No need to get this extreme, I check tiktok sometimes and it is a nice app to share about art and drawings in general, and also to connect with artists and booktok is a safe place to discuss about books, and aesthetics sometimes. Anyways I sort of moved to rednote.
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I agree with @Etienne banning apps isn't the best solution, let me explain. cause every content in each account it's according to their history of his online activities. The existing algorithm works according to each user, whether the user often consumes stupid content or even the content is informative, full of positivity.
banning applications but the object that is the reason for the application being banned is not educated, not disciplined or even actually they have no problem (they can filter the bad things on the internet) so the policy is misdirected.
for example, even if TikTok is banned, a lot of teenager until young adult i know will move to Rednote to get the entertainment they need. I mean, I'm sure there is a cause and effect for issues like this. Like a child will not be tempted to play with a cellphone if their parents are creative in filling their child's time. everyone has situation and condition that cannot be generalized.
Moreover, the highest authority for children is their parents, not the state. no matter how the policy, as long as the parent still can't fill the void of children, issues like this will continue to occur.
and imo Rather than banning them, it would be better for the government to 'be more assertive' in providing rehabilitation services or consult session or program or socialization to children who have addictions & parent who have authority and responsibility.
note to remember, There will be no problems for the child if the parents can educate him well. I want to say that external factors also have an influence, but if the child has been instilled with good values they will be harder to fall into a negative direction.
and from what I have observed, children who are said to have problems actually have problems at home, they have problems that they are confused about how to solve so they vent their problems outside. whether parents often fight, broken home, children receive less attention, there is favoritism, etc.
all problem in child should be paid more attention to, rather than just banning the apps it straight away.
and @Yue_ i don't mind with your tag, tag me as u wish! 😇✨
I agree with @Etienne banning apps isn't the best solution, let me explain. cause every content in each account it's according to their history of his online activities. The existing algorithm works according to each user, whether the user often consumes stupid content or even the content is informative, full of positivity.
banning applications but the object that is the reason for the application being banned is not educated, not disciplined or even actually they have no problem (they can filter the bad things on the internet) so the policy is misdirected.
for example, even if TikTok is banned, a lot of teenager until young adult i know will move to Rednote to get the entertainment they need. I mean, I'm sure there is a cause and effect for issues like this. Like a child will not be tempted to play with a cellphone if their parents are creative in filling their child's time. everyone has situation and condition that cannot be generalized.
Moreover, the highest authority for children is their parents, not the state. no matter how the policy, as long as the parent still can't fill the void of children, issues like this will continue to occur.
and imo Rather than banning them, it would be better for the government to 'be more assertive' in providing rehabilitation services or consult session or program or socialization to children who have addictions & parent who have authority and responsibility.
note to remember, There will be no problems for the child if the parents can educate him well. I want to say that external factors also have an influence, but if the child has been instilled with good values they will be harder to fall into a negative direction.
and from what I have observed, children who are said to have problems actually have problems at home, they have problems that they are confused about how to solve so they vent their problems outside. whether parents often fight, broken home, children receive less attention, there is favoritism, etc.
all problem in child should be paid more attention to, rather than just banning the apps it straight away.
and @Yue_ i don't mind with your tag, tag me as u wish! 😇✨
Yes @Yue_ TAG ME ALWAYS PLEASE hhhhh well sayed @mayuuram i also limit my kids par example my daughter who is 14 can not have tiktok and fb and instagram because for me i think she us to young . My little from 5 years he xan also just look you tube kids hhhh but they always complain and say im to strict but i do that because i now the danger on web
Yes @Yue_ TAG ME ALWAYS PLEASE hhhhh well sayed @mayuuram i also limit my kids par example my daughter who is 14 can not have tiktok and fb and instagram because for me i think she us to young . My little from 5 years he xan also just look you tube kids hhhh but they always complain and say im to strict but i do that because i now the danger on web
thankyou auntie. 😇 From this issue (tiktok banning), to resolve the child's issue, the most important thing is to establish communication and cooperation between the child and the parents.
