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I’m impressed by this very powerful demonstration of propaganda of our Chinese friend. Yet it’s not in repeating how innocent countries like Russia, China or Iran are victims of the cruel and corrupted occident that push them to murderous actions that you could convince somebody well informed. These three countries are the champions of capital punishment and censorship, their leaders represent certainly not the people.
Thus there are other values than those of Western countries? May be the right to shut up or being jailed or killed in case of disagreement like in these three countries Don’t lie ARGHD the first killer of Chinese people was the communist government itself not the NATO. And you Lianshen, do you realize in the shit we would be if we let Putin winning in Ukraine? If you are really a French you spit on our national values that effectively are very occidental.
Time will speak , Wait a little, you can see what’s happening actually in Russia. Yet Prigozhin can’t be suspected to be helped by NATO.
BREAKING //// RUSSIA IN THE BALANCE, FORMER WORLD SUPERPOWER FACES IT'S WORST CRISIS YET
ПОСЛЕДНИЕ //// РОССИЯ В БАЛАНСЕ, БЫВШАЯ МИРОВАЯ СВЕРХДЕРЖАВА СТОЛКНУЛАСЬ С САМЫМ СИЛЬНЫМ КРИЗИСОМ
Amazing. A few "men" playing global chess, flirting with nukes, and 7 billion people who don't want war just watch. We're even stupid enough to take sides and provide idiotic youtube links to "prove" points. Come on, man, if we want to survive, maybe war should be a thing of the past. Where are the citizens, the Europeans, the Americans, the Russians, saying "You make wars, you're out!"? Aren't these leaders our paid servants?
Yes the leaders are supposed to be the servants of their people and are paid for that. It’s not exactly the case of Putin who steals his own country, possess the first fortune of the world and brandishes the nuclear threat when he doesn't get the results he hoped.
You're focusing on Putin. What about USA's leaders and planners? Putin is responding to beligerents on his doorstep. What would USA do if Russia had nukes in Cuba? Oh, right. We already know.
The USA leaders can be replaced and even have problems with justice. Putin must be assassinated to be forced out the Kremlin. This dictator follows mad dreams of "Big Russia" and don't care about the wellbeing of the people. Europe already has Russian nuclear weapon in the middle of its territory and never made a "special operation" to avoid that.
This dictator follows mad dreams of "Big Russia" and don't care about the wellbeing of the people...That is just a claim you are making. Let's use evidence. This invasion is not expansionist, but a direct response to NATO moving eastward to Russia's border. This was illegal, but provoked. Russia's security concerns were being ignored. Putin has said for decades that Ukraine is a red line. Many, many in the West have said NATO (not a defensive organization) expanding eastward would prompt a reaction from Russia the same way USA reacted when Soviet missiles were placed in Cuba. See the signatures on open letter to Clinton in the source I provide. (source: https://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997-06/arms-control-today/opposition-nato-expansion)
Anil, if you want to be taken seriously, you have to show that you are against all offences commited by any country, right? Otherwise we will think you are just propagandized against China.
Anil, also, to show you are informed, please tell us some good things about China. Otherwise we will think you are just propagandized and reading only negative stuff. Thanks.
I'll help you get started:
You are from France. Tell us how terrible France (you display a French flag) is for all those terrible things it did and still does in Africa.
If you care about coutries doing bad things, why pick on China? The list is very, very short there. Start with USA, move on to France, etc. Show us you have a balanced and realistic view of the world.
Anil, if you want to be taken seriously, you have to show that you are against all offences commited by any country, right? Otherwise we will think you are just propagandized against China.Good morning to everyone one here and I really hope that everything is all right for you whoever you are ! Well, as some customers of this political forum who are used to read my posts specially on this topic know, I am a a very small business executive of Renault or Reno ( for Russian and Ukrainian people ) french car maker and my society is producing in Shanghai China in association with chinese car maker Dongfeng ( a chinese state society ), the Dacia Spring which is one the most sold electric car in EU with Tesla 3 and Fiat 500 and I really thank chinese government and central and local direction of chinese communist Party for its financial and logistic support .Anil, also, to show you are informed, please tell us some good things about China. Otherwise we will think you are just propagandized and reading only negative stuff. Thanks.
