The truth and lies of Ukraine

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Billa you have a very strange attitude: At one moment you shouted your hate against Putin and Russia and now you make praises to Chinese government. Don’t be naïve, a present from Xi Jingping has always a price. China is the first protector of Russia and a lot of totalitarian regimes.
Chinese method to invade his neighbors is certainly more subtle and vicious than the brutal Russian aggression. They invade slowly and try to corrupt all the political or economic leaders. Even Russia is getting nibbled away at territory on its eastern flank but can't say anything: Putin is now too dependent on Xi Jingping's will to dare protesting. The case of the Islands Spratleys is very revelator some Chinese “fisherman’s boats” accost some islet and unload military, workers and materials. The islet is rapidly transformed in a military base where it’s is dangerous to approach and Philippines or Vietnam can only protest against this robbery. Satellites pictures show that very well. China is increasing constantly its military budget. When China will be enough strong that will be the moment for it to act more violently.

If I m fighting definitively the very agressive foreign policy led since so many years by russian government and its dictatorship on russian society, I must admit that its economic and tax policies were very clever and very friendly business.

On this point, I really want to thank Russian president Wladimir Wladimiroff Putin and his prime minister Dmtri Medvedev for the 500 millionth $, they used to give in 2013 to Renault Group for the increasing of its former Avtoframos moscovian plant.

I also personnally thank very much President Putin for having allowed the come back in his homeland in 2005 of the remains of white russian general Anton Denikin and those from his wife too
( General Denikin used to be the chief of staff of Russian tsarist armies on the Western Front during WW1 and he used to be the chief of all white armies in Ukraine and Southern Russia during Russian civil war which used to fight against bolcheviks troops of Lenin and Trotsky ).

my society is producing in Shanghai China in association with chinese car maker Dongfeng ( a chinese state society )
That is actually a very bad thing for Renault, France and the West motivated by greed and short term profit/vision, yet a good and smart move from China. It's also responsible of some of our current problems since this mode of working is perfectly made for technology theft.
Hi dear Eric ! How are you ? Well you know it makes a long since Chinese societies started to invest in european economy sometimes for the worse which used to be the case when they invested in french vineyards and sometimes for the best : for example , the Geely society which belongs to Chinese billionar Li Shu Fu, the chinese Elon Musk, is controlling Volvo and Renault Trucks car trade marks since 2010 and Volvo s production increased from 100% during this time thanks to chinese very open minded management which lets all place to creation so as to reach the business goal expected. Geely is also the owner of Lynk and co electric car trade mark sold in Eu since a very few years and they are also the first invest partner of Daimler Benz Mercedes german car trade mark since 2019 and Renault Group used to sign with Geely on january 2022 , a giant business contract of 15 billionth dollars for the production of hybrid and electric cars in Southern Korea and China
( in Hengzhou , the seat of Geely )

I also personnally thank very much President Putin for having allowed the come back in his homeland in 2005 of the remains of white russian general Anton Denikin and those from his wife too
( General Denikin used to be the chief of staff of Russian tsarist armies on the Western Front during WW1 and he used to be the chief of all white armies in Ukraine and Southern Russia during Russian civil war which used to fight against bolcheviks troops of Lenin and Trotsky ).

Billa , you forgot to thank Putin to murder a lot of Russian personalities emigrated in the west.
The inconvenient to write a text is that the words stay written somewhere. Please read at new your previous posts. What could have made you change your attitude Billa? You are stupid? Are you being blackmailed? Or have you been corrupted? Or may be you was victim of a stroke?


Hi dear Eric ! How are you ?
You are quite boring with your insinuations.

Well you know it makes a long since Chinese societies started to invest in european economy
It's not like I most likely have pointed out multiple times in the last few years how useless is the EU when China took over Greece with an "investment".


Billa , you forgot to thank Putin to murder a lot of Russian personalities emigrated in the west.
The inconvenient to write a text is that the words stay written somewhere. Please read at new your previous posts. What could have made you change your attitude Billa? You are stupid? Are you being blackmailed? Or have you been corrupted? Or may be you was victim of a stroke?
That was interesting to ask you if you could find any good thing about these countries. You seem genuinely unable not to go on a rant, spit on labeled bad" things and show very dogmatic traits here, to the point that you can't see that stating a good point doesn't dismiss any criticisms that were made before and as much as I find Billa despisable and no less sectarist, that something that should be acknowledged here that he is at least not yet falling totally into manicheism.

