😐🎥 Family vlogs are dangerous? 🔍🔕

Hello everybody! 💁‍♀️

Today and yesterday a LOTTT of people in my school and in my country talk about a new episode of BOOS. This is Dutch for ANGRY and it is a youtube channel where a journalist helps people who are victims or where smt is wrong and nobody does anything about it. For example, if people are victims of scams or if somebody keeps making victims in another way. One super big episode was about the music show THE VOICE and it showed that there was sexual abuse of people in the show even when they were younger than 18!!!! And also people being abusive in other ways. 😬🙄🙄

This time there is a new big episode about FAMILY VLOGS. 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 If you can speak Dutch you can see it here. And now everybody talks about it. The episode is about family vlogs and some have vlogs every day or week and children are on the vlogs A LOTTTT. And because of the children of the family they get all the views. And they have to show products or do challenges or other things so people view the videos on for example youtube. BUTTTT in the episode they said that there are a lot of problems bc the parents become managers and they dont have a job EXCEPT the vlogs. So they depend on the vlogs for money.

And children are on the vlogs in hospitals or when they are crying or talking about things that are super private or they must do super weird challenges. Also they wake up their children in the middle of the night with a camera and everything they do is filmed. Now there are no rules for it but they said in the episode that it must change. One family even went to another country so they can do what they want and their children DONT go to school anymore but get homeschooling because of the vlogs. At least that is what some say that is the reason but i dont know if that is why they went to another country.

Sorry for this super long text but maybe people think it is interesting to know about it. And i dont know if anybody wants to give their opinion too. I have made some questions but only reply if you have an opinion about it and want to tell it.

QUESTIONS:

1️⃣ Can children be used in family vlogs that their parents put on social media? When do you think it is allowed and when not? For example can they do challenges for views and in it there are secret commercials?

2️⃣ In the episode they said that the vlogs with the most views is always if people think it sexual even if that is maybe not the reason. So for example if the family swimming or if they do other things and the views are like A LOTTTT higher only then normal. Can their parents decide that even???

3️⃣ Do you think that in vlogs you can even see for example if they cry or if they are in a hospital or that they are waken up by their parents in the night for the camera or they are told that their grandparents died and their parents put it on internet?

4️⃣ Do you think family vlogs can be bad for children if they are older?

5️⃣ If a child of their parents in the vlogs wants to have videos deleted, can they ask for it when they are 13? Or 16? Or 18? Or older? Bc maybe when they are for example 5 they can say yes but in high school they can get BULLIED about it.

I am sorry the text is so much. But many people talk about it in my country and i think it is important. Thank you very much if you want to write what you think. 🙏🙏

PS: Ok i just found out that you can watch the episodes above also with subtitles in English on YouTube. So you have to put on subtitles and change the language in English and you can see it. 🙂

I am curious what some people think but i dont want to tag too often anymore but i think the topic is important. I would like to tag these people but ANYBODY who has an opinion can write what they think and i would like to read your opinion. Thank you very much. And of course only write if you want it.

@Etienne, @Lianshen, @Piwipete, @Simone724, @diogenes_cask, @Sabri_KC, @Savi2024, @H_E_A_R_T, @-Kiki-, @Txya, @Roseeeee, @Sarahsalah27, @Esma-Nur, @Annika2007, @Emmiiii_17_11, @Miss_Penpal, @Fleurke, @NILU1234, @elizabethtay836, @martutuni, @LandRoverDiscovery2, @PeterPositiv, @Mare24, @Billa, @PinkiePie, @AgDel, @Wildflower-Farm, @Oxiu

I think you draw an important point here. I haven't really given it as much thought before.

I'll share my opinion here; I think it's fine as long as the children agree with it. At least one of the parents must have a good job in order to pay for the bills, you shouldn't make your children responsible for your finances.

If kids don't want to have their videos uploaded anymore, parents need to take it down! Children shouldn't be exploited. As for sexualised content; I think you're right about it attracting more and more people. If kids aren't comfortable in their bikinis and swimming wear in front of the camera, parents shouldn't force them.

There's also the issue about parents becoming their managers instead of actual parents whom give emotional support, so it's important to keep that in mind.

In short; I think it's alright as long as children aren't exploited and they actually want to participate.

What's your view on this topic @Yue_? It's good you spread awareness, I must say that!

After i saw the episode and also when i talked with others today in school i dont think that permission of the children is enough. Because they will say yes bc they get proud of so many likes. And they do EVERYTHING their parents say for the likes. And their parents push them and it becomes normal for them. And they give permission that things come in the vlog but they dont know what happens later and why it can be bad.

