What do you think of russia? Politics and governments

Привет русские друзья,

I, for once, haven't changed my mind about this beautiful country and the wonderful people I met there when I had the privilege to spend 3 too short months in between Moscow and St Petersburg in 2015 ! I'm still passionate about your History, I still admire your resilience while facing harsh times, and I still take great pride using some good old Smirnov vodka in my cocktails haha !

Do not get fooled by the shameful amount of disrespect or hate some ignorant Идиоты spread online in the wake of the current world events, for you'd be surprised there's much more quiet, literate and curious people even here in the Western world, which I know quite well for I'm myself French, than you'd think of that keep up a positive opinion towards you despite the propaganda we have to face on a daily basis here as well. Just like you I suppose.

Whatever some will say, keep true to yourselves, embrace this русская душа many of us facing identity crisis in the West envy you for, and honour the memory of your fallen soldiers. Do not feel ashamed about events you have no control over, nor the need to amend yourself for your presidents decisions. Wether you support him or not, you've got the right to have your personal reasons for that, and you deserve respect. On a personal note, I believe there's not a single high end politician anywhere in the world that didn't had some blood spilled over them hands while being in charge anyway, so there's that eh 😉.

Anyhow, God bless Russia and the Russian people ! Whatever time it takes for things to resolve, I am convinced victory will be yours in the end and that we will have the opportunity to rebuild our diplomatic ties at some point. And by then, I'll be the first in line to visit the many parts of the Motherland I still got to discover !

As one of Russians, love your point of view!

Awesome ! Я так вам благодарен ! I did notice a lot of what I'd politely qualify as utter дрянь from a bunch old farts from France popping up, and this motivated me to state than Hey ! There's still normal people valorising mutual respect in my homeland.
Do not lose time trying to convince them with actual historical facts, they hold no proper arguments apart calling you Nazis, Communist enforcers, yada yada yada Putin was the son of Hitler and Satan and so on... It's especially funny when you think these guys probably clapped their hands for your president when he opposed the war in Irak alongside Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Schröder in 2003. Hypocrisy at the finest !

Now for a quick vocabulary tip ! In France, my generation simply refers to this people above 38 years old as "boomers", since most of them were born near a period called the baby boom, at a time when France was still safe and pretty cool to leave in and they basically fucked everything up to the point we're about to become a third world country in the near future. It's a fun way to put an emphasis on the fact they're becoming old, disconnected from the reality and that we certainly won't pay them any of the respect you gotta give your elders normally.

They hate the expression and it quickly start them off usually, so have fun practicing, За верных друзей ! ;D

Anti-Nazi, great art and writer.
Light of an eld period (Soviet).
Cossack dance.

We should precise the real facts of the Second World War, It might be wise to specify the ambiguous attitude of the USSR during the Second World War. Of course the soviet soldiers were a determinant point for the victory but in reality the Soviets did not care about the fate of Europe, they only entered the war when Hitler attacked them. Before they were very good friends. Nazis and Soviets signed the German Soviet pact in August 23, 1939 followed by two other agreements on August 28 and September 28. Relations between the two dictatorships were then in very good shape until Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa to invade Russia. With this pact Stalin could take the half of Poland, the Baltic countries some other territories in Rumania and Moldavia and could attack Finland with the accord of Hitler. On the side of Hitler this shameful pact allowed him invading west Europe and let the United Kingdom alone in Front of the German army. So if the Soviets were a big element of the victory. Their intervention only came when the Nazis attacked them. It was first a betrayal between dictators. If Hitler had been a little smarter he should have avoided attacking the USSR and dealt with ending the conflict with Great Britain.

The USSR and Germany were not friends. Communism did not share the ideology of Nazism, and Nazism did not share the ideology of Communism. Hitler hated Jews and communism.
Therefore, you can not call them allies.
The treaty signed on 23 August was not an allied agreement; the parties only pledged to refrain from attacking each other and to remain neutral in the event of an attack by a third country on one of them.
The USSR understood that a war with Germany was inevitable and tried to delay the attack, which happened, a non-aggression pact between Molotov and Ribbentrop was signed. Stalin understood that the Red Army was considered insufficiently strong, the USSR sought to avoid being drawn into a pan-European war, he began to pursue a policy of collective security, trying to contain Nazi Germany through cooperation with the League of Nations and the Western powers. The attitude of the USSR towards the League of Nations and international peace has changed. The Western powers believed that war could still be avoided, and the USSR, greatly weakened by the "purges", could not act as the main military participant

