USA and or vs. Russia Politics and governments

Putin's army is slowly but surely running out of air, men and ammunition. Already have to withdraw from Kherson for fear of severe encirclement and having Ukrainians kick their asses. Also the area of ​​Mariupol will soon be freed from Russian scrap. It's only a matter of time before the Russian scrap is thrown out again.

OK, Lianshen, aren't you hypocrite too? I didn't know a single case when blacks or Chinese would come to Europe and enslaved European population.

Irrelevant, and incoherent... How is that related to my message? Plus well done mentionning China and Sub-Saharians as if they were models of freedom.

About Poland if you want to know - in early 1600 their troops were in Moscow.

Are you mixing up wars and colonization on purpose or are you saying that every coutnries that have existed were fond in colonization?
More than that, don't you forget that Russia was also doing shit in the Baltic states a few decades before? Also, as far as I know, Poles didn't deport Russians and destroyed your country with what can be considered as colonization...

What happened to these countries - Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia, Iraq recently?

What happened to Poland, Mongolia, Finland a few decades ago..? What is now happening in Ukraine? You keep bringing US wars as if they were the doing of a homogeneous "West" and the only thing that happened, while your country has the same imperialism but is unable to fulfill all its ambitions like the US does for you lack of power.

How come? Why don't you feel sorry for certain countries and feel sorry for the other?

You're demonstrating your hypocrisy very well here, for I've been from the first to point out the crap happening in Ukraine and saying how the US has ignited the fire there. Funnily, you were agreeing back then.

I don't know why you are so upset?

You talk a lot about feelings. Are you sure that you are not making a projection?

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Don't know gulags and deportation? It was a national sport during the last century, and USSR sure was a champion in its category.

Arthur60a, Ukraine is a part of Russia. Like Scotland is a part of Britain.

Eh, no? As far as I know, Ukraine is still an independent country. It might be closely related to Russia, for it's the origine of your people, but it got its independence a while ago and what is happenign now is not a civil war.

Ukraine is not a country now. This is a US colony under US administration. There is a clown Zelensky sitting on the throne, who, under the influence of drugs, fulfills all the wishes of the United States and the collective WEST. This is a zombie puppet and you should not even pay attention to it.

Ukraine shows that it’s a real country. The Ukrainians are fighting for their freedom. That a sign they are a united people. Soon Russians will have to do the same to eliminate their corrupted regime that sends tens of thousands of young people to death. All that for the dream of a dictator

Ukraine shows that it’s a real country. The Ukrainians are fighting for their freedom. That a sign they are a united people. Soon Russians will have to do the same to eliminate their corrupted regime that sends tens of thousands of young people to death. All that for the dream of a dictator

This is the delirium of a zombie idiot. Complete disregard.

Lianshen, you write too much, but let's get to the point. We can't go over the whole human history. What is the purpose to discussing it? Just tell me who needs this war? Russia didn't need it. The thought that Russia is suddenly became irrational is absurd. Is Russia was good all the time in history? NO! It's not the topic here. There was a reason to start this operation - NAZI. We didn't finished them in 1945, so somebody has to do it now. What is more interesting, in the world Nazism on the rise. It was the main reason why this operation started. But I know, you don't beleave me. So, it's also has no point to discuss. The question is very simple - why the USA and Russia do not discuss it? Because there are political interests. It's in the interest of NATO this war was going as long as it can. With some exception, NATO countries didn't know what kind effect it will be on the world. The result of this war is more affected the West than Russia. Nobody knew it that result will be like that. Anyway, this war can be stopped very easily. All we need is just to talk! And the West shouldn't make out of China an enemy. Why? It's so stupid. NATO politic is so irrational.

We can't go over the whole human history. What is the purpose to discussing it?

Except when it arranges you* Since there is a point when it's about blaming "muh evil white" like a american "woke".

Just tell me who needs this war? Russia didn't need it.

Russia sure needs it and that's why your country started it. Else,it would be a laughing stock and a considered as the carpet of the US.

