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Taiwan's interests should be respected.

The chinese is gonna invade taowan and its scary
Taiwan Province has been the territory of China since ancient times.In ancient China, it was generally called Liuqiu/Yizhou
Please observe the one China principle.
Is 500 years ancient? Because as far as I remember, Taiwan really became something for China when the Ming government escaped (remind me of something..) to Taiwan when the Mandchu invaded the country. Prior to that, it wasn't really something for China.

Taiwan's interests should be respected.
Taiwan's interests is to get of mainland back. China's interest is also to grab back Taiwan. Let's them solvve thhis as peacefully as possible without adding oil to the fire.

Let the Phillipines in their own interests join China as well.

Let the Phillipines in their own interests join China as well.
Waht the Philippines does in its own interests doesn't concern thhe US much. Unlike the US destroying Nordstream 1 & 2 in Europe, betraying its "allies" there.

There is nothing to say about Taiwan. I understand your curiosity about our country's problems, but please remember:
1: Taiwan will always be a part of China. No matter what aspect, no matter how the government in Taiwan tries to deny this point
2: No foreign power has the power to completely split Taiwan, whether it is political, economic, public opinion or military
3: Never underestimate the confidence of the CPC, the people of Chinese Mainland and the patriotic people of Taiwan in achieving the complete reunification of China, no matter what attitude of the Chinese you meet
关于台湾,没什么太多好说的,我很理解你们对我们国家的问题很好奇,但请你们记住:
1:台湾永远是中国的一部分,无论是什么方面上,无论台湾地区的政府如何尝试着否定这一点
2:任何外国的势力都没有这实力让台湾彻底分裂出去,无论是政治经济舆论还是军事
3:永远不要低估中国共产党,中国大陆人民和台湾爱国人民对实现中国完全统一的信心,无论你们遇到的中国人是什么态度

In other words... Don't Do It. 换句话说……不要这样做。

CNN - War game suggests Chinese invasion of Taiwan would fail at a huge cost to US, Chinese and Taiwanese militaries./CNN - 兵棋推演表明中国入侵台湾将失败,美国、中国和台湾军队将付出巨大代价


"A Chinese invasion of Taiwan in 2026 would result in thousands of casualties among Chinese, United States, Taiwanese and Japanese forces, and it would be unlikely to result in a victory for Beijing, according to a prominent independent Washington think tank, which conducted war game simulations of a possible conflict that is preoccupying military and political leaders in Asia and Washington./如果中国在 2026 年入侵台湾,将导致中国、美国、台湾和日本军队伤亡数千人,而且北京不太可能取得胜利,”华盛顿一家著名的独立智库表示,该智库进行了战争 模拟一场可能发生的冲突,这场冲突正困扰着亚洲和华盛顿的军事和政治领导人。“


"A war over Taiwan could leave a victorious US military in as crippled a state as the Chinese forces it defeated./一场关于台湾的战争可能会让获胜的美军陷入与它击败的中国军队一样的瘫痪状态。"

"At the end of the conflict, at least two US aircraft carriers would lie at the bottom of the Pacific and China’s modern navy, which is the largest in the world, would be in 'shambles.'/冲突结束时,至少有两艘美国航空母舰将沉没在太平洋底部,而世界上最大的现代海军将陷入'混乱'。"


" 'The United States and Japan lose dozens of ships, hundreds of aircraft, and thousands of service members. Such losses would damage the US global position for many years,' the report said. In most scenarios, the US Navy lost two aircraft carriers and 10 to 20 large surface combatants. Approximately 3,200 US troops would be killed in three weeks of combat, nearly half of what the US lost in two decades of combat in Iraq and Afghanistan./ '美国和日本损失了数十艘船只、数百架飞机和数千名军人。 这种损失将损害美国多年的全球地位,‘ 报告称。 在大多数情况下,美国海军损失了两艘航空母舰和 10 到 20 艘大型水面战舰。 大约 3,200 名美军将在三周的战斗中阵亡,几乎是美国在伊拉克和阿富汗二十年战斗中损失的一半。"