Good night dear Tembolat ! You seem for someone who pretends to be an historian, just suffering from another very early alzheimer disease by forgetting that Lenine himself used to get refuged in Germany at the beginning of WW1 and his bolshevik Revolution used to be financially supported by German Empire until the treaty of Brest Litovsk of march 1918 which put an end to WW1 on the eastern front. A few years later in 1924, Ussr and the german Republic of Weimar used to sign a friendship and military assistance treaty with training exercises between the both armies and those agreements lasted until 1933 and Adolf s Hitler arrival in power.
At last nowadays, some people from your own country even if they are not officially supported by your government like Mr Alexander Douguina and members of former national bolshevik party that Mr Douguina used to create with Mr Limonov at the end of the ninetys, keep telling us each time they can come in France
( Mr Douguina speaks french fluently ) that " national socialism is like communism but without the presence of the jews " ( Mr Douguina is a great fan of Ernst Roehm, the former chief of the Sa, the link wing of German nazi party, and former right hand man of Adolf Hitler before being murdered by him in 1934 ).

The National-Bolshevik party anthem / BUNG DARREN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC0e2G47OTI

For sure, I don t know for you but each time , I m looking the flags and banners of Nazbok party as it is called in Russia, it reminds me something I already saw by the past !

Anthem of the Great Eurasia / Ultra-Based Hype
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGBW8C4kdM0

And here is the great philosophic, political dream and plan of Mr Alexander Douguina : the building of the Great Eurasia, I mean the building of an unified continent from Vladivostok on the pacific coast of the Federation of Russia until Lisboa in Portugal and the Atlantic Ocean with Moscow as a capital ! According to him, such a plan needs the alliance of all the communist and neo nazis parties in Europe : no more Russia, Ukraina, Poland, France, Germany and Italy , just a giant trans european and asian superpower military and economic which would be able to face with the Us and China !

Of course, each time I m hearing such a philosophic and political speech from
Mr Douguina and his fans in France,
I don t know why but I cannot prevent me from having a small thought for the 21 millionth soviet people or " useful idiots " as Lenine and Stalin would say who died during the great patriotic war against german nazis invasion of former Ussr !

We should precise the real facts of the Second World War, It might be wise to specify the ambiguous attitude of the USSR during the Second World War. Of course the soviet soldiers were a determinant point for the victory but in reality the Soviets did not care about the fate of Europe, they only entered the war when Hitler attacked them. Before they were very good friends. Nazis and Soviets signed the German Soviet pact in August 23, 1939 followed by two other agreements on August 28 and September 28. Relations between the two dictatorships were then in very good shape until Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa to invade Russia. With this pact Stalin could take the half of Poland, the Baltic countries some other territories in Rumania and Moldavia and could attack Finland with the accord of Hitler. On the side of Hitler this shameful pact allowed him invading west Europe and let the United Kingdom alone in Front of the German army. So if the Soviets were a big element of the victory. Their intervention only came when the Nazis attacked them. It was first a betrayal between dictators. If Hitler had been a little smarter he should have avoided attacking the USSR and dealt with ending the conflict with Great Britain.