The thought that Russia is suddenly became irrational

Here, you're proving that your "arguments" don't change with your interlocutor, for I've never claimed such thing. Thus,you are only reciting a lesson.

There was a reason to start this operation - NAZI.

No. That's a casus belli. Real reasons aren't nazis that couldbe found in Ukraine. Putin simply doesn't want Ukraine to be a puppet of the US by becoming a EU/NATO member which would threat its sovereigntty. If it can grabs some territories in the process, that's a bonus.

We didn't finished them in 1945, so somebody has to do it now. What is more interesting, in the world Nazism on the rise.

Nazis also exist in Russia. What's more, "Nazis" in slavic countries don't have the same meaning as it has in Western Europe/Germany for Slavs were seen as sub-humans back then... In Uraine for instance, it's typically a russophobic or anti-communist movement.

But I know, you don't beleave me.

Maybe because it makes as much sense as claiming that Putin went crazy or retarded?

It's in the interest of NATO this war was going as long as it can.

Oh wow, I thought the war was about nazis 😮

Nobody knew it that result will be like that.

Yes we do. Anyone with 2 functionning brain cells and looking at the past perfectly knows how retarded is EU and how this would fuck up normal people in the "West". Everyone would realize quickly that retarded sanctions against US would make EU to crash. Don't mix up stupid people at the head of EU and EU countries with people.

Anyway, this war can be stopped very easily. All we need is just to talk!

No it cannot, not anymore.

And the West shouldn't make out of China an enemy

China is de facto an ennemy of the "West". Even if the US were not doing much, you don't seem to know that China has some kind of imperialism and a lot of revanchism in its "dna". if NATO politics is against the interest of the people, it is in the interest of the US, or a very small populationt here. A war occurring in Taiwan would benefit the US just like a war in Ukraine does. It would also benefit China, just like it benefits Russia.

Ukraine is not a country now. This is a US colony under US administration. There is a clown Zelensky sitting on the throne, who, under the influence of drugs, fulfills all the wishes of the United States and the collective WEST. This is a zombie puppet and you should not even pay attention to it.

Be it (one of) the most corrupted country in the world, it's still a country on the map, and it's definitely not part of Russia. South Korea is much more of a US puppet, still it is considered as a country.

Lianshen, so hearing everything what you said, what is the answer? What are you suggesting? How we can end all these? And you know that Russia and China won't back up. It's a dead end situation. I don't care what Russia wanted, but people like you in NATO created this situation. You can blame anybody, but it will not do any good. So, what we'll do? There are only two options here. First one is to sit down and talk. All wars come to an end. Second choice is fight till the end. And as you might guess, the world economy will go down to toilet. And possibly we are all going to hell. What choice do you like better?

Lianshen, so hearing everything what you said, what is the answer? What are you suggesting? How we can end all these? And you know that Russia and China won't back up. It's a dead end situation. I don't care what Russia wanted, but people like you in NATO created this situation. You can blame anybody, but it will not do any good. So, what we'll do? There are only two options here. First one is to sit down and talk. All wars come to an end. Second choice is fight till the end. And as you might guess, the world economy will go down to toilet. And possibly we are all going to hell. What choice do you like better?

That you stop blaming a good part of the world for shit and still pretend to wish for peace when you are unable to see the beam in your own eyes.
See, once again, you blame me personally for NATO, which is ridiculous beyond point. Should I start to blame you personally for gulags and deportation of people? That actually would be a less ridiculous accusation considering your age...

First one is to sit down and talk. All wars come to an end.

It was better to talk before making a war and it wasalready almost impossible. The world is going to know a bloody era for we are led by absolute retards and most of us are accomplice of the current events. Even within a country, like France, peace would only emerge from a bloodbath consideringg the current situation and what happened in the past in such context. Why? Because it's impossible to reason with peopel who have all interests in having this or other wars ongoing, that some people haev no interest in seeing the pleb having a better life or education.