I am sure the child will not complain if the reasons and objectives are explained why at their ages not allowed to access. what are the dangers on the internet. because the more older the kid the curiosity increases, so parents need to explain continuously, have chat/deeptalk/discuss to their child without using a high tone.
Imagine if there was no explanation but only a prohibition? well, just like the TikTok teenagers who switched to Rednote. no matter how the country banning tiktok, As long as their parents don't try to help fill the void, they will continue to look for their own version of the solution.
Yeeeeeessss, I understand exactly what you mean, Blossom. I'm not really convinced that a ban will help either.
But then maybe we need to start somewhere else. Because disinformation, hate speech, homophobia, violence, misanthropic posts from the right or left, videos in which young people are humiliated and many other things will continue to be posted and my fear is that there will be more.
On TikTok, YouTube, Insta etc. Many people have radicalized themselves. This has actually already ended in terrorist attacks.
There have already been plenty of investigations into the truthfulness of TikTok videos. It can be said that around 20 percent of the videos contain untruths. I think that's a lot.
But these lies and this disinformation are not being curbed by any operator. But that would be their job, so I can understand why social media should be restricted.
thankyou auntie. 😇 From this issue (tiktok banning), to resolve the child's issue, the most important thing is to establish communication and cooperation between the child and the parents.
I am sure the child will not complain if the reasons and objectives are explained why at their ages not allowed to access. what are the dangers on the internet. because the more older the kid the curiosity increases, so parents need to explain continuously, have chat/deeptalk/discuss to their child without using a high tone.
Imagine if there was no explanation but only a prohibition? well, just like the TikTok teenagers who switched to Rednote. no matter how the country banning tiktok, As long as their parents don't try to help fill the void, they will continue to look for their own version of the solution.
Yes my son from 19 he always says to me thank you mama because before i was mad at you and dudt untherstand why you always says to me their are bad ghings ourbad people on internet. He says now i untherstand you just protect me untill im responsebel age
Hello everybody!! 🙋♀️💁♀️
This forum is made by @Melifekyybor and @Yue_ and we are super curious what you think about different social media bans!!! 😬😬🙄🙄🙄 This is happening:
1️⃣ In the USA maybe tomorrow there will be a TikTok BAN!!! And EVEN if you are not in the USA you can still see it because content creators and uploaders are often in the USA!! And maybe other countries will do the same!
2️⃣ In Australia the minimum age now for social media is 15 or 16 ANDDD we saw in the Dutch news that maybe it will also be in The Netherlands because they will talk about it in politics!! 😔😔😔 Maybe before they should choose anything they should FIRSTTT ask what we think about it because it is about us and not them!!!!!!
3️⃣ China blocked recently PPG and Mimi told us for example that you need a VPN or you cant use PPG anymore. 🙁
⬆️⬆️ What do you think about the social media bans as above BECAUSE it can happen in other countries TOO!!! And of course the above bans are very different from each other but maybe it will become worse than this too!! Do you think that the government should decide it or that persons can decide it themselves? And what are your other thoughts? 🆘🆘
Thank you very much!! 🙏🙏
tiktok的禁令让我在国内的平台上感觉我出国了
Yeeeeeessss, I understand exactly what you mean, Blossom. I'm not really convinced that a ban will help either.
But then maybe we need to start somewhere else. Because disinformation, hate speech, homophobia, violence, misanthropic posts from the right or left, videos in which young people are humiliated and many other things will continue to be posted and my fear is that there will be more.
On TikTok, YouTube, Insta etc. Many people have radicalized themselves. This has actually already ended in terrorist attacks.
There have already been plenty of investigations into the truthfulness of TikTok videos. It can be said that around 20 percent of the videos contain untruths. I think that's a lot.
But these lies and this disinformation are not being curbed by any operator. But that would be their job, so I can understand why social media should be restricted.
yep you are right with this and that. that's why The role of parents here is very large here. and I'm just explaining the situation and condition of children who have already fallen into playing social media, and trying to give solution how to deal with this issue. Forbidding without explanation will only end in the child playing behind your back. like example i've mentioned.
that's why in psychology, Authoritative parenting style has more positive impacts than authoritarian one ☺️
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glad to hear that auntie! i know you are a great mom 😇✨ @Fleurke
Yes, the cultural background certainly plays a big role here.
