USA and or vs. Russia • Penpal-Gate

October 15, 2022 09:27

I personally see more efforts of people that are against all of it, or more initiatives, and possibility to do these. I also believe that this system, and now I mean whole EU, is less hermetic and stable, more prone to collapse or at least to let opposition grow.

Okay, so I would say that we still have too comfortable lifes, and too much people not caring about future and abstract things that today can be hard to imagine, but next year it may happen, like covid insanity or war. And that first thing shows that still too much people is okay with absurdities and giving up their freedom.

It's been unstable for a while, and yes, there are certainly more people going against it, but when you see than even a former prime minister admit that they are just testing to which point they can push their crap/agenda on people without them to get a revolution, there is a long way to go before anything substantial arise if EU doesn't collapse all by itself.

However, I hold my opinion that consciousness is more common in the "west" than in "east". I don't say it's very common, after all. What is sad. But process of killing the freedom of speech and thought began much later in our countries.
Brainwashing too. I don't mean here the situations where some country decided to form society opinion about one thing, like a war or next elections, but when governments are doing it for generations, and when it become national doctrine. In USSR it started with Lenin I think. And his political enemies were taking the same methods, just for their own benefit. The whole country, and all institutions were instruments to stifle the individualism and freedom.

I don't see how or when. The Revolution in France was a bloodbath and anyone who dared disagreeing just got slaughtered. Their children got muted/indoctrinated. Thus, you can have a "freedom" of speech, for if erverybody already agree, nothing will happen. Just look at this forum; if I don't trashtalk on Russia and fit well in the mould, I can't even be Breton anymore and I must be Chinese or anything else.

I think that you underestimate the shit happenign in the "West" because it isn't as harsh as in the East and people don't commit suicide from 3 bullets in the back.

About Meloni - I know, that their system is rather impossibilistic. But the fact that people choosed her is important.

Because they finally understood that the "right/left" dichotomy is worthless and want to try another thing, despite it's still another shade of the same soup they've been served for decades?

And sign that it's still possible to change, even if it will take many years, even if its just one country more to stay against Brussels, so now its three countries. Oh, pardon. Right party won in Sweden too. What lets me be optimistic sometimes, is the fact that the eventual plan of devils pulling the strips, isnt fluent like domino.

I think that's a bit optimistic. If you look at the EU, you quickly realize that, in order to make any change, you need to leave the union. It's a very rough decision and nobody, except those English who brought problems in it, were willing to take it so far.

Hmm... Okay, thats something I can... identify with somehow. We have two extremal parties of big sort. So its like fight only between them. We have TV station for each of them, one TV station somewhere in middle, and one TV Station more... like...Sympathizing with niche? I mean, trying to be merithorical.
The ruling party is described as conservatist and patriotic, but they are not exactly. For sure when they talk, less when they make decisions. Their competence is also not very good. Why they rule? Because the biggest opposition party (almost all opposition is left) is worse, and there is no serious alternative. Its not even about worldview, but about intellect and what they presents in media. So You have one idiot on the chair, and You would like to change him, but when You look at other candidate, You see bigger idiot.

I guess that this is a problem in most of our countries then. However, nobody is willing to take the chair.

1. I don't think either, that we should compeletely push Russia out of Europe. But as for my country, I would like to see them less imperialistic of course, not threatening us, and definitely I don't want again Germans doing interest with them, over my head, what will lead to keep Poland as minor guy, sitting under table, trying to get some scraps. And Germany are very insolent in their way of playing.

Well, seeing how all this story is going on, Russia is certainly going to push more and more, and Germany will keep going with its crap and is already rulling EU. France isn't a coleader anymor ein it with the former presidents being doormats who praise the disastruous German policy for the people.

2. But despite my own "what I would like it to be", the fact is that Russia had chance to have good marriage with Germany. And they would get much more by continuing the diplomatic way, than the military way they choosed. Even US saw Russia as potential ally against China, many commentators says. So if US or NATO, but... I think US the most, were a threat for Russia, it was uneffective, since Germany wanted Russia in europe.

Germany wanted Russia, yes, but the US defeinitely didn't as long as Russia was unwilling to become a kind of vassal state just like European countries. If you look at it, Germany didn't want to stop their business with Russia, and mostly was forced by the US, whichis speaking a lot on how this country is.

YOu're free to disagree. What I see is that the US was inUkraine in 2014 and before, that they encouraged a coup d'état, spread shit in this country, particpated to the huge corruptionthere with people like Biden's son. Sure, the last hit has been made by Russia, but believing that they are alone in this stroy is, in my opinioon, at best naive.

Edited by Lianshen October 15, 2022 09:38.

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