Sorry for the hijack but I think the discussion between @Lianshen and @Pennarossa2024 was interesting, I think you're both right:Ur right soem adults should NOT VOTE
- yes dictatorship and tyranny are 2 different things (kings were natural dictators but as far as I know most weren't tyrants), but dictatorships can naturally slip towards tyranny, especially in certain regions of the world or historical contexts
- Democracy is ideal on paper, but can definitely show its limits in the real world: imagine a population of 10 people where 4 generate value and 6 don't: the majority will forever alienate those who do to the benefits of the majority who doesn't, thus engaging in a slow decline of society which is detrimental to everyone in the long run. This isn't to argue that the dictatorship alternative is the solution, just pointing out the weaknesses of idealized systems. πAs for the questions:
1οΈβ£ To get a baby? πΆ => probably between 25 and 35
2οΈβ£ To be allowed to get your driving licence for a car? π => I feel like it could be as early as 16 years old
3οΈβ£ To vote? π => I already believe most adults shouldn't be able to vote ποΈ
Welcome! Penpal-Gate connects people from all around the world. Please log in or create a profile.
πΆπ§π» The best age? π΅π΄ Anything and everything
Thank you very much for your reactions!! When i woke up i was like wowww ok i have to read a lotttt! π But it is nice to think about what everybody thinks but i was surprised that so many DIFFERENT views about the questions!!! π€·ββοΈπ€·ββοΈ I did not expect it would be so different! π But they are important topics i think.
Some things what i would like to react:
1οΈβ£ It was very interesting what @Lianshen said about the pension about different ages that people can retire for different persons depending on the work. So if for example you have VERY HEAVY work you can retire earlier than for example if the work is not so heavy. But it will always be difficult because people can argue when it is heavy or not and if some people can retire more early than other people maybe get upset. Our teacher said that also in our society class but he also said something else but i am not sure how that works. He said that if you work with very heavy things often you get a lower salary. And you can maybe retire more early but the pension will not be enough. And people who cant retire earlier, they often have more income and savings. So that can be a problem he said. And it is interesting that @Lianshen said politicians cant be older than 65 because i know from the news that in America they said that Trump and Biden were both very old!! But if they can still be a good president it should not matter right. But if they forget things or cant work, that should not be allowed i think.
2οΈβ£ What @jiijii04 said is also very interesting about alcohol being legal drugs, but i dont think that countries will ban alcohol. So if that is the case, it is always important to think what the age can be that you buy it. But even if you have a rule that does not always work. Because for example in our class most are 14 but they get alcohol very easy if they want from others. And also what @jiijii04 said that if you can retire but you want to continue work that should be allowed if you do good work and your boss is happy with it. If that is the case i think Jiijii is right!! β π―
3οΈβ£ About what @Sabri_KC said i think it is very interesting because a lot is allowed when you are 16 what Sabri says. And i think what he means is that when you are 16 it is VERY different than when for example you are 13. And that you are almost an adult so maybe you can do some adult things like driving a car or voting already but not everything. That is a very interesting thing what Sabri said. But i dont know what others think about it because that is more than just about that you can drive and vote. So is it true that for example you have:
- small children
- teenager
- almost adult
- adult
Sorry i dont know if i write that correctly Sabri but that is what you mean right? So it means that there are different rules for the 4 groups what they can do and not like driving, working, voting and maybe other things.
4οΈβ£ What @Etienne wrote is very interesting because if democracy can be weak but also dictatorship than what is the best idea? We had in our school discussions when we had a new government after the elections in our class. And our teacher said we have a different cabinet because of what one party said (NSC). And that you get a cabinet that are not only from the parties but that there are more people who are experts. So you have like an expert cabinet. I dont know if that is the correct way to say it in English and if it is the wrong word. So that cabinet must talk A LOTTT with the parliament every time BUTTT they are more about making rules because what they think as the experts than the political parties but they do need to know every time if they have enough support for the voting.
5οΈβ£ I also have a question for @Etienne because you said like i think the most persons between 25-35 is the best that you get babies. BUTTT is that different for the guy and the girl that age? ππ I think if you want to have two babies maybe the first when you are 25-30 and some years later the second baby so you have time to give 10982390123 cuddles for the first baby π and take care of him or her first and when you are ready the second baby but that is before 35.
