USA and or vs. Russia Politics and governments

… If we here can't come to some agreement, why blame governments? We are so stupid as our governments. And it's not a question, it's a fact.
😂 Now you’re talking —you can’t fix governments’ mistake (or even improve the world they’re destroying “for the people’s sake”) by thinking and act the same way they do.

Marvel-KB, what did you do to be different? I know, at this moment we all have to support Ukraine in their fight with Russia. But why? Can you answer this question? Do Europe has to suffer for Ukraine? Why? Because of solidarity? Solidarity with what? With NAZI government? Does Europe have to be so stupid? Why? Answer me such a simple question. Interests? That what you mean? When German economy is going to toilet, whose interests here? The whole world is ready to break apart for what? Just name me just one reason.

We could have watched the Ukraine government make the first incursion into Russian territory, but they never done such a thing.

Dwethers, really? Are you dreaming? I'm sorry, there are not a part of the Russian territory was taken. What are you talking about?

Are you talking about some hits from Ukrainian territory? So, if we hit the USA territory, what it will mean? Will it mean, that we defeated the USA? Or, now the situation has changed?

The Belgorod nuclear submarine has left Russia for a long voyage. Why is it interesting ? This is the first submarine that can carry the Poseidon nuclear underwater drone. This drone independently has an indefinite time for swimming at a depth of up to 1 km. With a speed of 200 km/h. Its length is more than 30 m and its diameter is 2 m. It has a nuclear propulsion system. The power of a nuclear charge can reach 100 megatons. Designed to destroy the coastal strip to a depth of 500 km or island countries like England, New Zealand, Ponia, etc. When a Poseidon nuclear charge with a capacity of 50 megatons explodes, it creates a tsunami up to 200 m high, which sweeps away everything in its path + nuclear contamination. It can lie on the bottom in standby mode for 3 years. If Poseidon explodes at a distance of 1 km from the coast of the USA, cities such as Los Angeles, New York will cease to exist. Countries such as the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, England, Ireland, France, Spain, etc. The tsunami will simply wash away. Today, this is Russia's response to the Threats of NATO and the United States in the war in Ukraine. "The Belgorod submarine has a super-modern submarine. She went into the world ocean in September 2022. No one knows where she is. No one knows if she has Poseidon on board. The world froze in fear. It is almost impossible to detect and destroy the Belgorod submarine. The depth of its immersion reaches 700 meters. Modern Western and US means of detection cannot detect it. Therefore, Biden's militaristic rhetoric has somewhat subsided. Europe shut up. By inertia, they continue to supply weapons to Ukraine. Putin's latest warning is not advertised and is known only in the militaristic circles of the West and the United States. For the US military lobby, the entry of the Belgorod submarine into the world ocean was a complete shock.

Marvel-KB, what did you do to be different? I know, at this moment we all have to support Ukraine in their fight with Russia. But why? Can you answer this question? Do Europe has to suffer for Ukraine? Why? Because of solidarity? Solidarity with what? With NAZI government? Does Europe have to be so stupid? Why? Answer me such a simple question. Interests? That what you mean? When German economy is going to toilet, whose interests here? The whole world is ready to break apart for what? Just name me just one reason.
Thanks, SergeyMoro for your questions but from my point of view they look like traps 🪤 … Since by answering these questions I will end up choosing a side and trapping myself in this endless debate ( the perfect representation of the actual international situation 👏🏽 Bravo) which, I hope you agree, is downright a dead end with everyone trying to “shout louder than the other” what he believes to be the truth.
The question is not who is right, but what’s the right thing to do( and maybe how to make it right) None of the reasons you may give will explain/excuse what’s being done in Ukraine —neither the US nor the leading European countries are saints; history shows it clearly they did bad things 🤦🏽‍♂️ Too but explaining today’s mistake with yerstday’s wrongs of others won’t help. Trying to get Russian out of the game or maybe “get it back in line” is childish and nonsense better try to fix things and get along instead of pointing fingers.

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Thank you, Marvel-KB, I agree. I am not the God, I don't have all the answers, but for haven sake, can we somehow settle all these things? What is the problem? Why we behave like children?