Here, the parents themselves are constantly on their smartphones 😃!
My very personal impression is that it's not easy to handle a given freedom properly.
yes that's why being a parent is not an easy job haha every parent have responsibility & demanded to be creative to fill the void of children.
because children who seek & vent outside are children who do not receive enough answer/explanation, love, attention, and time at home (from their family). that's why they look outside (from social media, safe place, friends, or people they thinks can help/answer them)
and that's why PPG exist, to create safe environment and @Etienne will gladly help if u have problem in here (ppg) ☺️
mayuuram muokkasi tätä .
its always how you use the app more than the app itself.
I also think that what @mayuuram said is right that here in PPG it is safe and if i feel unsafe i will tell it to @Etienne and also some of my friends to talk about it. And i read everything again above and i think that is what for example @-Kiki- meant.
Most of my friends at school have IG and also use for example tiktok and snap and other apps but my parents dont allow it. So i think that the parents can decide it and not the government.
And i think also what @dameauxviolettes said is right too that it depends on how you use the app too.
I agree with @Etienne banning apps isn't the best solution, let me explain. cause every content in each account it's according to their history of his online activities. The existing algorithm works according to each user, whether the user often consumes stupid content or even the content is informative, full of positivity.
There is a crucial point that is completely ommited here: It's not only about children or stupid content, but also about other factors. Namely how all social medias are built for the user to get addicted to it and how social medias have detrimental effects on people (adults too!).
Another point that you mention is that the algorithm work for each user. On TikTok, you have no notion of choice of content. Everything is suggested by an allmighty algorithm and that is another source of concerns, notably because it can be used against the people, but more simply, like any other social media, because it confines the user to a bubble and very little encourage towards something different. On an ideological perspective, that also means that it will push people to radicalism.
This is only the tip of the iceberg, but generally, the algorithms and AI on the internet are often full of problems on social medias (but also in Google), including national and ethical problems... So,yes, banning is certainly not the best solution, but other solutions are much more difficult to implement and there is an emergency to act and limits the damages made by these apps.
Thank you very much @Lianshen for your comment! 🙏🙏 It is nice that people write what they think and make it clear why too (so not just making statements but explaining it too). And everybody writes not in hostile but in friendly way and I am happy about that. 🙂
UPDATE
I saw in the Dutch news that now TikTok is banned in the USA. I looked for news in English and here is the news: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/19/tech/tiktok-ban/index.html
There is a crucial point that is completely ommited here: It's not only about children or stupid content, but also about other factors. Namely how all social medias are built for the user to get addicted to it and how social medias have detrimental effects on people (adults too!).
Another point that you mention is that the algorithm work for each user. On TikTok, you have no notion of choice of content. Everything is suggested by an allmighty algorithm and that is another source of concerns, notably because it can be used against the people, but more simply, like any other social media, because it confines the user to a bubble and very little encourage towards something different. On an ideological perspective, that also means that it will push people to radicalism.
This is only the tip of the iceberg, but generally, the algorithms and AI on the internet are often full of problems on social medias (but also in Google), including national and ethical problems... So,yes, banning is certainly not the best solution, but other solutions are much more difficult to implement and there is an emergency to act and limits the damages made by these apps.
hmmm Social media is a tool, and it is the individual who can make that tool useful or not. To be honest, I don't really put concern about the adults on this issue because adults are categorized as individuals who can take care of themselves, and they are not that stupid. they have right way much than people under them, cause adult should be the one who make the change. (that's why im more put concern on kid under 18)
but if they didn't, simply just ban the person or put them in blacklist, but not the apps. cause at the first time u regist to each social media (including tiktok), you'll be ask what kind of topic you like, and then u choose, and they will provide u with fyp their version.. but you still need to filter & build your own algorithm by click the 'not interested' feature inside shared button. And the algorithm will follow u immediately.
cause tbh, when some people complain about their fyp are trash, but tbh for me, my content are not trashy, it's all related to what i like, what topics do I really delve into & according to what I often search on google or I open the site. the contents of my fyp do not contain any content or circles that spread hate speech, discrimination, attack each other, etc. why? because when I see negative content or comments I immediately click 'not interested'. so it's not that scary it depends on each user, and better ban the user than the apps.