Why didn't the USSR enter the war earlier?
The USSR made attempts to create an anti-Hitler coalition back in the spring and summer of 1939. Read about the Moscow negotiations in 1939, where there were three parties: Great Britain, France and the USSR. France was more cautious about starting military negotiations before a political agreement was reached. In addition, both London and Paris knew that Poland and Romania categorically objected to the passage of the Red Army through their territory. As a result, London postponed the solution of this issue for the time being, discussing in the meantime whether to interrupt negotiations with the USSR altogether.
Continue?
In March 1939, Germany annexed Klaipeda from Lithuania with the tacit consent of the major powers (France and Great Britain).
The Munich Agreement of 1938 (also called the Munich Agreement) is an agreement between Germany, Great Britain, France and the Kingdom of Italy, drawn up in Munich on September 29, 1938 and signed on the night of September 29-30 of the same year by the Reich Chancellor of Germany, Adolf Hitler, Prime Minister of Great Britain Neville Chamberlain, French Prime Minister Edouard Daladier and Italian Prime Minister Benito Mussolini. The agreement provided that Czechoslovakia would liberate and cede the Sudetenland to Germany within 10 days.
It is noteworthy that all this time the Soviet Union remained faithful to the Mutual Assistance Treaty with the Czechoslovak Republic. Moscow's representative in the League of Nations called for immediate assistance to Prague, but all proposals were blocked by England and France. The USSR was ready to send troops even if no one else wanted to support Czechoslovakia. Despite this, Poland replied that it would not allow Soviet troops to pass through its territory.
This completely freed Hitler's hands, he realized that he would be given all of Europe.
The agreement between Germany and the USSR was precisely a non-aggression pact - in contrast to the Munich Agreement, which, with the blessing of the "Western democracies", threw the sovereign state of Czechoslovakia at the mercy of Hitler and became the forerunner of World War II.
You say that the USSR began to participate in the war only when they were attacked by Hitler.
Do you know about "Strange War"???
In a different way, the "sitting war" of Great Britain and France. Thus, the nature of hostilities between the warring parties was emphasized - their almost complete absence, with the exception of hostilities at sea.
Britain assumed that Hitler would not go deeper into the West, but would turn his forces against the USSR. Poland had a plan that included going with Hitler to Moscow. But Hitler thought he could handle it himself. There were even attempts on the part of the Western powers to provoke Hitler's attack on the USSR.
By the way, after France capitulated in 1940, volunteer detachments and legions of volunteers against Bolshevism were formed in France, who participated in the attack on Moscow, the defense of Berlin and other battles.
Note that in 1942 at a conference, the USSR asked for the opening of a second front by Great Britain and the United States, which would greatly facilitate the position of the USSR in the defense and offensive of the Red Army. German troops would have to transfer some of their army to the Western Front. But the United Kingdom and the United States refused to do so. They opened a second front only in 1944, when the USSR launched a counteroffensive. The United States and Great Britain deliberately delayed the opening of the second front in order for the USSR to weaken its forces on the Soviet-German front as much as possible.

Good,evening, dear Tembolat, what you wrote is partly wright but you forgot of course as a russian nationalist and propagandist you are, to talk about the Teheran s conference of January 1943 with Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill where the leaders of Allied nations which were fighting at that time against german third reich decided to open a second front in western europe on July 1943 first in Sicilia and then on September of the same year in Italy so as to liberate the eastern front from german troops which could have been very useful to the nazi regim during the decisive battle of Kursk which occured on the same time in your country against Red Army.

Thank you for getting personal by calling me a nationalist and propagandist. You don't know me, you just decided to spread demagoguery. Honestly, after that I do not want to continue communication with you. But I will not be lazy and still justify you.
You say that I am partially right, in which I am wrong, I gave you all the facts, arguments, events, they are in the public domain. Take and read.
Regarding the opening of a second front, I admit that in 1943 there was an operation in Sicily, where were the allies before? Secondly, in all sources, both in yours and in ours, the opening of the second front is the landing of the allies in Normandy.
You did not mention the MAIN FACTOR that influenced the decision of the Germans - THE BEGINNING OF THE OFFENSIVE OF THE BRYANSK AND WESTERN FRONTS ON JULY 12. It is foolish to continue an already unsuccessful offensive when an armada of armies of two fronts falls on you from the flank. Neither Prokhorovka nor Sicily had any influence on the decision to end Operation Citadel. (The Oryol-Kursk operation and the Citadel are different operations, one is ours, the other is Germans, so there is a difference 🙂 )
Once again, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that all resources for the Citadel operation were determined in advance and the landing in Sicily did not affect their composition in any way.
As for the telegram, yes, this telegram does exist, many believe that it did not exist, but in my opinion it did exist.
Tell me, if you were trying to delay the war in order to prepare, how would you treat your opponents? That's right, they would try to somehow not ignite the conflict in advance.
If you already raised the question for an ordinary piece of paper, then what do you say about this:
Almost all the industrial capacities of France, until its liberation, worked for the needs of Nazi Germany.
AMP.
During the period from 1940 to 1944, France supplied 4 thousand aircraft, 10 thousand aircraft engines for the needs of the Luftwaffe. German planes with French engines bombed Soviet cities. More than 52,000 trucks made in France made up a significant part of the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS fleet.

Good morning dear Tembolat ! So, you finally admit the landing of Us and British allied troops in Sicilia during the Husky operation of july 1943 but you still forget to talk about the avalanche operation of September 1943 which followed the occupation of Sicilia by Western allied troops with the landing of British, American, French and polish troops in Southern Italy ( Salerno and Tarente ) with very hard fights against german army until the taking of Rom the 4th of June 1944, two days before the D day in Normandy.

cold AF, however the russian culture is cool and the girls are nice looking too lol.