6οΈβ£ And i think that BOTH @Etienne and @Esma-Nur are right that every person IS at least a little bit idiot and that every person is an idiot (maybe more) in the way that other people think!! ππ€ͺ
Sorry that my message is so long but i just try to think about what everybody said and what i think about the views!! π
Maybe @-Kiki- if you have time perhaps i am very curious what you think about nr. 3οΈβ£ and what @Sabri_KC said above because you were 16 and now 18 so maybe you know more about it. ππHey, I had a busy day yesterday but I'll answer now. I don't think people under 18 should be allowed to vote. I also had classmates who were just yelling the weirdest stuff when we talked about voting. I don't trust them with the right to vote.
I do think teenagers should be able to have influence in topics regarding school, but not for bigger issues or topics like climate change and stuff. They haven't given it a thought probably and just state what parents, friends or politicians said. And also the things that are considered good in the eyes of society. So I would say maybe 20. I feel like people at the age of 20 start to think for themselves more, as they're also deciding what to do in their own future as well without wanting to fit in like you do in high school. That's my opinion. π
As for the other questions: for children really depends on the individual but maybe 30. Driving a car I think 18, but that also depends on the individual. The most important thing is that you're responsible enough to drive a car.
For retirement: you could in theory stop any time, but people keep working for their retirement money (in the Netherlands AOW), which will be giving out at the age of 67 I believe. So if you have enough savings to support your life before that age you could retire earlier if you want.
Thank you very much @-Kiki-!!!! I think the AOW is confusing because you have that but also different pensions. We got that in society class (maatschappijleer ik weet niet hoe ik het anders in Engels moet vertalen π ) but it is very complicated because some comes from the state and other your work? And you need savings from yourselves so i was like π΅βπ«π΅βπ«
And thank you very much for all your other views!! I think you know it very well because you are same age almost like @Sabri_KC!!! I can only say for my classmates but a lot dont even care at all!!! π
I understand what you mean @Parsaa but I have a good idea until you can drive a car!! Get a nice bike!! In my country EVERYBODY has a bike and you see them everywhere. So other people have to wait for a bus or taxi and you can just wave on the bike to them and can be super fast!!! π²π²π²Haha yes i have seen those bikesπ unfortunately, tehran or any other city in iran is not good for bking AT ALL. There is just highways and streets here. And its dangerous to ride in high waysπAnd it is nice what you wrote about adoption @Emmi1711!! In my country people talk now about like adoption but from your own country. For example if there is violence in a family or an accident happened. And you have children that need a family so adoption can help but there are a lot of rules of course but i dont know more about it. And adoption can also be from another country and I know people who have been adopted.
But @Parsaa is already adopted by @Pennarossa2024 now!! π π
Haha yes i have seen those bikesπ unfortunately, tehran or any other city in iran is not good for bking AT ALL. There is just highways and streets here. And its dangerous to ride in high waysπ
In Amsterdam at the Central Train Station there is even a huge parking lot of multiple floors for bikes!! π
ππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈ
A new age question
Can I ask now something very different: what was FOR YOU the best age or what do you think will be the best age in your life? For example 18 because you are allowed to do a lot of things or maybe 65 or 67 because you can retire or a different age because something nice happened?
So the question:
βΊοΈ What was or will be the best age FOR YOU in your life? πππΈπΈππ
ππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈ
ππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈA new age question
Can I ask now something very different: what was FOR YOU the best age or what do you think will be the best age in your life? For example 18 because you are allowed to do a lot of things or maybe 65 or 67 because you can retire or a different age because something nice happened?So the question:
βΊοΈ What was or will be the best age FOR YOU in your life? πππΈπΈππ
ππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈ
I guess the age when i get psychological help
Edited by Esma-Nur .
ππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈA new age question
Can I ask now something very different: what was FOR YOU the best age or what do you think will be the best age in your life? For example 18 because you are allowed to do a lot of things or maybe 65 or 67 because you can retire or a different age because something nice happened?So the question:
βΊοΈ What was or will be the best age FOR YOU in your life? πππΈπΈππ
ππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈππβ€οΈβ€οΈ
I donβt really know, i think every age has itβs own beautiful moments π
For me it is the last year in primary school now because i was my friends from that time and also family visited from China and that was also my grandparents and we showed them a lot.
But my grandma always says that you dont need big moments like wedding or a baby or other things to be the best time because it is also every moment and smaller things and that can also make you very happy if you are very thankful about it. ππ