" 'China also suffers heavily. Its navy is in shambles, the core of its amphibious forces is broken, and tens of thousands of soldiers are prisoners of war,' it said. The report estimated China would suffer about 10,000 troops killed and lose 155 combat aircraft and 138 major ships./ '中国也深受其害。 它的海军一团糟,两栖部队的核心被打破,数以万计的士兵成为战俘,' 它说。 报告估计,中国将损失约10,000名士兵,损失155架战斗机和138艘主要舰船。"


" 'While Taiwan’s military is unbroken, it is severely degraded and left to defend a damaged economy on an island without electricity and basic services,' the report. The island’s army would suffer about 3,500 casualties, and all 26 destroyers and frigates in its navy will be sunk, the report said./ '虽然台湾的军队完好无损,但已严重退化,只能在没有电力和基本服务的岛上保卫受损的经济,' 报告称。 报道称,该岛陆军将遭受约3500人伤亡,其海军中的所有26艘驱逐舰和护卫舰将被击沉。"

"Japan is likely to lose more than 100 combat aircraft and 26 warships while US military bases on its home territory come under Chinese attack, the report found./报告发现,日本可能会损失 100 多架战斗机和 26 艘军舰,而其本土的美国军事基地将受到中国的攻击。"

"But CSIS said it did not want its report to imply a war over Taiwan 'is inevitable or even probable.'/但 CSIS 表示,它不希望其报告暗示台湾战争 ' 不可避免,甚至可能发生 '。"

“ 'The Chinese leadership might adopt a strategy of diplomatic isolation, gray zone pressure, or economic coercion against Taiwan,' it said./ ' 但 CSIS 表示,它不希望其报告暗示台湾战争 ' 不可避免,甚至可能发生。"

"Dan Grazier, a senior defense policy fellow at the Project on Government Oversight (POGO), sees an outright Chinese invasion of Taiwan as extremely unlikely. Such a military operation would immediately disrupt the imports and exports upon which the Chinese economy relies for its very survival, Grazier told CNN, and interrupting this trade risks the collapse of the Chinese economy in short order. China relies on imports of food and fuel to drive their economic engine, Grazier said, and they have little room to maneuver./政府监督项目 (POGO) 的高级国防政策研究员丹·格拉齐尔 (Dan Grazier) 认为,中国大陆完全入侵台湾的可能性极小。 Grazier 告诉美国有线电视新闻网,这样的军事行动将立即扰乱中国经济赖以生存的进出口,中断这种贸易可能会导致中国经济在短期内崩溃。 Grazier 说,中国依靠进口食品和燃料来驱动他们的经济引擎,他们几乎没有回旋余地。"

" 'There is no ‘Ukraine model’ for Taiwan,' the report said, referring to how US and Western aid slowly trickled in to Ukraine well after Russia’s invasion of its neighbor started and no US or NATO troops are actively fighting against Russia./ ' 台湾没有 ‘ 乌克兰模式 ’ , 报告说,指的是美国和西方的援助是如何在俄罗斯开始入侵其邻国并且没有美国或北约军队积极与俄罗斯作战之后很久才慢慢流入乌克兰的。"