And possibly we are all going to hell

That's absolutely not a possibility, but a very clear future for many countries in EU.

Lianshen, I said people like you (the logic), I did not accuse you personaly. And accusing of something me would not make much sense either, because I have nothing to do with it. All I trying to say - just talk! But somehow people don't! Why? What is there problem? We can't undo certain things. So, what choice do we have? Why not talk? And I am not talking about you and me. I am talking about big guys.

Lianshen, I said people like you (the logic), I did not accuse you personaly. And accusing of something me would not make much sense either, because I have nothing to do with it. All I trying to say - just talk! But somehow people don't! Why? What is there problem? We can't undo certain things. So, what choice do we have? Why not talk? And I am not talking about you and me. I am talking about big guys.

Well, some people indeed likes to talk. Like you. They do nothing, only talk, talk and talk and nothing constructive happen, they are repeating the same things. Like you do on this forum whole time. The same scheme.

We need to talk! (Pacifist mode + asking the same questions) ---> Blaming whole world and generalizing (oh, but when US did it then it was good? What with *here put some countries*) ---> defending Russia and keep saying that it's because of nazi or because US wanted base in Ukraine so Russia didn't have a choice

And all over again, and again. You have nothing new or constructive to say. While Lianshen is making new points in every comment and gives concrete facts or responds to few sentences from your comments... You dont. I dont know where he finds energy to "discuss" with you. I lost my energy, when I was trying... At least I was able to make you openly admit that this war is what people deserved, and how evil you are.

And that is why there was no place for talk, since long time. Because when you don't want to talk, or when you cant (maybe because you are too ignorant, arrogant or closeminded). It applies to most of hipocryts, like politicians, or you, I think.

Lianshen is the brain!

Putin is the "six" of the oligarchs of Russia. Russian oligarchs are closely connected in business with Ukrainian oligarchs. This is a joint consortium commanding the war in Ukraine. It prohibits attacking logistics chains, it prohibits attacking airfields, it prohibits attacking hydroelectric power plants. The consortium commands the troops and it is tied to joint corruption. Putin does not make independent decisions, as he never did. This man is a protege of a corrupt oligarchic society. He himself is personally mired in corruption ties. Navalny objected to this. He has been in prison for the second year. There he is being psychologically destroyed and will be destroyed. Putin's entire policy is directed against his own people. He is only a player on the world stage, as Gorbachev was once a player. The people cursed Gorbachev. The people will curse Putin too. Until the new Stalin comes, repeals the ban on the death penalty, and shoots a hundred oligarchs, Russia will drag out a miserable existence. The USA and Europe will slowly and surely devour Russia. Only this is now hindered by China, which is economically saving Russia with its orders for resources. When the United States and Britain switch to China (this is possible by 2027) - there will be nothing left of Russia - China will take everything. All other speculations about Russia's weakness are the delirium of zombified youngsters.

Long live Putin's political rival Navalny.

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Зеленский это кукла, измазанная порошком кокаина. Россия развернулась лицом к Азии, Африке и Латинской Америке. Россия постепенно уничтожает доллар в мировой торговле. По Статистике Блумберг торговля с использованием доллара упала на 30 %. Путин воспользовался как азартный игрок ситуацией, когда США решили подчинить себе Европу и создали энергетический кризис. Если бы не война в Украине, которую развязал Путин, у США не было бы успехов в создании кризиса. Ошибка Путина как игрока - это развязывание войны в Украине. Донбасс можно было бы защитить, после того, когда Украина развязала бы агрессию в Донбасс. Тогда бы чаша мировых весов возможно склонилась бы в сторону России. Путин этой войной насрал себе на голову. Но Мировое зло - это есть США. Это есть империя терроризма, которая берет свое начало с уничтожения 3.5 тысяч американцев 11 сентября в NY. Потом возникли Ирак, Ливия, Сирия, Украина - кто следующий ? Бильдербергский клуб работает на полную мощность !

It's pointless, I agree. Those, who don't like to talk usually die young. Good luck to them.