I think you should really watch the episode bc some things i was shocked and i did not know. For example they said that children get pleasing the way that they behave and that they have no privacy. Now the parents get a lot of money from the vlogs and one father was calling to a lot of places to get money if his children can give commercials or other things. So he searched for it every day!! And they have a camera almost the whole day on them and some were taken off school for the vlogs and they even moved to another country to have no rules anymore and they can now record the whole day. I think that is really bad.

And also they said that every time children are in swimming suits in vlogs that views are a LOTTT higher or with messy games and that they know now that it is bc pedos watch it for THAT reason. And the parents they see higher views so they have that kind of things in the vlogs a LOTTT. Just for more views. But that is dangerous and one parent said on the phone in the episode that you have to get tougher and it also happens normally. But they put it on the internet and they get sometimes hundreds of thousands of views.

Also there are REALLY bad hate comments about the children posted under vlogs and i dont want to repeat it here but you can watch it and i think everybody knows what kind. But even a lot is super criminal and it happens under EVERY video. But if somebody says to me it is better to kill myself or that i am super ugly and thousands see it also people in my class and others who i know. And that happens every day. It is really bad.

My parents will watch the episode this evening but i already know that they will not like it i think. Can you tell me later @-Kiki- what you think if you watch the episode?

I will write generally, not in points, if may I:

I definitely don't like this kind of things. Not only it often takes a lot of private sphere, but it teach the children some way of life, like... As if it's normal, well. I can last for few years I assume? Or more? It teach them seeking for attention or being dependent of the number of views.

Of course it be bad in the future, not only because huge part of their life will exist in internet, but also because of the growing up in such environment. It would surprise me, if there will be traumas or disorders.

Especially, that these children probably doesn't have any control over it. Parents are managing, telling them what to do, why, etc. They can manipulate as they wish, they are making scenarios probably too.

For me, there is difference between doing failures while growing kids, and intentionally making money on them, by taking their privacy.

It's sick. Stupid parents.

i think putting children online visually speaking and making their image available to the general public is kinda sick and icky personally.... I think it is different to do it in a way that is only available for family friends to see and for extended family. I am old not quite sure what a vlog is but if I had to guess and correct me if I am old here.... It is some kind of video log?

Putting up a protected family video for friends and family of your kid's birthday party where your kid is dressed happy comfortable aware they are being filmed and cool with it, that isn't a violation. But if you are waking your kid in the middle of the night to videotape them in their bed to get views probably from a crowd banned from looking at children's images for obvious reasons.... That is so sick those are parents who should lose access to their child. If the child doesn't wish to be videoed that should be respected, if the parent is marketing this video or making money off it ewww. If they are doing it for likes, eww.... Get them yourself, not your kid's job to get you likes.

Sharing video with close friends and family of fully clothed kids who are fine being videoed isn't a problem. But to video them in their bathing suit and put it up on the internet for the masses should be an arrestable offense cuz it's f*cking icky. Parents have a duty to protect their children. They should NEVER be feeding them on a platter to the masses of sickophants in this world. If they are doing this, then they should be jailed.If parents want views for bathing suit videos fair enough. They can put on a bathing suit and make an only fans video of themselves. But NOT of their kids.

I don't believe in videoing children in vulnerable circumstances. As a matter of policy. So if they are in the hospital it's a no for me. If they are in any way weakened I am opposed. I also am opposed to videos of kids crying being shared. I just feel there is something yuchy about it. With close friends and family fair enough to share something like a smiling happy birthday video with kid who is totally clothed blowing out the candles on their cake. But for randos to like yuch nopes. Some things, like moments of extreme grief being told truly sad news are private moments. If parents want to exploit private moments, they can video themselves hearing the news their parent's have died. But NOT their kids.

Yes! I think it can be bad even for older children. I may accept limited sharing and even with more people of older children, when it is respectful videoing that the kid is a participant in, and it doesn't over step their privacy or market them deliberately to predators in compromised images. I also understand older children have hopes and dreams of being famous. So allowing some limited exploration of that with parents involved can in my view be ok so long as it is done with respect for the fact that this is still a child and that clothes stay on, privacy is respected, and it is not geared at being smutty for views.

If a child wants a video taken down, they can and should be able to ask within minutes of the video being put up or even before it is put up. It is NOT a request. ALL of us own our own image. They have an absolute right to choose how and where their image is used. There should be a lawyer appointed to the child, or a guardian outside the family who's job is to look out for what the child themselves feel is in their best interests if parents are USING them.