As for the so-called deduction you saw, I can only say that if you really understand the current level of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, then you will know that the so-called impossible victory of Beijing is a complete mistake.
In the Asia-Pacific region, especially in the Taiwan Strait region, the US military has no strength to defeat the PLA. Imagine that the Nimitz aircraft carrier strike group will face a total of hundreds of high-speed missiles YJ12 and hypersonic missiles YJ21, as well as the DF26D specially tailored for the United States aircraft carrier. In the face of these very difficult to intercept, high hit rate, and a very large number of missiles, what qualifications will the United States, Taiwan, or Japan's water forces survive? (What's more, we have a very large advanced naval fleet)
What's more, the most advanced EP3 AWACS in the United States are few in the Asia-Pacific region, and the KJ500 and other very advanced AWACS with far more performance and quantity than EP3 will have no chance to survive in the face of the J20 equipped with PL15, even if there are more F35 and F22. What's more, we have other aircraft that can carry air combat missiles with a longer range than the United States missiles. China is not Russia. After seizing the air supremacy, a large number of search-and-strike integrated drones and cruise missiles will carry out high-intensity, rapid and accurate strikes against the Taiwan puppet army over Taiwan, which has lost its air defense capability. The Taiwan puppet army is unlikely to be able to resist us
Today is 2023. You are facing the PLA in 2023. Don't think today is 1996,2001, 2016,1901! China is no longer a country to be slaughtered!
关于你看到的所谓推演,我只能那么说,如果你真的了解中国人民解放军现在的水平,那么,你就会知道,所谓北京不可能取胜是一个彻头彻尾的错误。
在亚太地区,尤其是台海地区,美军没有任何实力能够战胜解放军。试想一下,尼米兹航母打击群要面对的是总共上百枚的高速导弹YJ12和高超音速导弹YJ21,以及专门为美国航母量身定制的DF26D,面对这些非常难以拦截,命中率很高,而且数量非常多的导弹,美国,台湾,或者日本的水上力量将有什么资格存活下来?(更何况我们还有非常庞大的先进海军舰队)
更何况,美国最先进的EP3预警机在亚太地区屈指可数,而且要面对的是性能和数量远超过EP3的KJ500以及其它很先进的预警机,那么就算再多的F35,F22,在装备了PL15的J20面前将毫无机会存活,更何况我们还有其它能带比美国导弹射程更远的空战导弹的飞机。中国不是俄罗斯,在夺取制空权后,大量的查打一体无人机和巡飞弹将在失去防空能力的台湾上空对台伪军进行高强度快速精准打击,台伪军没有可能能够抵抗我们
今天是2023年,你们面对的是2023年的解放军,不要以为今天是1996 ,2001,2016,1901!中国已经不再是任人宰割的国家了!

China has been trying to reduce its dependence on foreign countries, especially on the western world, and the effect has become more and more obvious in recent years.
Indeed, if the war to liberate Taiwan is launched now, it is impossible for China's economy to remain unaffected under the manipulation of the White House
Therefore, we will not launch a war now. With the passage of time, the United States has reduced its control over the world and the political differences within the United States have become more and more serious. Even if the puppet government of Taiwan forces us to launch a war, the impact on our economy will not be as serious as you can see
Do you still believe the western media's funny statement about Xinjiang? I haven't never seen the life of Xinjiang people. There is no bullshit slavery. The fruits there are very popular in China. Many Chinese people use various ways to help Xinjiang people become richer. Xinjiang is getting better day by day!
On the contrary, the United States has used private prisons to engage in new slavery, massacre Indians, and embezzle the money of Chinese enterprises to support the World Uighur Association, which has been recognized as a terrorist organization by the United Nations. Oh, by the way, it seems that the Americans are not able to provide assistance after the Afghan Taliban regain power?
Don't take COVID-19 as a pity for the Chinese people. Please hurry Biden to allocate funds to Ohio first=)
中国一直在尝试降低对外依赖度,尤其是对西方世界的依赖,而且近些年来效果越来越明显。
的确,如果现在发动解放台湾的战争,那么在白宫的操纵下,中国的经济不可能不受到影响
所以,我们现在不会发动,而随着时间推移,美国对全世界控制力的降低,以及美国内部政治分歧越来越大,就算台湾伪政府逼迫我们发动战争,对我们经济的影响也不会像你看到的那样严重
还在相信西方媒体关于新疆的简直好笑的说法呢?我又不是没见过新疆人民的生活,那里没有狗屁奴隶制,那里的水果在全中国都很畅销,有很多的中国人利用各种方式在帮助新疆人民变得更富有,新疆一天比一天好!
反倒是美国,借着私人监狱搞新奴隶制,屠杀印第安人,克扣中国企业的钱去支持被联合国确认是恐怖组织的世界维吾尔协会,哦,顺便一提,阿富汗塔利班重新掌权后好像美国人不太能给援助了吧?
不要拿新冠病毒来好像很可怜中国人民的样子了,先催一催拜登给俄亥俄州拨款吧=)

I don't know why you raised this question, but as a Chinese student, there has never been an "independent government" in Taiwan. The "Republic of China" in Taiwan has no legal seat in the United Nations in 1971. Even your US government has severed diplomatic relations with the puppet government of Taiwan in 1979 and has established diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China (seven years after Nixon's visit to China). There is no doubt that the People's Republic is the only legitimate government in China, while the so-called "diplomatic countries" in Taiwan have decreased year by year(That's why the Vatican is famous. Ha ha.) This further shows that more and more countries do not recognize Taiwan as an independent country, so we can only conclude that the Taiwan issue is a domestic issue of the People's Republic of China, so please don't let external forces dictate (I didn't say what kind of force it is, don't take the right seat oh ha ha)

The chinese is gonna invade taowan and its scary
Taiwan Province has been the territory of China since ancient times.In ancient China, it was generally called Liuqiu/Yizhou
Please observe the one China principle.
Is 500 years ancient? Because as far as I remember, Taiwan really became something for China when the Ming government escaped (remind me of something..) to Taiwan when the Mandchu invaded the country. Prior to that, it wasn't really something for China.

