It seems bigoted and arbitrary to me.
I only exercise the law: there is a clear distinction between giving an opinion and insulting/threatening someone.
Also, I know there is a very high chance you are that same person who got banned. I can't tell 100% for sure, maybe you're just a sibling, and I don't want to make a mistake if I happen to be wrong. Just letting you know I know you at least have strong ties.
Ok, thank you for explaining.
But I dont have an idea where my opinion is going to be censored. I can make websites with the biggest bullshit on it...no censoring! I can scream out my opinion on any street...no censoring. I can say everywhere I want my opinion even it is a complete lie...no censoring. So where is the censoring? I dont see anything like this. Of course, I just can say that about my country...
Many
times people were getting banned for minor content or when talking
about serious matter that are typically coined "far right", they were
instantly met with bann and/or a mob of people.
It's the same or
worse on other medias. On Youtube, you can't use some words... except if
you belong to a special box. Typically, if you are making rap songs,
then be free to say any insanity you want, especially if you fit the
cliché; but if you want to talk about something else, then prepare
yourself to use different words or some bip sounds to cover your
language.
You talked about censorship = state; do you believe
Youtube and other medias censor on their own? I don't think Facebook,
Instagram or Youtube care the least about having even a bunch of
neonazis saying the wildest crap ever there. They care about their
incomes and nobody, except Hugo Boss maybe, lol, want to be associated
with that kind of stories.
In real life, it's the same. In the
West, you have many such case of censorship, the peak being awful
stories like grooming gangs in the UK (e.g. Rotherham) that were covered
by the institutions and peopel talking about it instantly censored by
"fear of being racist". In Switzerland, you probably experience more
freedom than France, UK or Germany and maybe you don't perceive it like
that. From my own experience, Swiss were surprised why we couldn't say
that immigration is bad (if we thought so) in France or Germany, while
it was not difficult at all for him to talk about it.
This is a very Marxist point of view: have you considered the success of his companies stemmed from his ideas, close involvement in engineering strategies, and the person he represents? Being Elon Musk as the CEO magically gives a massive boost to his companies because... well, it's Elon Musk. I'm sure you could individually praise every solder in the Napoleonic era, but ultimately dismissing Napoleon himself would be very questionable.
As for taxes, he doesn't personally pocket taxpayers money. However he has personally paid over 10B in taxes. Yes, he's a tough man to work for: he's extremely demanding and I personally wouldn't want to work for him. But I'm glad he exists and some like minded people can team up with him to lead the world with innovations. Same thing with Apple circa 2006 with Steve Jobs (even though I despise him, they share similarities)
Well, and maybe it's Elon because his image has been idolized. You enter
a loop here : The more you idolize him, the more it gives a boost to
his companies, and the more he gives a boost to his companies, the more
he is idolized. As for his ideas, is it his ideas and is it him who made
it work? It's easy to take the paternity of an idea because "you" fund
the project and, in this way, you could thanks BlackRock/Larry Fink for many many things.
Of course, Musk has skills in managing his companies to make profits, but what I underlined in my comment is that:
- He got massive subsidies from government/taxpayers that he is against (like so many rich people, you go for communist for rich, but hard capitalism for peasants, and US is very much into this "socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor")
- He got into scams like Hyperloop and people tend to forget it (and it was a scam from the very begining)
- His massive success like Tesla is not of his own idea, but more like surfing on a trend he saw coming, where, in my opinion, essentially lies his talent
- Rights of the employees is controversial in Musk's companies. This is of course more of a thing if you are left oriented or totally into the twitter delirium so it's up to many, but Tesla facing lawsuits on this matter isn't nothing either. Just like you said, you wouldn't want to work for him, and me neither. I don't think Jobs should be praised either.
Even if it simply stemmed from his ideas only, do you think that this is what matters here? People with ideas to make spacecrafts cheap or electrical vehicles reliable are legions; people who can put enough money to make this eventually working can be counted on the fingers of your hands.
It doesn't take away all of his achievements. Of course SpaceX is an
impressive project in my opinion and things wouldn't be the same if he
was different. However, given his past and the fact that he is nothing more thana merchant, I would not idolize him or give him full trust at all. Hopefully I am worng though, and that he will work for people's interests more than his, and that he won't have a huge failure like for his truck. Afterall, Milei in Argentina seems to prove me wrong too (at least on short term, he had impressive results) when I thought libertarian ideology was bound to lead to a massive collapse.