In the Soviet Union, the miners of Donbass flooded the mines so that the Nazi invaders could not use the coal, and in France the workers could do the best they could to go on strike - no, not against the supply of weapons to the front, but for an increase in wages. That is, in principle, they were ready to work to build up the power of the German army, but for a slightly higher fee!
I also want to add about the operation "Sunrise" (be sure to read), where the allies (England and the United States) began secret negotiations with Germany.
Despite the fact that in 1943, at the conferences in Casablanca and Tehran, the Allies defined the unconditional and complete surrender of Germany and its satellites as the goal of the war, in the United States and Great Britain there were many influential supporters of the idea of negotiating with Germany (with or without Hitler). As the military successes of the USSR grew, many in business circles, in the Republican Party in the USA, and in the leadership of American trade unions, were inclined to this idea. They were concerned about the post-war reorganization of the world and, above all, the possible strengthening of the role of the USSR in it, and their pressure on President Roosevelt and his team was constantly increasing. So, in 1944, General J. Marshall sent a memorandum on military-strategic issues to the president, in which he proposed to reduce military supplies to the Soviet Union in order to slow down the rate of advance of Soviet troops to the west. There are a lot of interesting things there, if they start writing about it, it will take a very long time.
I want to bring a very interesting fact. You knew that it was thanks to Stalin that France became the victorious country.
On the eve of the landings in Normandy in June 1944, de Gaulle was told that a provisional occupation administration would be established in France, and the creation of civilian authorities would be postponed until the end of the war. This would be the complete end of de Gaulle as a politician. Of course, de Gaulle tirelessly maintained active contacts with both Roosevelt and Churchill, proving that only he could ensure due loyalty to the Western allies. But it was clear that the United States and Britain did not want France to play a prominent role in post-war Europe. There was only one ally country that was interested in France precisely as a counterbalance to the influence of the United States and England. That country was the USSR.
On December 10, 1944, the USSR and France signed an agreement on alliance and military assistance. With this act, the Soviet leadership officially elevated France to the same level of cooperation that the United States and Great Britain were at. Stalin wanted to invite de Gaulle to a conference in Yalta, and then to Potsdam, but his initiative met with active opposition from Western partners.

So, dear Tembolat, you are really a school case which is worth being showed and studyed at university about the disinformation and new writing of history that Russian government is now practising so as to justify its invasion of Ukraina to his people and to the rest of the World. I must admit that it is really well done because you are mixing true facts with pure falsification of history but this kind of practising is a very old tradition in Russia and was already very used during Bolshevik and Stalin times. Saying that most of french people used to work for the german third reich during Ww2 is a too very easy way : from the military defeat of France in june 1940 until november 1942, France was partly occupied by german troops and then entirely occupied until the 6th of June 1944. During this time, most of french people was only interested in trying to survive to this foreign occupation as many other occupied populations by german nazis at that time ( it is not so easy to be an hero ! ) and only a very few people was resisting at the beginning. French resistance really start to grow when communists joined it after the invasion of Ussr by german nazis in june 1941 and it used to grow on a significant way from january 1943 when german nazis decided to send all french men between 18 and 40 years old to work in german factories and concerning at last french people and societies who used to really hardly work for the german third reich as my father and Reno did, they were really a very small minority !

Dear Tembolat, I forgot to add that your writing concerning the fact that Stalin and Ussr would have supported French General De Gaulle and french resistance during Ww2 and that it would be thanks to them if France got a veto right at the security council of United Nations is really laughable : the only one who really supported and believed in General De Gaulle and french résistance from the beginning when they were nothing , were Winston Churchill and british government ! De Gaulle used to sign a peace treaty with Stalin and Ussr in december 1944 just because at that time , French communist resistance was controlling 50% of french territory and because De Gaulle wanted french communists recognized his authority on whole french territory !

At last dear Tembolat and this is really my last message to people of your own about this topic that you and russian government try to explode : Ww2 is over since 73 years and we are very lucky you and I, not to have lived such a
so horrible time and instead of trying to wake up the ghosts of the past, we might rather do our best not to start a new war which would be more terrific for our both countries and the rest of the World.

Привет русские друзья,

I, for once, haven't changed my mind about this beautiful country and the wonderful people I met there when I had the privilege to spend 3 too short months in between Moscow and St Petersburg in 2015 ! I'm still passionate about your History, I still admire your resilience while facing harsh times, and I still take great pride using some good old Smirnov vodka in my cocktails haha !