Taiwan's interests should be respected.
Taiwan's interests is to get of mainland back. China's interest is also to grab back Taiwan. Let's them solvve thhis as peacefully as possible without adding oil to the fire.
500?Taiwan Province was recorded in China during the Sui Dynasty, which has been more than 1000 years since then.

哦,看上去我的问题用英语不大妥当。但是我发现许多网友对历史不大了解,我来科普一下。
台湾有文字记载的历史可以追溯到公元230年。当时三国吴王孙权派1万官兵到达“夷洲”(台湾),吴人沈莹的《临海水土志》留下了世界上对台湾最早的记述。隋唐时期(公元589—618年)称台湾为“流求”。隋王朝曾三次出师台湾。据史籍记载,610年(隋大业六年)汉族人民开始移居澎湖地区。到宋元时期(公元960一1368年),汉族人民在澎湖地区已有相当数量。汉人开拓澎湖以后,开始向台湾发展,带去了当时先进的生产技术。公元12世纪,宋朝将澎湖划归福建泉州晋江县管辖,并派兵戍守。元朝也曾派兵前往台湾。元、明两朝政府在澎湖设巡检司,负责巡逻、查缉罪犯,并兼办盐课。明朝后期开始出现台湾的名称。进入17世纪之后,汉人在台湾开拓的规模越来越大。在战乱和灾荒的年代,明朝政府的福建当局和郑芝龙集团曾经有组织地移民台湾。

16世纪,西班牙、荷兰等西方殖民势力迅速发展、开始把触角伸向东方。17世纪初,荷兰殖民者乘明末农民起义和东北满族势力日益强大、明政府处境艰难之时,侵入台湾。不久,西班牙人侵占了台湾北部和东部的一些地区,后于l642年被荷兰人赶走,台湾沦为荷兰的殖民地。荷兰殖民者实行强制统治,把土地据为己有,强迫人民缴纳各种租税,掠夺台湾的米、糖,把其收购到的中国生丝、糖和瓷器经台湾转口运往各国,牟取高额利润。荷兰殖民者的统治,激起了台湾人民的反抗。1652年9月,农民领袖郭怀一领导了一次较大规模的武装起义。这次武装起义虽然被镇压下去,但它表明荷兰的殖民统治已经出现危机。

郑成功

1644年,清军入关,在北京建立清朝政权。1661年4月,郑成功以南明王朝招讨大将军的名义,率2.5万将士及数百艘战舰,由金门进军台湾。郑成功在进军台湾时,向荷兰殖民者表示台湾“一向属于中国”,台湾和澎湖这两个“岛屿的居民都是中国人,他们自古以来占有和耕种这一土地”,荷兰“自应把它归还原主。”经过激烈战斗和围困,1662年2月,郑成功迫使荷兰总督揆一签字投降。郑成功从荷兰殖民者手中收复了中国领土台湾,成为一位伟大的民族英雄,受到广大人民的敬仰。

郑成功收复台湾后仅4个月即病逝。郑氏政权把大陆的政治、文教制度移植台湾,重视土地开发和兴修水利,发展对外贸易,促进了台湾经济的发展。到郑氏政权末期,台湾的汉族人口已达12万人。

郑氏政权末期与清政府处于军事对峙状态。清政府平定大陆后,开始谋划进攻台湾,曾经采取招抚方针,企图说服郑氏降清未果。郑氏政权曾多次反攻大陆沿海地区,至1678年秋郑军战败,所占领的东南沿海州县全部丧失,随即完全退守台湾。此时,清朝政府统治中国已成定局,郑氏政权逐步演变成为地方割据政权。1683年7月8日,清政府派福建水师提督施琅率水陆官兵2万余人、战船200余艘,从铜山向澎湖、台湾进发。清军向澎湖守军发起攻击,郑军溃败。郑成功之孙郑克<土加爽>(此字打不出来)率众归顺清政府。