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I also personnally thank very much President Putin for having allowed the come back in his homeland in 2005 of the remains of white russian general Anton Denikin and those from his wife too
( General Denikin used to be the chief of staff of Russian tsarist armies on the Western Front during WW1 and he used to be the chief of all white armies in Ukraine and Southern Russia during Russian civil war which used to fight against bolcheviks troops of Lenin and Trotsky ).

Billa , you forgot to thank Putin to murder a lot of Russian personalities emigrated in the west.
The inconvenient to write a text is that the words stay written somewhere. Please read at new your previous posts. What could have made you change your attitude Billa? You are stupid? Are you being blackmailed? Or have you been corrupted? Or may be you was victim of a stroke?


Good night dear Anil ! How are you ?.In fact, I used to be possessed by the very evil spirit of president Wladimir Wladimiroff Putin ( you obviously know that he's the human face of the Antecrist on Earth described by the holy bible 2 thousand years ago ! ) but fortunately, my exorcist's priester friend Eric succeeded in escaping my soul from his evil.influence ! Allelujah !

Séance d'exorcisme - Abbé Eric, prêtre exorciste / Abbé Eric Chapelle St Expedit & St Padre Pio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6vK34kO5KQ

As you can see on my video, my exorcist s priester friend Éric is training himself so as to exorcize Mrs Marguerita Simonian, the very famous russian tv propagandist and saving her soul from Putin s very evil influence.
ps : my friend is working in Rennes in Britanny and not so far from Vannes, the city where mr Lianschen is living and if this last one felt that Bhl s spirit was trying to pervert his own soûl and spirit , I would be gkad to give him the phone number of my friend !

lianshen, I have nothing against Russia, China or Iran or North Korea. I only say that their governments are corrupted and criminal. According to you I felt in the Manichaeism, that’s to say I only see the things in good or bad without nuance. May be, but concerning such criminals that threaten even our democracies and represent the return to the reign of the violence I can’t find something good to say about these regimes. You can see yourself what’s happened. Their harmfulness is incomparable with the defects of the occidental systems. As for Billa's wacky remarks, they are enough to discredit himself.

lianshen, I have nothing against Russia, China or Iran or North Korea. I only say that their governments are corrupted and criminal. According to you I felt in the Manichaeism, that’s to say I only see the things in good or bad without nuance. May be, but concerning such criminals that threaten even our democracies and represent the return to the reign of the violence I can’t find something good to say about these regimes. You can see yourself what’s happened. Their harmfulness is incomparable with the defects of the occidental systems. As for Billa's wacky remarks, they are enough to discredit himself.
Hi dear Anil , bonjour cher Anil ! How are you ? Comment allez vous ? It seems that they did not learn you much about the sens of humor in St Petersburg's troll school of Mr Prigozhin ! Well, if we come back to the real topic of this political forum as would say this dear mr Lianschen or Mr Eric ( Zemmour ), I got my own opinion about this conflict about Russian and Ukrainian governments : well we all know it started in 2014 when Russian government decided to take control of the whole Crimea Peninsula and provoking army uprising among russian community in some districts of the Donbass area. On that way , Russian government used to practise the same method as the german nazis before Ww2 in Austria and former Tschekoslowakia but the roots of this conflict were already existing even if Russian government used to spread oil on them at that time !

Since 2014, many people from these disputed regions between Russian and Ukrainian governments came as refugees in the Eu and it is always very interesting to ask them their opinion about a conflict whose they are the first innocents victims !

My opinion is that if Russian and Ukrainian governments really want to put an end to that bloody conflict between their both countries, they should let for a short time, all the Ukrainian territories occupied now by Russian army under the control of the United Nations administration and forces ( Indian, Brasilian and Indonesian troops would be very good for this job ) so as to give time to all refugees to come back home and organizing a real and democratic vote concerning the future of those territories with all populations concerned but of course , the problem is that too many people got a huge interest to make that war last as long as possible!

lianshen, I have nothing against Russia, China or Iran or North Korea. I only say that their governments are corrupted and criminal. According to you I felt in the Manichaeism, that’s to say I only see the things in good or bad without nuance. May be, but concerning such criminals that threaten even our democracies and represent the return to the reign of the violence I can’t find something good to say about these regimes. You can see yourself what’s happened. Their harmfulness is incomparable with the defects of the occidental systems. As for Billa's wacky remarks, they are enough to discredit himself.
Yet when asked, you seem unable to conceed any good point to these countries and when someone else seemingly does, you are acting like if it was an outrage. On the other side, you have the audacity to call our countries democracies when they simply are not. They may be less bad on some points, but France is basically following China on many things, usually on the worst side like tracking people, and has near 0 independence making it's already flawed voting system almsot useless.