Ps : I'm from Brittany, is it really a big surprise if I have some leftist tendency?😂
But it was her opinion...and when you talk about policys: if instagram does the same or facebook or tiktok, than it is bad (you criticised that) but if the same happens on PPG its ok?
The problem is that Etienne is responsible here and, under French law, is accountable for what is said. Hence, if you make a death threat, it's not you who will have to go to the tribunal in France, but him.
I'd agree that it would be better to say absolutely everything you have on your mind ((event hought I myself pointed out and maybe reported someone for death the same reason years ago... :v), but you can't throw someone else into troubles for that.
Well, and maybe it's Elon because his image has been idolized. You enter a loop here : The more you idolize him, the more it gives a boost to his companies, and the more he gives a boost to his companies, the more he is idolized. As for his ideas, is it his ideas and is it him who made it work? It's easy to take the paternity of an idea because "you" fund the project and, in this way, you could thanks BlackRock/Larry Fink for many many things.
It's true that you can have a virtuous cycle this way. I personally don't think this is the case for him because I listen to most lengthy contents that he's on, and he clearly has very in depth knowledge of what his engineers are working on. As a fellow engineer myself I love listening to his takes and feedback, he's able to show you around a factory and give anecdotes about the tiniest technical details behind each component. He works hand in hand with engineering teams at Tesla, Space X, xAI, unlike other large CEOs who just smoke cigars while staring at charts at their desks all day (of course it is a ridiculous exaggeration, but you get the picture). He is objectively amazing in that regard.
He got massive subsidies from government/taxpayers that he is against (like so many rich people, you go for communist for rich, but hard capitalism for peasants, and US is very much into this "socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor")
His companies weren't given free money: they just happen be in key industries that align with the government's interests (Tesla with energy transition, Space X with satellite launch technology), he doesn't get special treatment. Or were you referring to something else?
He got into scams like Hyperloop and people tend to forget it (and it was a scam from the very begining)
While it wasn't a success, I wouldn't go as far as to say it was a scam from the very beginning. One could argue FSD (full self driving), the Space X reusable launch system or even Neuralink chips would've been obvious scams if it wasn't for all the amazing achievements that are happening. I could be wrong though, I didn't follow this one too closely.
Even if it simply stemmed from his ideas only, do you think that this is what matters here? People with ideas to make spacecrafts cheap or electrical vehicles reliable are legions; people who can put enough money to make this eventually working can be counted on the fingers of your hands.
It's not just ideas, it's the ability to turn them into reality. For example the biggest challenge by far at Tesla was the large scale manufacturing of cars. Tesla's prime achievement isn't their cars, it's their giga factories. You need to excel at many things at once - on top of having a lot of money you're very likely to flush down the toilet - to succeed in such endeavors.
However, given his past and the fact that he is nothing more thana merchant, I would not idolize him or give him full trust at all. Hopefully I am worng though, and that he will work for people's interests more than his, and that he won't have a huge failure like for his truck. Afterall, Milei in Argentina seems to prove me wrong too (at least on short term, he had impressive results) when I thought libertarian ideology was bound to lead to a massive collapse.
This is our key disagreement: you see him as a merchant, I see him as a technical genius. The thing is Elon Musk is a notoriously bad public speaker, he's socially awkward, he doesn't carry himself well. I understand many people look at him defiantly. When he's in "work mode" and you listen to him, that's when you realize his true potential. But I understand the average person isn't the target audience for such contents. I don't agree with all his takes, but I will at least hear him.
Afterall, Milei in Argentina seems to prove me wrong too (at least on short term, he had impressive results) when I thought libertarian ideology was bound to lead to a massive collapse.
Looks like we might be on the same path. Some of my past certainties have certainly faded!
It's true that you can have a virtuous cycle this way. I personally don't think this is the case for him because I listen to most lengthy contents that he's on, and he clearly has very in depth knowledge of what his engineers are working on. As a fellow engineer myself I love listening to his takes and feedback, he's able to show you around a factory and give anecdotes about the tiniest technical details behind each component. He works hand in hand with engineering teams at Tesla, Space X, xAI, unlike other large CEOs who just smoke cigars while staring at charts at their desks all day (of course it is a ridiculous exaggeration, but you get the picture). He is objectively amazing in that regard.