1684年,清政府设置分巡台厦兵备道及台湾府,隶属于福建省。至1811年,台湾人口已达190万,其中多数是来自福建、广东的移民。移民大量开垦荒地,使台湾成为一个新兴的农业区域,并向大陆提供大量稻米和蔗糖,由大陆输入的日用消费品和建筑材料等,使台湾的经济得到相当程度的发展。这个时期.台湾与福建、广东的来往十分密切.中华文化更加全面地传入台湾。

1840年英国发动侵略中国的鸦片战争以后,西方列强逼迫中国开放通商口岸。19世纪60年代.台湾的淡水、鸡笼、安平、打狗相继开港、进口以鸦片为大宗,出口则以茶、糖、樟脑为主。

l9世纪70年代,实行明治维新后的日本开始对外“开疆拓土”。向南把琉球和台湾作为扩张的目标,声称台湾是“土番”居住区.是“无主之地”,不在中国主权之下。清政府—再申明:“台湾全地久隶我国版图”,“全台郡之生番,无一社不归中国者”。1874年1月、日军入侵台湾。10月,中日签订《北京专条》,虽然软弱的清政府对日本作出妥协,但《北京专条》仍表明中国对整个台湾行使主权。此后.清朝官员提出台湾设省的建议。

由于西方列强向中国边疆侵逼中国出现了边疆危机。1884—1885年中法战争期间,法军进攻台湾。遭刘铭传率军重创。到1885年6月《中法新约》签定,法军被迫撤出台湾。 刘铭传

中法战争以后,清政府为了加强海防,于1885年将台湾划为单一行省,台湾成为中国第20个行省。首任台湾省巡抚刘铭传积极推行自强新政,清理田赋,增加财政收入,购买轮船,架设电报线,设立邮电总局,建造铁路;购买军舰,增设炮台。设立机器局自造武器;成立煤务局,安装新式采煤机器;设立兴市公司,建街造路;创立西学堂、电报学堂,培养建设人才。刘铭传把众多新式事业集中于一省,使台湾成为当时中国的先进省份之一。

l894年日本发动甲午战争,翌年清政府战败,于4月17日被迫签订丧权辱国的《马关条约》,把台湾割让给日本。消息传出后,举国同愤,反对割台;台湾全省“哭声震天”,鸣锣罢市。协理台湾军务的清军将领刘永福等率军民反抗日本的侵占.坚持了5个多月的战斗,历经大小百余仗,使日本侵略者付出了惨重的代价,但终遭失败。从此,台湾沦为日本的殖民地达50年之久。

日本在台湾实行总督专制的统治体制,建立严密的警察制度,控制台湾社会,并且利用保甲制度作为警察政治的辅助工具。1937年日本发动全面侵华战争后,在台湾推行“皇民化运动”,灌输忠“君”(天皇)爱“国”(日本)思想,力图把台湾人民变成日本的忠臣良民。在经济上,实行“农业台湾、工业日本”的政策,由台湾向日本提供稻米和蔗糖;后期则配合日本的南进政策,在台湾发展与军需有关的工业,把台湾当作日军的补给地。台湾人民从未屈服日本的殖民统治。在日据初期,以农民为主体的抗日武装进行了长达20年的斗争。后来,文化协会、民众党、共产党等还组织领导了反抗日本殖民统治的民族抵抗运功。

1937年7月日本制造“七七事变”,中国人民开始了全民族的抗日战争。在抗日战争时期,不少台湾同胞回到祖国参加抗战,为抗日战争的胜利和台湾的光复作出了贡献。1941年l2月太平洋战争爆发后,12月9日中国政府发出《中国对日宣战布告》、明确昭告中外:“所有—切条约、协定、合同,有涉及中日之间关系者,一律废止。”

1945年8月,日本在第二次世界大战中战败,8月15日宣布无条件投降。中国人民经过8年英勇的抗日战争,终于收复了台湾。台湾同胞欢天喜地,庆祝回归祖国。10月25日,同盟国中国战区台湾省受降仪式于台北举行,受降主官代表中国政府宣告:自即日起、台湾及澎湖列岛已正式重入中国版图,所有一切土地、人民、政事皆已置于中国主权之下。至此,台湾、澎湖重归中国主权管辖之下。

I think that Chinese government is a criminal government and Taiwan should be a free and indipendent state.
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I think that Chinese government is a criminal government and Taiwan should be a free and indipendent state.
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Please prove your words!
Why?
Actually Taiwan hasnt had enough power to protect itself
It will become Colonies of the United States if everything is as you said.
Its just American trick,and a man stuck in it.

