The truth and lies of Ukraine

Lianshen, again, not now, but then. We don't know what in the head of Biden, we don't know what in the head of Polish president. But what we know? We know that the West is trying to help Ukraine to defeat Russia. Why? Is it because they love Ukraine? Very unlikely. Do they care about human rights? No! Nobody is talking now about human rights. Hell with them! Everybody is pursuing it's own goals. That's why Oxiu isn't right. I do care about casualties. But we all have to rise about interests and start to talk. Otherwise these discussions do not make any sense. Why we are discussing it, if politicians do not want to talk?

Good night to everyone here ! As I think that EU is already in war with Russian government because of the numerous russian terrorists attacks it had to face with these last months ( North Stream pipeline in eastern sea but also explosions in France this summer in 2 factories which were producing ammunitions for Ukraina and last month a giant cyber attack from russian hackers against a french hospital ).
As someone used to say here, we are on the verge of a third world war and this one could very quickly turn to a worldwide global nuclear war with a very few survivors and I ask me if those last one will not envy the destiny of the dead at the end of this judgement day conflict . After Armagedon, the problem of survival will be asked because of the very long nuclear Winter which will follow and the lack of food it will give and mankind might be forced to come back to extreme ways for finding necessary proteins to survive : I mean cannibalism !

Chatting with Cannibals | National Geographic / National Geographic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjfksDI980E

Many people told me that human meat looked like pig meat but I never had the chance to check this thing. I learnt very recently that a russian member of this group and a great fan of Russia,United Party which is still in power in this country, thought he would very soon kiss the faces of Rasputin,Lenin and Stalin in another world and as I noticed that he was a well built man and a great consumer of Wodka, I would be very interested in finding a gentlemen agreement with him.so as to have the noble pieces of his body and knowing how tasty his meat can be ! I would really like to improve and make french cooking survived. As you can see, after Ww3, it might be necessary to westerners to capture and kill russian soldiers or members and supports of Russia United not by pleasure or hate but just so as to satisfy our hunger. Have a good night !

Вовремя остановиться fly / Igor Samarsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MngUC46Dh_Y

The last time in a Western civilian world was on October 13th 1972 that people had to eat their own (dead comrades) in order to survive. At that time, a rugby team from Montevideo/Uruguay had a serious accident with an airplane and crashed into a mountain at an altitude of 3800 meters over the Andes while flying to an away game in Santiago de Chile/Chile. The last ones were rescued on Dec 22nd. 1972. That was a serious tragedy at the time.

Le burger XXL de Maïté 😵🍔 #INA #shorts / INA Culte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbMM5AoIYIg

Good morning to everyone ! As you can see here but you already know that, food is very important in France and it could become a very real and strong obsession if there was a lack of it ! Have a good day !

Vlad Puddin'... Nuke'n-Puke'n Hotsauce... Putin's Fine Sausage... Soviet-Style Baked Alaskan...

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In time for Halloween in the US! We eat people and do other scary things this time of year!

I just want to add another thing : someone here told me again that he thought I was a propagandist and I want to thank him again if he thinks that my humble contribution to these political forums can be compared to his own activity here. This same person blamed me for the use and choice of my topics but if you look well , they are all linked directly or undirectly to the subjects of these political forums and at last , I would advise to this person before criticizing my topics just have a look on his former ones because I m sorry I don t really see the link between defending the memory of Mouamar Kadhafi and promoting the cause of this so called great panarabic leader and the political forums of Russia in peace which is closed now and the true lies of Ukraine : if this person really wants to talk about such political subject, she d rather create his own political subject about it !

Sorry I meant she would rather create her own political forum here about it !

Lianshen, NATO said many things and many times that it's not going to expand to the Russian borders and what? Anybody surprised?

So Russia is indeed using the Nazi argument as an excuse. Thanks to confirm what I said.

But, many of Ukrainians have Polish citizenship. Many of them have Hungarian and Rumanian citizenship. Polish president and Ukrainian now are best friends. Do you think that they will be still friends when Ukraine will be shrink to small Western lands? Not now, but then.

Don't know what this has to do with my previous comments... Poland and Ukraine aren't best friends. Mostmy Poland is acting in its own interest and doesn't like Ukraine very much, but can get rid of grudge because it fears too much Russia, be it for good or bad reasons.

We don't know what in the head of Biden,

Yes we do: rotten cheese and worms, like for an old senile folk.

We know that the West is trying to help Ukraine to defeat Russia. Why? Is it because they love Ukraine? Very unlikely.

I already ggave potential reason for the "West" to help Ukraine, but that's, once again, not what I was aksing you. My question was, I repeat and quote :
"If Russia doesn't want to annex the Donbass and part of Ukraine, then why is it doing so and, most importantly, what is the reason of this war for no country in history is or has been thinking of others' interests before its own interests."