I generally feel children are a protected class of people. The internet has created many ways for them to be exploited. People are now always performing for views for the public desperate for approval, and in some cases for a pay day. You get to market yourself. You have a choice as an adult. But children, don't get a vote and I find it amazingly icky to literally put your kid in a fish bowl for your own gratification.

I am less bothered by pulling kids out of school. I don't believe in schools. I think if parents are not sickos abusing their kids and they are able to educate them at home that should be fine. But NOT for videos. For other reasons. For example I am dyslexic. I think I would have been happier and healthier educated at home. I believe in homeschooling because in school kids have 1 out of every 25 questions answered. Homeschooled, they can ask as many questions and have them all answered. For me that makes for a more educated person in the long haul. But videoing them should not be part of that. It should be about what is in the best interests of the child's learning not what gets mommy and daddy likes and shares.

I think we don't let kids sign contracts for reasons. Therefore they can't say weather they agree with it or not. What they agree with doesn't matter and has no value and should not be the basis of deciding much of anything beyond what flavor ice cream cone to get them. They are CHILDREN. i think it is an amazing betrayal, to USE them this way. They are easily manipulated and lack the experience ability to defend their private moments against someone with power over them. The parent child relationship is NOT one built on equity. The parents hold ALL the power. They can present a thing in any way they want and children don't have the tools to double check the facts surrounding the issue. They can't make choices about their welfare or we would have 5 year olds signing apartment leases. That isn't a thing so neither should be the use of children in videos available to the public.

I shall just cut to the chase, and be brutal in this one. I always keep telling that current social media madness turns our lives into a cyber zoo. Because these people remind me the apes in zoo holding out hand and ask for something. There is one slight difference though. First asks for fruits, and the latter asks for views and likes. If you sacrifice your privacy on the altar of public attention, concurrently you evoke evil spirits of modern times.

I hope, parents will ask chil's permission, no matter at what age. I'm sure parents don't care much about their child's feelings. There's a mother on russian TikTok who films her daughter, insulting her style, figure, character, making fun of her on camera. And I'm so happy when I read the comments and see that the girl is supported, and her mother is being reasoned with.

Thank you very much everybody who wrote!! That is super nice. But also bc i think it is really important and EVERYBODY talked about it today. If you watch it with subtitles in English i think everybody here can understand it. They had 60 experts like child doctors and psychologist and others who almost all were against it how they did it in the vlogs now. And a person from the cabinet was interviewed and he will make new rules.

And @Wildflower-Farm a vlog is like a video that you film about you and you post it online like every day or every week. I think that is also what you meant so it is the same. 🙂

My parents will watch the episode this evening and that is even my dad. But i am afraid what he thinks of it bc for him everything is the same like social media or a vlog or anything. But i think it is very different bc for example IG you can make super private but a vlog they put online is for everybody and that is NOTTT the same.

Ow and when i was writing this i saw Stasys reply!!! So also thank you!! 🙂 And i think that the parents from the vlogs are not caring so much about permission bc they need the vlogs or they have no money bc they dont have jobs anymore. And even if you are their child and you say it is ok i think that they dont know how dangerous it is unless they can also see the episode. But not if they are younger than 10 bc they dont understand it. And often in family vlogs you see babies every day or when they are super small still. So how can they give permission?

And one vlog family has youtube channels with vlogs of EVERY child and a vlog channel for the FAMILY. That is really not good. At least i think that.

The current legal conundrum in The Netherlands is the limited scope of legislation governing child labour. In essence, content creators can easily avoid needing to file for a permit by carefully structuring their vlogs as “ordinary daily life” and “kids at play” which happens to be captured on camera. Any primary commercial motive, the structural nature and possible exploitive behaviour are somewhat blurred by careful design. A first good step forward would be statutory reform in which the concept of e.g. child labour is reconsidered.

I won`t watch it. No attention from my side for this.
I just came back from an event with my Physio-Team.
We were at the Musical "Frozen"
I still find it very strange that everyone uses a cell phone
wherever they go. So much cell phones in one place give me a headache.
There seems to be no privacy anywhere anymore.

At the average playground in the weekend the majority of adults often seems to be occupied with senseless scrolling on their mobiles instead of constructing a sand castle larger than the Taj Mahal. Family time with your little minions is something to be cherished. Time flies (and in the absence of a mindful parent the same may apply to a rogue mini version which considers itself to be a mini jet while on the swing).