As for what I see, yep, I saw 2 shitty countries in wars because of another crappy one with its bunch of puppets, the whole thing being at the expense of "normal" people.

I wish peace for us all. I am very sad about war.

I wish peace for us all. I am very sad about war.
Gute nacht liebe dog2024 ! Ich danke sie sehr fur ihren Frieden Nachricht und ich wünsche sie auch einen schonen Sonntag, ein schones Gottesdienst und endlich der beste in ihrem Leben ! Ihr François!😘

I’ am also sad about this war but will definitely not take sides with the aggressors No Lianshen, there is no good point in the Russian politics and that of his allies. I never pretended that democracies are perfect. Democracies allowed the anti-democracy to say their opinions but dictatorship never allowed to the democrats to say what they think. According to you, France is following China on the worst side? Of course it’s another of your lies. What do you think about the Uighur genocide or the repression in Honk Hong? You see two shitty countries at war because of another? That’s propaganda, the only country of shit responsible of this tragedy is Putin’s and his band of killers.

there is no good point in the Russian politics and that of his allies.
Which makes you a dogmatic. QED.

I never pretended that democracies are perfect.
Admitting there are democracies, which is definitely not the case of France which is a Republic and at very best an oligarchy/plutocracy like most of the systems.

Democracies allowed the anti-democracy to say their opinions but dictatorship never allowed to the democrats to say what they think.
By blocking their medias and forming an active propaganda just like the labeled dictatorhips.

According to you, France is following China on the worst side? Of course it’s another of your lies.
"muh muh lie" is not an answer per se.

What do you think about the Uighur genocide or the repression in Honk Hong?
One should be more critical here:
- Is it as the western medias say; or is it different? Can't Uighur or Hong Kongeses live nicely?

While you talk about a genocide, I've never seen it and this topic only became fashion a few years ago whiel other political matters were touchy in Europe... The problem however has been in China for decades without people like you giving a damn about it, so maybe that's also to be looked upon?
What I see there is an ethnocide with Han Chineses being encouraged to migrate to these places and slowly diluate Uighurs and their separatist tendency as well as cutlural difference that sometimes bring instability to be lowered. If this is criticizable, and it is, it is however not as bad as what France as done after the Revolution with literral massacres, including in Vendée and Brittany. Yet, nobody will whine about how France is bad for destroying the cultures of its provinces and still does try. Same for "replacement, it's bad in China, but not in Europe? That's hypocrite.

Now come to Hong Kong. Yep, there are a shit ton of problems in Hong Kong. The very first is that English did absolute shit before retroceding the territory to promote instability through education, which is actually typical of the perfidious Albion...
This apart, there is now a great difference between the territory and "mainland China" making it difficult to incorporate properly. China plays kind of dirty there and it should be pointed out, BUT... how did the repression occur? By implementing policies that are currently ont heir way in EU!
So you dare tell that I'm lying without counter argument, while using HK as an example despite it totally supporting my point..

One of the very interesting point with repression in HG is tracking. HEre, you can have 2 striking examples :
- The multiplication of cameras in the streets on the ground that you have to get more security for citizens. ==> totally happening in France right now.
- Forbidding cash and/or strongly promoting dematerialized way of payment ==> very much happenign in EU with gradual removal of cash on the ground of fighting money laundering.

Another point is using violence disproportionally against people. Hong Kong/China has been pointed out about that, but what about France..? Yep, yep yep yep, same for France. Well, except in Mayotte where the French government left the locals getting invaded by Comorians with colonial motives, transforming the island into a litteral shithole like a kind of GTA area with no water, no proper road... oops, sounds like the Uighur problem in maybe more machiavelic to me.

That’s propaganda, the only country of shit responsible of this tragedy is Putin’s and his band of killers.
Propaganda here is essentially to show one side as the bad side and the other as the good one. THat's manichean and dogmatic.
For what I've seen, the US and Europe (though its ass-licking mentality) definitely are responsible for this war as well and the US promoted it. When a crime occurs, I suggest you to look who gets benefits from it.