Do not get fooled by the shameful amount of disrespect or hate some ignorant Идиоты spread online in the wake of the current world events, for you'd be surprised there's much more quiet, literate and curious people even here in the Western world, which I know quite well for I'm myself French, than you'd think of that keep up a positive opinion towards you despite the propaganda we have to face on a daily basis here as well. Just like you I suppose.

Whatever some will say, keep true to yourselves, embrace this русская душа many of us facing identity crisis in the West envy you for, and honour the memory of your fallen soldiers. Do not feel ashamed about events you have no control over, nor the need to amend yourself for your presidents decisions. Wether you support him or not, you've got the right to have your personal reasons for that, and you deserve respect. On a personal note, I believe there's not a single high end politician anywhere in the world that didn't had some blood spilled over them hands while being in charge anyway, so there's that eh 😉.

Anyhow, God bless Russia and the Russian people ! Whatever time it takes for things to resolve, I am convinced victory will be yours in the end and that we will have the opportunity to rebuild our diplomatic ties at some point. And by then, I'll be the first in line to visit the many parts of the Motherland I still got to discover !

As one of Russians, love your point of view!

Awesome ! Я так вам благодарен ! I did notice a lot of what I'd politely qualify as utter дрянь from a bunch old farts from France popping up, and this motivated me to state than Hey ! There's still normal people valorising mutual respect in my homeland.
Do not lose time trying to convince them with actual historical facts, they hold no proper arguments apart calling you Nazis, Communist enforcers, yada yada yada Putin was the son of Hitler and Satan and so on... It's especially funny when you think these guys probably clapped their hands for your president when he opposed the war in Irak alongside Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Schröder in 2003. Hypocrisy at the finest !

Now for a quick vocabulary tip ! In France, my generation simply refers to this people above 38 years old as "boomers", since most of them were born near a period called the baby boom, at a time when France was still safe and pretty cool to leave in and they basically fucked everything up to the point we're about to become a third world country in the near future. It's a fun way to put an emphasis on the fact they're becoming old, disconnected from the reality and that we certainly won't pay them any of the respect you gotta give your elders normally.

They hate the expression and it quickly start them off usually, so have fun practicing, За верных друзей ! ;D

Good morning dear Max a drinks ! So concerning your case and when you will have finished your vodka shots ( it is maybe a little soon for you at that time ! ) : if you are really french and not just another ruscist or russian fascist fake who is often polluting political forums on penpal and if you really think what you wrote here , why don t you make your luggages as soon as you can so as to settle your own person, face and arse in your so beloved russian paradise ( at last, we ll have more alcohol to share between boomers as you are calling us ! ).

It is funny how having a point of view opposing a common one is 'polluting' the forums. Also interesting, that UNLIKE you and similar people, neither I nor any other Russian in this thread ever said any offence or cuss. Also interesting how your statements are constantly jumbled up, with terrible grammar, while Thembolat, for example, used decent language and grammar. Essentially what you're doing is trying to put hate on Russia, its people and people speaking against you specifically, and attempting to hurt us. Good luck with that. It's no longer a debate, it's plain trolling and hate. I've stayed silent so far but this is getting 'a little' too much when my own country and its culture get offended.

Good morning dear Lion 223 ! And here we are, at last with you there is some progress : you finally admitted that you are a big russian ruscist or russian fascist fake who is hiding him and pollute penpal political forums by using the flag of another foreign country so as to spread the soup propaganda of its own government : that s always the same old method used since the time of bolshevik and Lenine which is practised nowadays again by those people : they keep producing and launching fake news and lies and when someone does not share their opinion, they are starting to discredit and insulting him and if that s not enough, they will say this person is crazy and at the end they will say that they are the victims of the agression they started to make ! Ah those Ruscist, if they did not exist, we ll have to create them !

😂I've got nothing to say, right now you're simply being irrational and apparently, you also don't listen to your opponents when 'debating'. I said things absolutely opposite to what you said, and I never 'admitted' any of the labels you put on me and other Russians.

😂I've got nothing to say, right now you're simply being irrational and apparently, you also don't listen to your opponents when 'debating'. I said things absolutely opposite to what you said, and I never 'admitted' any of the labels you put on me and other Russians.

Thank you very much, dear Lion 223, you are a real gold mine for me because you just confirmed exactly with your last message what I used to write in my last one ! Now I m gonna leave you alone and I m gonna try to learn your native language on duo linguo app ( I need to learn your language if I want to be a more efficient killer in case of war between our both countries !)