I'll help you get started:
You are from France. Tell us how terrible France (you display a French flag) is for all those terrible things it did and still does in Africa.
If you care about coutries doing bad things, why pick on China? The list is very, very short there. Start with USA, move on to France, etc. Show us you have a balanced and realistic view of the world.
I particularly thank new chinese prime minister Li Qiang who used to be the local secretary of chinese communist party in Shanghai area for his pro business policy towards local and international societies settled on chinese territory in the past and now and also for his today's appeasement foreign policy towards the Us and EU and the rest of the Western world
...I really thank chinese government and central and local direction of chinese communist Party for its financial and logistic support .I have a friend here from Belgium and he has a company here too. He says exactly the same thing. The government really helped him set up his business in many ways. He loves being here.
Billa you have a very strange attitude: At one moment you shouted your hate against Putin and Russia and now you make praises to Chinese government. Don’t be naïve, a present from Xi Jingping has always a price. China is the first protector of Russia and a lot of totalitarian regimes.
Chinese method to invade his neighbors is certainly more subtle and vicious than the brutal Russian aggression. They invade slowly and try to corrupt all the political or economic leaders. Even Russia is getting nibbled away at territory on its eastern flank but can't say anything: Putin is now too dependent on Xi Jingping's will to dare protesting. The case of the Islands Spratleys is very revelator some Chinese “fisherman’s boats” accost some islet and unload military, workers and materials. The islet is rapidly transformed in a military base where it’s is dangerous to approach and Philippines or Vietnam can only protest against this robbery. Satellites pictures show that very well. China is increasing constantly its military budget. When China will be enough strong that will be the moment for it to act more violently.
China is Big.
中国了一大哥。
I don't think China is being played. It rather benefit the current war and get Russia as a vassal rather than an ally, or at least as a second while being first. Same if a war occured in Taiwan, I suppose that China would be, alongside the US, the winner at the expense of Taiwan and then other countries, uncluding european countries.是的，战争是美国政府维护统治的工具，这是一场骗局，欺骗的是中国的，台湾的，乌克兰的，欧洲的人民They are not endangered anymore, because the war clearly showed that the world is at least divided in two distinct sides nowadays, just like 30 years 40 years ago. What is sad is that the US is sacrifying EU with the wishful hjope to keep an hegemony it can't sustain, and that we, in Europe, follow it like puppets, isolating ourselves from the world and the industrial centers instead of working for ourselves. In case of France,it's even worse, we had all interests to side with Russia and China a while ago to keep a good balance of powers and a good country. Instead, we are becoming a shithole and wars occurs, killing Ukrainians now, Taiwaneses soon.The adhesion to NATO is always the same wrong argument to invade Ukraine. In reality NATO always refused to integrate Ukraine to avoid Putin’s anger. The first reason of this invasion is that this dictator couldn’t bear a democracy so close to him. That could give ideas of liberty to his own people. It’s exactly like for China with Taiwan. It’s a very bad example this free island near a country leads by a communist regime. I absolutely agree with you AttaFromChina: The interests of the country should be represented by the people and it’s not the case in Russia or China.And in fact, NATO member states are waging wars everywhere, endangering the world. Ukraine's failure to enter NATO is not because NATO avoids provoking Russia, but because Russia interrupted the Western plan to let Ukraine enter NATO to invade Russia. The unipolar hegemonic thinking of the Western world is clear to people all over the world, and China, Russia, Iran, and other countries are all countries deeply endangered by the Western world
而且事实上，北约的成员国四处发动战争，危害这个世界，乌克兰没有进入北约并不是因为北约避免惹怒俄罗斯，而是俄罗斯打断了西方让乌克兰进入北约以侵略俄罗斯的计划图，西方世界的单极霸权思维全世界人民看的很清楚，中国、俄罗斯、伊朗以及其它国家都是深受西方世界危害的国家
The only thing is that China doesn't need to start a war or isn't willing, at least for now.