Thank you very much everybody who reacted!! I wanted to give a tip if anybody wants to see more and it is a tip from a friend of me in school: you can watch on Netflix the series Bad Influence. And it is about greedy parents and kidfluencers. I looked online for information in English so people can read it themselves.

Here you can see the trailer if you want on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ6H2QyeWAE

Some things i really didnt like what i saw in the trailer:

➡️ The mom who managed it earned in some months 300,000-500,000 dollars from the videos of her daughter and others in the group.

➡️ They had to make 10-15 videos every day.

➡️ 92% of the viewers were adult men!!!!!!!!

➡️ The mom made scripts for the videos and they had to hug and even kiss for the views. The mom said even flirt with the camera.

➡️ If you leave the group and they called it the squad you are blacklisted and the mom makes a hatecampaign.

➡️ They also shouted to the kids in the vlogs.

My friend said that the mom also sold clothes of her daughter that she had on to her fans. But we both think that is really wrong.

I am sorry that i posted AGAIN in this forum but i didnt watch this series and when i watched the trailer I really wanted to post it here so everybody knows how bad it is and i think it is an important topic.

Btw did anybody see the series Bad Influence on Netflix? Maybe @Roseeeee, @-Kiki-, @PinkiePie, @Txya, @Esma-Nur, @Miss_Penpal, @Emmiiii_17_11, @Annika2007, @Sarahsalah27 or maybe others? If yes: what did you think of it?

I haven't seen it, but I totally agree with the points you already draw. It's sick there's so many adult men watching and they're the ones buying their clothes! It's honestly disgusting.

1️⃣ Can children be used in family vlogs that their parents put on social media? When do you think it is allowed and when not? For example can they do challenges for views and in it there are secret commercials? For me its a no efen not with their animals

2️⃣ In the episode they said that the vlogs with the most views is always if people think it sexual even if that is maybe not the reason. So for example if the family swimming or if they do other things and the views are like A LOTTTT higher only then normal. Can their parents decide that even??? No i dont untherstand those people they dont know who look

3️⃣ Do you think that in vlogs you can even see for example if they cry or if they are in a hospital or that they are waken up by their parents in the night for the camera or they are told that their grandparents died and their parents put it on internet?nooo

4️⃣ Do you think family vlogs can be bad for children if they are older? Of course i never put my kids on any social media

5️⃣ If a child of their parents in the vlogs wants to have videos deleted, can they ask for it when they are 13? Or 16? Or 18? Or older? Bc maybe when they are for example 5 they can say yes but in high school they can get BULLIED about it.it mostbe forbidden to put their children unther the age 16

QUESTIONS:

1️⃣ Can children be used in family vlogs that their parents put on social media? When do you think it is allowed and when not? For example can they do challenges for views and in it there are secret commercials?

2️⃣ In the episode they said that the vlogs with the most views is always if people think it sexual even if that is maybe not the reason. So for example if the family swimming or if they do other things and the views are like A LOTTTT higher only then normal. Can their parents decide that even???

3️⃣ Do you think that in vlogs you can even see for example if they cry or if they are in a hospital or that they are waken up by their parents in the night for the camera or they are told that their grandparents died and their parents put it on internet?

4️⃣ Do you think family vlogs can be bad for children if they are older?

5️⃣ If a child of their parents in the vlogs wants to have videos deleted, can they ask for it when they are 13? Or 16? Or 18? Or older? Bc maybe when they are for example 5 they can say yes but in high school they can get BULLIED about it.

1. No, they shouldn't. My opinion is if they do they should hide the faces of the children and no big challenges till those children are 14 and if they want to do that theirselves too Ok well fine then do it with ur parents =)

2. The problem is that ht eparents show their children in such (pls i am trying to not sound offending) "half nacked clothings" on social media which makes pedos watch it more likely etc. and so auto. u get more views the parents can Censor that before uploading so nobody can use it "badly" (the views can drop though)

3. No it is again like point nr. one and i personally think vlogs like: Hey yes 5 min ago our granny died or or child injured here the reactions. I think these vlogs should get forbidden Parents just use children for money (thats obvious)

4. YES OFC!

5. Ofc that can happen with bullying and parents should be responcible for that and should care about the safety of their children in advance. like i said in nr. 1 and they should delete or if they dont delete make a new video censored the child.

=> Children do NOT belong into the Internet!

(Ofc it deoends how we understand interent in this case)