Olympics in China Politics and governments

Hey mira, In my country, like...6 month ago, some demonstrators had guns, and shooted some policeman... The policemen di not shoot them at all. China's army killed : 12 people if you here chinees governement, more if you hear the others.
That is not a good repression i think. Even if they are violent. And, i guess there is no Tibetan people to defend hisself on this site.... Can you tell me why?

Something that china's tv did not show.... It was the begining of the travel of the olympic flamme. Did you see it Mirage?

http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xfsvx_gastou63_flamme-olympique/video/x4txle_un-tibet-sans-flamme_news

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In 1950, 1 year after the proclamation of the republic of China, China attack the Tibet. That is fool of blood. 1.2 million of tibetans die. 1/6 of the population is in prison, or is working for nothing etc...

Hi French-touch:
I have some question about your information above.
1.2 million tibetans died?The total population is 1.15 million in 1951,it is said that the China Gov. killed a half of tibetans,do you think so?
Do you feel that why do the Gov. wanna kill so many people in tibet,only have a lot of chinese immigrants to tibet?
You r so wrong!
You do not even know Tibet(Xizang)!
Tibet is a place that have thin air in that people can not even breath,a largest altiplano which is in a high altitude.
Today,There 2.7million people there,and the proportion of tibetan is 92.8%,these data is collected in 2003.
U can go to Tibet,and count the quantity if you can bear the altitude reaction!
We east China from the coast help Tibet every year,we have a donation activity last week for the tibetan kids.That is the ture!
A lot of chinese thinks that Tibet has no value in use for China,except the tourism resource and the Himalayas which attract a lot of climbers leave their lives there.
At the last,welcome to China,and let me introduce tibet just in Tibet,not in the other countries.Okay??

1.2 million, that is what the tibetan governement in India says. I can't confirm, but i think it is between the tibetan's and the Cineese's view

There is not just tourism in Tibet. That is a rich country because of gold, copper and some others Metal..
And the most important thing is that there is a lot of water there. A lot of rivers begin in this moutains.

About the nomber of chineese people in Tibet, the numbers i saw said like 36% of the population.

Tibet governement says that the tibet lost about 15% of his tibetan populaion.

Well, I don't know everything, but i have but ideas. And, even if tibetan are not perfect, i still say what i said. For me, China should be more free. Don't say me that i'm in the wrong, i just think what i think.
I can hear you...And i'm sure that you can hear me 🙂 Let's talk free

Okay,just think as you think.But I think that most chinese(Include the most Tibetans in China) have the same view as I think.
So,as I think,it is also the own business between all Tibetans and the other Chinese.
I can tell you that we are living together well,and now more and more Tibetans had a business in the east coast of China.
So,most Chinese people are happy here!Why you think that we have no free.
We are free or not?? This is a question that will be answered by Chinese people.
Not other people in the world~!
And I also think,your view have already hurt the most chinese's heart!You do not respect other ones,and like to arraignment some issues that happened in other countries!You do not have the right to do these things,you really may have an apologize for chinese people~!Yes,you can comment everything just as your think,,but I suggest that you can come to China and communicate with chinese directly.
And,like friends,I feel the respect and communication is very important,do not hurt other ones by your own words.

That is all a question of respect.

I think that it is the world's buisness. And you have not the view of an occidental country, that is maybe why you see the things differently. Maybe we don't have the same definition of the word "freedom". That is maybe the problem

You (Chineese people) shouldn't be hurted. You should just hear, and accept that there are different views of a problem. Here, in france, we are not all okay about the sort of Tibet. Some people say that china liberate the tibet, and that being a part of china is a good thing for tibet. But I don't. Even if i respect your ideas. I just don't have the same ones

I also agree with you.But,I never respect your idea!

You don't have to agree to respect you know?

I respect your words. But you won't change my ideas for sure. We should both go to tibet

Ok,I need to something:

Firstly: I,a University Student, feel very free in my country,China~ I can talk everything I want to,even to blame the government for something!
Secondly😮lympic Game is just for athletes,.So keep politics away~ We all know that the current world is not calm as some POWER countries want to restrain some developing countries,such as China.And the NEWS PAPER is just one tool of their strategies.So you can't believe everything the MEDIA said~ IF you want to know the truth,just to Listen to more Medias and to learn more History.
THirdly: AS for Human right~ Every country has its own standard of that right,In China,as a developing country,survival and developing is the highest right.ok? For example: The America says it has the most perfect human rights in the world,BUT at the country's begining,They killed almost all of the aborigines~ And they killed people as their will in Iraq~
Forthly: as for The problem of Tibet: Tibet was and is and will be a part of China,that's doubtlessly historical fact,Just as TaiWan. The recent violence happened in Tibet is instigated by Dalai Lama,That's the fact. And many innocent people are hurt.So it's the Dalai Lama's crimal~ not the government's.ok?
Finally: For French Guy: Our countries are in frendly relationship,If you love your country,So keep rational please~ that's no use to boycott Chinese goods because there are 224 countries and areas. If France really want to break out with China,you know,we are not afraid of that,But if this happens, Victims are citizens in Our TWO countries.
For Indian girl: your country is also a developing country` So there are many difficulties need to be dealed with in your own country.I'm glad that India is one of the most fast-developing coutries in the world.But if your country act just like you,a little girl,Good Things must be inverted. That' the game in the world. Ok,speak like this way:"If you hurt me,I'll revort". So please concern your own business~
My msn is: (email hidden)
If there is something you can't understand,contact with me and we will have a talk~
thank you.