The action of banning the application only shows how lazy it is to select. because logically if everything is banned but the root of the problem is not resolved, issues like this will continue to occur in the future. i know it's not easy, but it doesn't mean it cannot be resolve
if u wanna know, this is what inside my account
1. cooking tutorials
2. pets
3. foods or place recommendation
4. beauty & health tips
5. and my fav game
so are contents like that harmful and trash? nope. so back to each individual, protect yourself, be wise, filter yourself and surrounds yourself with positivity. cause in the end, universe will connect positive people with positivity, if not, it's u who need to reflects, to figure why. blaming the tools will never find it's ending. one of proof ya people from tiktok move to rednote. cause the root aren't solved yet.
mayuuram muokkasi tätä .
There is a crucial point that is completely ommited here: It's not only about children or stupid content, but also about other factors. Namely how all social medias are built for the user to get addicted to it and how social medias have detrimental effects on people (adults too!).
You're right. However, one could make the exact same point about alcohol, tobacco, and even sugar. Should we ban anything that has a risk to trigger addiction? I personally very much believe in individual responsibility. Of course some people will fall into these "traps", but hey it is natural selection (which I believe in too, even in our modern world, but it's probably a controversial opinion).
Another point that you mention is that the algorithm work for each user. On TikTok, you have no notion of choice of content. Everything is suggested by an allmighty algorithm and that is another source of concerns, notably because it can be used against the people, but more simply, like any other social media, because it confines the user to a bubble and very little encourage towards something different. On an ideological perspective, that also means that it will push people to radicalism.
Again, you are right. But I think any system automatically picking topics for you is what you ultimately want too. Even if nothing was automated you would naturally gravitate towards what you like (ie: what you want to see) because we all crave that almighty confirmation bias. Nobody wants to see content that opposes their viewpoint, which at the end of the day is not the algorithm's fault
This is only the tip of the iceberg, but generally, the algorithms and AI on the internet are often full of problems on social medias (but also in Google), including national and ethical problems... So,yes, banning is certainly not the best solution, but other solutions are much more difficult to implement and there is an emergency to act and limits the damages made by these apps.
I think I reported it in another topic, but what China did with Tiktok is pretty smart: they use the power of the algorithm to push educational/smart content to users. That way, if kids are going to spend time on social media, they're going to see stuff that benefits them. It is still control of information by the government which is related to censorship, but hey, at least it is actually for the greater good this time I suppose.
Hello everybody!! 🙋♀️💁♀️
This forum is made by @Melifekyybor and @Yue_ and we are super curious what you think about different social media bans!!! 😬😬🙄🙄🙄 This is happening:
1️⃣ In the USA maybe tomorrow there will be a TikTok BAN!!! And EVEN if you are not in the USA you can still see it because content creators and uploaders are often in the USA!! And maybe other countries will do the same!
2️⃣ In Australia the minimum age now for social media is 15 or 16 ANDDD we saw in the Dutch news that maybe it will also be in The Netherlands because they will talk about it in politics!! 😔😔😔 Maybe before they should choose anything they should FIRSTTT ask what we think about it because it is about us and not them!!!!!!
3️⃣ China blocked recently PPG and Mimi told us for example that you need a VPN or you cant use PPG anymore. 🙁
⬆️⬆️ What do you think about the social media bans as above BECAUSE it can happen in other countries TOO!!! And of course the above bans are very different from each other but maybe it will become worse than this too!! Do you think that the government should decide it or that persons can decide it themselves? And what are your other thoughts? 🆘🆘
Thank you very much!! 🙏🙏
idk, what i do know is that ive been banned seferal times, in that case im against bannings.