The chinese is gonna invade taowan and its scary
Taiwan Province has been the territory of China since ancient times.In ancient China, it was generally called Liuqiu/Yizhou
Please observe the one China principle.
Is 500 years ancient? Because as far as I remember, Taiwan really became something for China when the Ming government escaped (remind me of something..) to Taiwan when the Mandchu invaded the country. Prior to that, it wasn't really something for China.

Taiwan's interests should be respected.
Taiwan's interests is to get of mainland back. China's interest is also to grab back Taiwan. Let's them solvve thhis as peacefully as possible without adding oil to the fire.
500?Taiwan Province was recorded in China during the Sui Dynasty, which has been more than 1000 years since then.
There is a difference between being recorded/known and being administrated/colonized. As far as I know, Taiwan was barely occupied by Chineses, and barely started with fishermen, pirates, before the Ming exile. It wouldn't have been so easily colonized by Portugueses and Dutches prior to that if China gavea damn about the island back then.

All these old stories to legitimate the power of China on Taiwan are very interesting but the first important thing is that the actual population of this island want to stay independent from the communist dictatorship. With such reasoning we could say that long time ago vast territories of Europe and North Africa were a part of Roman Empire and so must be still the property of the actual Italy or South Korea must go under the power of North Korea. Actually the neighboring countries of china protest against the grabbing of islands that do not belong to the communist China. It’s time to stop the imperialist Xi Jingping behavior that risks provoking a war with disastrous consequences. The Chinese government has already shown his hypocrisy I hope that the leaders of democratic countries will no longer be so naive and remain firm in the face of this dictatorship which despises human rights.

All these old stories to legitimate the power of China on Taiwan are very interesting but the first important thing is that the actual population of this island want to stay independent from the communist dictatorship.
And its government also used to be a dictatorship and still claim mainland China. Also Taiwan is a pawn for the US.

With such reasoning we could say that long time ago vast territories of Europe and North Africa were a part of Roman Empire and so must be still the property of the actual Italy or South Korea must go under the power of North Korea.
Italy isn't SPQR and doesn't pretend to be so. Also North Korea was grabbing South Korea alone but the US didn't like it very much and interfered to protect the South, another dictatorship back then.
China "split" is the result of a civil war that is still ongoing. Only, it took a more diplomatic way, which is being fired again and again by the US for its own interests; the same interests that are destroying France, Western Europe, Ukraine after middle east...

In short :
- Taiwan is as imperialist as China, but doesn't have the mean to do so.
- Taiwan is the remains of civil war, and has been aimed to be solved more diplomatically ((well, in a chinese meaning...)
- US is interfering, which is even more imperialist than the 2 previous ones
- US will make a war in the area in a near future, which will beenfit both US and China at the expense of Taiwan primarily, and Western European countries.
- Please, tell us 5 democratic countries.


You seem very misinformed or intoxicated by Chinese propaganda. For me the countries of the European Union are a good example of democracies even if it’s not paradise, if we classify the countries of the planet according to objective criteria like renewal of the elites, integrity of the leaders, freedom of the press or independence of justice, multiparty system, respect of human rights; China is in the last positions with Russia, Iran or Korea North. All these countries you seem to admire.
Taiwan as imperialist as the communist China? It’s a real bullshit. What did Taiwan to be like that? On the other side Chinese government attitude reveal the real nature of this countries they try more or less violently to grab some territories around it. The stranglehold on some islands in the South China Sea which belong to Philippines clearly show the goals of this dictatorship. Just like the invasion of Tibet , clashes with India. It would be dangerous to do like with Putin: democratic countries have never dared to react firmly to its repeated aggression on its neighbors and now it is war.