You talk about interests, but you never question Russia's ones.

Good night to everyone here ! As I think that EU is already in war with Russian government because of the numerous russian terrorists attacks it had to face with these last months ( North Stream pipeline in eastern sea but also explosions in France this summer in 2 factories which were producing ammunitions for Ukraina and last month a giant cyber attack from russian hackers against a french hospital ).

One must have serious problems to think that the destruction of the pipelines because of Russia is the most probable hypothesis and to claim it without any sort of evidence or argument. Same for the explosions; even mainstream medias don't dare to talk so much crap...
Only Lockbit can more or less be an argument, yet it's a team of hackers taht is not said to be with the Russian government.

As someone used to say here, we are on the verge of a third world war and this one could very quickly turn to a worldwide global nuclear war

Mainly because some people are unable not to be dimwits. Those are, strangely, mostly boomers and people who will simply have to hide at home if anything at home.
At your place, I wouldn't be so confident though, for, in France, we don't have many nuclear shelters.

Once again, you keep trashing a topic with a lot of offtopic non sensitical comments...

Lianshen, as I told, this war didn't start recently. It, started 8 years ago and maybe even earlier. In 2008 Putin in Munchen said - you didn't listened then, listen now. In the first row in a room sat many American officials and smiled. In 2014, after the coup in Ukraine, some of them were in Kiev. Is it a coincidence? I don't beleave in such coincidence. I don't beleave in color revolutions. Somebody making them to happen. So, the situation in Ukraine was created artificially. And not only in Ukraine. NATO countries came closer and closer to Russian borders. No matter what Russia tried to say, they didn't listen. They just did their job. Ukraine become so toxic to Russia, that Russia didn't have the other choice but to start this military operation. It's no use to say it anymore. The West does not listening. It became dangerous not to do anything. Maybe the ordinary people in the West don't know it, but NATO is know what is it doing. They broke the Northern pipeline and some are saying - maybe Russians did it! Wonderfull! With such a rhetoric I don't think we are getting anywhere. So, why talk? Like Borel said - we'll see it on a battlefield. I guess, that's where all discussions will end.

I already mentionned allyou said, yet, you still didn't answer my question.
If Russia doesn't want to annex Donbass, why is it doing so and what is the reason for such action since "fighting nazis" is absolutely unbelievable as a real motive.

What you suggest, if your post is an answer, is then the same as me: Russia is taking over Ukraine not to fight Nazis, but to get some sort of territorial integrity/to protect Moscow a little more by pushing its border to the Carpathian.

As for the pipeline, it's possible that Russia did it and some argument are in favour of this hypothesis, although it is way elss probable than the US acting, once again, against the interests of everyone.

Lianshen, again, do you think it's a good arguments? Do you see how many crazy people are here? Don't you think that in the cabinet of Biden there are nor such people? Does Russia wants to take Donbass? What do you think? It would be so stupid not to take it! Why not? Are we still talking about human rights or we forgot about it? Are we still talking about international law? What kind of the world we are living now? There are nor rules! Now is the rule of the powerful. We can't play this game any more. There have to be some rules! If there no rules, then how we can play? What kind of the game we are playing? That is the question. Did Russia start this operation in Ukraine? What do you think? But why? Why nobody is asking why the USA started the war in Yugoslavia, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya? Everybody understands it? There are thousand questions, but nobody seems to try to answer them. So, why ask why? It's very complicated. But the fact is, these questions could be solved very easily! But nobody wants it to stop. Why? Why is China the problem? Why? What kind of threat it can be to the West? Millions of questions, but nobody wants to answer them. Why?

Lianshen, again, do you think it's a good arguments? Do you see how many crazy people are here? Don't you think that in the cabinet of Biden there are nor such people? Does Russia wants to take Donbass? What do you think? It would be so stupid not to take it! Why not? Are we still talking about human rights or we forgot about it? Are we still talking about international law? What kind of the world we are living now? There are nor rules! Now is the rule of the powerful. We can't play this game any more. There have to be some rules! If there no rules, then how we can play? What kind of the game we are playing? That is the question. Did Russia start this operation in Ukraine? What do you think? But why? Why nobody is asking why the USA started the war in Yugoslavia, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya? Everybody understands it? There are thousand questions, but nobody seems to try to answer them. So, why ask why? It's very complicated. But the fact is, these questions could be solved very easily! But nobody wants it to stop. Why? Why is China the problem? Why? What kind of threat it can be to the West? Millions of questions, but nobody wants to answer them. Why?

Still not answering my question. One last time:

If Russia doesn't want to annex Donbass, why is it doing so and what is the reason for such actions? Especially since "fighting nazis" is absolutely unbelievable as a real motive.

By not answering, you're just proving the point of the people you call "westerners".