I don’t know either… I assume it’s because of a kind of pride; that pushed them all to bring conflict in everything, just because they want everybody to submit to their vision of the world while mutual respect could fend off most conflict; no one likes to be overshadowed neither men nor governments. As I said earlier the best thing to do is to put serious efforts in making things right and not prove we are right (which only increases the mess) & stop rehearsing past events 🤦🏽‍♂️ This is not the purpose of history this is time to give freedom (especially freedom to of opposite views) and respect to each other —this is no longer the age of empires.

I think West made a mistake when he didn't take a chance to accept Putin's proposition - let's make a free economic area from Lisbon to Vladivostok. I don't know why, but at that time West did not accepted it. We would not have now the problem with Ukraine. More than that, there would be some kind of stability in the whole world now.

https://youtu.be/pvJ8YW9qQrQ

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DWeathers, it's an commercial add after 1991 year. When Soviet Union desintegrated. So, it's actually a capitalist view on the USSR. It's funy.

What is a dirty atomic bomb?
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Yes Zelensky can make this bomb. From the waste of the Chernobyl nuclear reactor. This bomb will not work like a real nuclear one, but its explosion will pollute the environment and the earth for hundreds of kilometers around.
I myself worked on the liquidation of the Chernobyl disaster and I know what I'm saying. During the construction of the second Sarcophagus, due to the vibration created by the pile-cutting machines, the nuclear debris inside the fourth reactor began to sublimate and flow into separate places inside the first sarcophagus, forming a critical mass. What is it worth to collect this mass in groups of suicide bombers and assemble a dirty bomb. It will not explode like a nuclear one, because there is no pressure for this to be appropriate for an explosion. But an ordinary dirty explosion can be with a huge release of radioactive waste.
What kind of weapon can Putin oppose to this Zelensky adventure ?
I only count the illegally forgotten neutron bomb.
What is it ?
This is a bomb, the explosion of which emits a hard stream of neutrons, which kills all living things around, even bacteria.There is no destruction of real estate and equipment. But there will be no survivors around this explosion.
I think that it is necessary to spit on all agreements about prohibitions on its use. Moreover, the United States has long wanted to spit on all the treaties. This will be a real effective argument for Zelensky's adventure.

If Russians speak so much about this eventuality of an attack by dirty bomb it’s surely because they project to launch one. Russian army loses ground and all can be used by Putin to slow the progression of the Ukrainians and add the more confusion as possible. It’s like the barrage of Kakhovka. Russians will not hesitate to destroy it when the situation gets too desperate. The evacuation of Kherson look like more at a deportation rather than an operation to save civilians from fighting.

If Russians speak so much about this eventuality of an attack by dirty bomb it’s surely because they project to launch one. Russian army loses ground and all can be used by Putin to slow the progression of the Ukrainians and add the more confusion as possible. It’s like the barrage of Kakhovka. Russians will not hesitate to destroy it when the situation gets too desperate. The evacuation of Kherson look like more at a deportation rather than an operation to save civilians from fighting.
У тебя зомбированный мозг. Это Украина собирается использовать грязную бомбу идиот !

Such a bomb Igor is refering to for Putin's use is one for the Imperialistic take over of a city for those with the dream to commit genocide without the consequenses of ecological and economical fallout. The "Terraforming" of an enemy land minus the enemy.

DWethers and anil, Russia has a real nuclear bomb. Russia doesn't need some kind of dirty bombs. It's illogical. Why do we need dirty bombs in addition to real ones? It doesn't make any sense. Why do we need to use a dirty bomb? What is the reason? We want to kill everybody, but we are using a less powerful weapon for what? Just to look ridicules? What is the reason? Dirty bomb usually use those people who do not have a real one. Terrorists, outcasts etc. What are you talking about? Do you understand what you are talking about? Or, maybe you are just repeating the nonsense which you heard on your fake news? And you think it's true? It's pitiful.

Sergey you surely know and Putin surely more than you that to launch a nuclear bomb implies a global destruction for each camp. May be millions of deaths and of course also his own end for your beloved dictator. So it’s a lose- lose relationship. However, a dirty bomb could prevent a rapid advance of Ukrainian troops in a contaminated environment and so give to Russians some time to reorganize. Actually Putin tries to freeze the situation. The militia Wagner is actually making trench to keep the positions it’s a strategy of the First World War. Don’t make me think you don’t understand this.

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