Tibet was not a real part of china, until 1950 and an army invasion. That are some fact too. Before it, tibet was free, even if it was not a country which respected the human rights (they used the slavery). But the actual Dalaï Lama want the democratie in his country.

About whatyou said about me, i can do what i want, my country doesn't follow me 😁 I'm not a political men yo know?

I have a different definition for Human rights. And i hope your country will soon accept it. I understand your feeling about te fact that your country is in developing, my country was not better fews times ago. But it changed. And i hope your country will change. But if you want that it changes, you, chineeses students have to do something. If you don't want to, maybe we, people from the world who want freedom for the whole world, could do something

To French-touch: It's really your business about what's your definition of Human right,But My country will never accept your concept` Because you are not a rational boy. How we develop our country is definite our businesss.We need not anybody to teach us how to do.Ok? Actually i just take your words as nonsense.You can't give any evidence to support your opinion.
I don't think it's beneficial to argue In Historical facts with somebody without any knowledge of History.
We will do something to develop and protect our country, exactly~
In fact, I used to think that France is a great country.If you are the delegate of your country,I really need to change my view of France. one will not be respected without respecting others~ i think you can understand that.

I respect what you say., you should respect my view. We can think what we want. You can't teach me how to think, i've my personal view of the things. Maybe it will change, with some travels and meeting. But i will never say that China respect human rights today. That is my view. If you think different, you can, it is not a problem, leave me say what I think, leave me do what I want.
You don't have to understand me to respect me.

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Ok...you say you've freedom in your country. I accept that you do have PARTIAL freedom, not complete freedom (with some rules and regulations, of course). Don't you want to be really free?
Since Olympics is JUST about sports, China is working so hard-people learning English, standing in queues and loads other things. It's more than sports-money, tourism and displaying power, etc. Politics aside cos I'm no politician. I hear news excerpts from The Chinese Daily too. Yeah...and we do learn history. And, I have news for you-Even History can be rewritten according to the needs! So, don't completely believe the history that you learn.
This is for you to think: You value development as the highest priority. What are you developing so fast for? For people, right? Then, value and respect every human, every Chinese, every Tibetan! Why do we all place a nation so high, when we don't value the people there! We constitute a nation, a nation doesn't comprise us!
Blaming another country is going to take none of us anywhere.
Do you have evidence that the Dalai Lama instigated violence? Any videos showing him plotting the violence? Hmm? How is it a fact when you don't have evidence?
Thanks for your concern! I don't know about politics and diplomacy and foreign policy stuff but my country may or may not act like me. It's our govt.'s decision. I'm sure that they'll make sure nothing very bad happens to any of us. Ah...now you say that you'd hurt us if we hurt you. Let's hope none of that happens. I'm sure that I've the right to talk about the Tibet problem here.

Here is the English translation of what Clifford wrote in Chinese (mandarin) (You can check it yourselves in the translator):

"Compatriots. I was upstairs in pigs, in his deliberately provocative, we would like to anger.

We have two counterattack: 1. Counterattack negative: do not have him, so he did not do the article II. Actively counterattack: the French collection of negative news, and open a post. Name on the "France of those Ang Dirty thing. "

I actually have to, they do not allow foreigners to insult our country. Internally how we can kind is not around, but the outside we should maintain the dignity of the motherland. We should unite.
I generally read about, I have this forum with only four Chinese people. And oppose our country's most important is that this French pig. In fact, he really is the Henben.
There are two possibilities: one, France's primary and secondary school history textbook in question, there may be some of the many anti-China remarks. So by the students knowledge of history and Let's not the same.
2. This pig may be a network writers, and met China's pigs, not seen such a "perseverance" of the pig.
In short: we can not let him if% E

France is Bukeliyu this pig, we have in this topic do not have anything to talk about it. If we really have to and, on separate topic! If we do not see any need to continue the struggle and that Ben Zhu, or in real life and learning in this Benzhu do not have the time and continue the struggle, then do not have to direct him.
Well, I said the end. Thank you, with the patriotic compatriots in action - as long as we unite together, China will never be defeated! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! I love China, because here is my home! ! ! "

I'm so sorry to have had the misfortune to translate THIS! But, it needed to be done. People should know since Cifford put it in the public forum!

Mh, our schoolbooks are totaly objectives. They just take the facts.

I made my opinions with: History and news. I see some news from everywhere, so, i see some things you don't see.

You should find something to say, find some facts to show what you think.

I'm proud to have my ideas, i love freedom, because I believe in it.

(thanky you miss 😉 )

TheRainGoddess ,i must say your translation is really bad. There are many faluts,in fact ,too many faluts!

Of course.i have my own beliefs of my country!

She just used the translator. It gives the idea of your message