You seem very misinformed or intoxicated by Chinese propaganda.
You seem very misinformed or intoxicated by US propaganda.

Do I need to go further to see how this kind of argument is irrelevant and displaced? Well, let's go then:

For me the countries of the European Union are a good example of democracies even if it’s not paradise, if we classify the countries of the planet according to objective criteria like renewal of the elites, integrity of the leaders, freedom of the press or independence of justice, multiparty system, respect of human rights;
EU countries, good example of democracies when most of policies are not decided by sovereign state but by the EU, France being a good example of this with retirement reform since it ahs been decided on a EU level and is pushed in this direction in order to get backk some of the money given to EU.

Concerning your criterias :
- Renewal of the elites isn't a sign of democracy, but of instability. You talked about the Roman. In Roman Empire,t he emperor changed almost every months at a point... Also , if taking France as a case study, some people in the political landscape were there before I was born, are still there, and will probably still be there in the few next years.
- Leaders in France sell the country out and destroyed France.. Macron insulted people multiple time, humiliated himself as well as the nation and the country (e.g. in China); and has no respect for this place.
- How is press related to democracy exactly? A handful of people own most, iff not all, main medias in France and can saty whatever they say, but are they the people? Or are they the people who lead ? Same for Justice.
- How is multiparty system a sign of democracy? Plus EU is not led by a oparty and yet is the one who decide over members.
- Freedom index doesn't put Chhina last. In fact, Algeria is often one of the dead last instead; which is ironic considering France importing massively Algerians on its territory. Futhermore, on this kind of index, France is a flawed democracy.

So, withh your definition of democracy, if I put nobility in France and change the ruling house every now and then. This can be a democracy. Hmm...

China is in the last positions with Russia, Iran or Korea North. All these countries you seem to admire.
Should I say ok boomer to stay on the same level of argumentation? Plus that's false, even in a world lef by the nice guys.

Taiwan as imperialist as the communist China? It’s a real bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan#/media/File:ROC_Administrative_and_Claims.svg
You seem to forget that Taiwan also is China, just not seemingly communist.

On the other side Chinese government attitude reveal the real nature of this countries they try more or less violently to grab some territories around it.
Here a scoop: China has the power to do it whereas Taiwan doesn't. Any country with a bit of power does the exact same thing starting with the US. Japan also would like to grab some territories inthe area. I know, that sounds crazy... but even France did it before coming to the weird belief that ti was weak and showing its buttcheeks to US.


The stranglehold on some islands in the South China Sea which belong to Philippines clearly show the goals of this dictatorship.
Again, same can be said about powerful enough countries everywhere. Taiwan just doesn't have this power, neither does North Korea. Let's give a try:
The illegal blocus of Venezuela/attack on north stream/attack on Iraq under fake pretext/ingerence in Ukrain, Korea, Vietnam.../neo-colonization of Africa/ingerence and dictatorship coup détat in Latin America/selling of Europe etc. clearly show the goals of this dictatorship.

Just like the invasion of Tibet
let's give a try at your rhetoric : You seem very misingormed or intoxicated by Tibetan propaganda.
More seriously: You forget that Tibet was part of China before its "invasion" if it can be called like that and that CHina was in inner trouble for almost a century. I don't recall any international recognition of Tibet prior to that either, and thus can be considered as an internal problem. Taiwan also claims Tibet by the way.
I honestly don't think France would let Brittany goes free in a similar context, and the events and repression coming after the Revvolution showed it very well.

clashes with India
Surely India is a paragon of virtue... Ah, right, it isn't. It's even tis country that participate to still pay Russian energy (at higher prices) and make absolute fool of EU.

It would be dangerous to do like with Putin: democratic countries have never dared to react firmly to its repeated aggression on its neighbors and now it is war.
Here we agree. It would be extremely dangerous to push a country to the edge and bite us because we act arrogantly and stupidly. More than that, it would only benefit the US and China at the expense of Taiwan and Europeans countries. Oh, you meant to act more rashly to create more dead..? Oh sure... What a thought of someone who will never pay for his decisions... Remember though, people of your generation will probably not be sheltered by people of younger generations if you bring crap too early. So be sure to kill your children when you already lie on your bed since it could be mildly unpleasant to do it before.


*scared pacifist noises*