I’m impressed by this very powerful demonstration of propaganda of our Chinese friend. Yet it’s not in repeating how innocent countries like Russia, China or Iran are victims of the cruel and corrupted occident that push them to murderous actions that you could convince somebody well informed. These three countries are the champions of capital punishment and censorship, their leaders represent certainly not the people.The US trying to supress some journalists and other whistle blowers? Saudi Arabia and all other tyrannies implemented by the US or with its support? UK hiding grooming gangs and labeling them as Asians on purpose to make people think they are not pakis? (probably the same happen in France); France and Belgium bringing back terrorists ? 2005 referundum shat on by Sarkozy? Is there one politician by the way who doesn't have problem with justice in France? And then when there is "justice", it's just friends deliberating if they are guilty or not like in the case of Benala ? Hmmm I think there are way more champion of killing and corruption than you think. For sure Russia and China have very high level, but stop pretending that we aren't living in a kind of shithole ourselves.
Thus there are other values than those of Western countries? May be the right to shut up or being jailed or killed in case of disagreement like in these three countries
You don't need to kill in the West, you supress people socially. You make them being nothing or pariah, social outcast. Even having a slightly different opinion make you being an evil guy, just like you are trying to show hre with me contradicting your dogma, or with many other things in France.
And you Lianshen, do you realize in the shit we would be if we let Putin winning in Ukraine? If you are really a French you spit on our national values that effectively are very occidental.Please, give a look at what you and other senile people have done to France and the future generations before lecturing me on how I spit on national values. If your values are killing the parents, assassinating the children and selling of the country and/or destroying everything our ancestors have fought for us, then I happily spit on them and on people who made them.
Also, the like of you provoked this war and all the consequences it has with your stupids "we will make Russia fall" rhetoric.. The result : German economy is collapssing, finito the Mercedes, finito the only country (a leecher) that was doing okayish in our clownish """"union"""". Have you realized how you made our states fall quicker than they should have?
Yes the leaders are supposed to be the servants of their people and are paid for that. It’s not exactly the case of Putin who steals his own country, possess the first fortune of the world and brandishes the nuclear threat when he doesn't get the results he hoped.French policy is often dictated a way or another by the EU. EU leaders are elected by no people, and are accountable to no people of any country.
Then EU is puppet of the US which political system is also barely of any democracy and not accountable to its people.
Yes, we sure are better than in Russia, right? At least, we pretend to be nice.
Also, you don't seem to know the French nuclear policy... A shame though, because it's an old one and a very simple one consisting in a few words : You attack us, we nuke you.
my society is producing in Shanghai China in association with chinese car maker Dongfeng ( a chinese state society )That is actually a very bad thing for Renault, France and the West motivated by greed and short term profit/vision, yet a good and smart move from China. It's also responsible of some of our current problems since this mode of working is perfectly made for technology theft.
Billa you have a very strange attitude: At one moment you shouted your hate against Putin and Russia and now you make praises to Chinese government. Don’t be naïve, a present from Xi Jingping has always a price. China is the first protector of Russia and a lot of totalitarian regimes.Good morning dear Anil ! How are you ? Well, if you really read all my posts on this political forum, you would have noticed that I do not hate President Wladimir Wladimiroff Putin and his country Russia but I m just fighting the actual foreign policy of russian government and all the bad and sad consequences of this policy on life of so many people in so many countries all around the world !
Chinese method to invade his neighbors is certainly more subtle and vicious than the brutal Russian aggression. They invade slowly and try to corrupt all the political or economic leaders. Even Russia is getting nibbled away at territory on its eastern flank but can't say anything: Putin is now too dependent on Xi Jingping's will to dare protesting. The case of the Islands Spratleys is very revelator some Chinese “fisherman’s boats” accost some islet and unload military, workers and materials. The islet is rapidly transformed in a military base where it’s is dangerous to approach and Philippines or Vietnam can only protest against this robbery. Satellites pictures show that very well. China is increasing constantly its military budget. When China will be enough strong that will be the moment for it to act more violently.