to vote.

I do think teenagers should be able to have influence in topics regarding school, but not for bigger issues or topics like climate change and stuff. They haven't given it a thought probably and just state what parents, friends or politicians said. And also the things that are considered good in the eyes of society. So I would say maybe 20. I feel like people at the age of 20 start to think for themselves more, as they're also deciding what to do in their own future as well without wanting to fit in like you do in high school. That's my opinion. 😊

As for the other questions: for children really depends on the individual but maybe 30. Driving a car I think 18, but that also depends on the individual. The most important thing is that you're responsible enough to drive a car.

For retirement: you could in theory stop any time, but people keep working for their retirement money (in the Netherlands AOW), which will be giving out at the age of 67 I believe. So if you have enough savings to support your life before that age you could retire earlier if you want.

Thank you very much @-Kiki-!!!! I think the AOW is confusing because you have that but also different pensions. We got that in society class (maatschappijleer ik weet niet hoe ik het anders in Engels moet vertalen 😛 ) but it is very complicated because some comes from the state and other your work? And you need savings from yourselves so i was like 😵‍💫😵‍💫

And thank you very much for all your other views!! I think you know it very well because you are same age almost like @Sabri_KC!!! I can only say for my classmates but a lot dont even care at all!!! 🙄

Haha yes i have seen those bikes😂 unfortunately, tehran or any other city in iran is not good for bking AT ALL. There is just highways and streets here. And its dangerous to ride in high ways🙂

In Amsterdam at the Central Train Station there is even a huge parking lot of multiple floors for bikes!! 🙂

@Parsaa biker 🚴

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A new age question

Can I ask now something very different: what was FOR YOU the best age or what do you think will be the best age in your life? For example 18 because you are allowed to do a lot of things or maybe 65 or 67 because you can retire or a different age because something nice happened?

So the question:

⏺️ What was or will be the best age FOR YOU in your life? 🙏🙏🌸🌸🌞🌞

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