I admit I don't look too much at his life, so maybe there is a part of truth in what you said. However, when a simple word from a man makes a shitcoin skyrocket, then it is difficult not to think that this isn't one of the main factor. People act too much like believers with brands and ceo nowadays.
His companies weren't given free money: they just happen be in key industries that align with the government's interests (Tesla with energy transition, Space X with satellite launch technology), he doesn't get special treatment. Or were you referring to something else?
It doesn't have to be free money to still be socialism for rich. I shall remind you here that you get the RSA in France because you are supposed to look for a job, and the student scholarship because you are supposed to attend your courses. Same applies with his companies. He gets the money because he is supposed to work on electrical vehicles etc. I'm not blaming that and I am actually for some subsidies or even nationalization (EDF in France was much better before, same for SNCF). What I blame here is a double standard: You take the money and see it as an investment when you spend billions, but when Gerard want 600/months, then it's noooo good and a pure waste of money.
To me, that is incoherent and one should apply the same filter to both: Either you refuse it to both, give it to both, or find compensation for the money spent in both case.
While it wasn't a success, I wouldn't go as far as to say it was a scam from the very beginning. One could argue FSD (full self driving), the Space X reusable launch system or even Neuralink chips would've been obvious scams if it wasn't for all the amazing achievements that are happening. I could be wrong though, I didn't follow this one too closely.
I didn't check it before its success for SpaceX, so, right, I could have thought the same, that it was a scam. However, the hyperloop smelled fishy when looking the details:
- Already projects like that way before, yet failed (you could say the electrical car is 200 years odl though,
- low pressurisation = energy consuming++, dangerous
- expensiveeven in the infrastructures, worse than trains
- way better alternatives (trains)
More than an obvious scam, Neuralink sounded very dangerous to me, and still does... It brings "cognitive hacking" to a whole new level.
It's not just ideas, it's the ability to turn them into reality. For example the biggest challenge by far at Tesla was the large scale manufacturing of cars. Tesla's prime achievement isn't their cars, it's their giga factories. You need to excel at many things at once - on top of having a lot of money you're very likely to flush down the toilet - to succeed in such endeavors.
Well, my bad for limiting it to ideas. My point was mainly to say how important is capital. You can have everything else, but if you don't have the capital, then you do nothing and I think that you somewhat go in that sense when you say that Tesla's biggest achievent is their giga factories. Musk happens to have the capital to do it. eventually the ideas, but for the challenges, I think it's safe to claim that like for Google, IBM, SNCF... the scientific and engineering challenges are solved by a bunch of extremely competent people rather than Musk, or let's say the CEO of Google, Apple (when that other man was alive) etc.
This is our key disagreement: you see him as a merchant, I see him as a technical genius. The thing is Elon Musk is a notoriously bad public speaker, he's socially awkward, he doesn't carry himself well. I understand many people look at him defiantly. When he's in "work mode" and you listen to him, that's when you realize his true potential. But I understand the average person isn't the target audience for such contents. I don't agree with all his takes, but I will at least hear him.
That's a terrible mistake to say that Musk is, basically, bad at communicating. One of his very strong points in, on the contrary, communication and being a showman. He sure doesn't talk super well and is socially awkward, but, hey, you work on computer, have a social media and are a millenials, how come can you forget one key point: internet? Musk is very very very good on the internet and understands more than many rich people the power of using memes (this man is even active on a meme app I use).
Being able to use internet and its codes makes you better than so many people when it comes to get an aura. If you add to that his other qualities, so that's overcome his problem with public speaking.
Also, by merchant, for me it's not only about communication, but about selling. Musk isn't the man who made the design of SpaceX rockets (well, I heard he asked for some aesthetical elements...), he is the man who funds and sells them.
Now I think you are also contradicting yourself. You said that Musk knows his subject. That implies to be able to talk in a simple way about his projects.
Looks like we might be on the same path. Some of my past certainties have certainly faded!
If you meant that I might become a libertarian in the future, the chances are very slim! I see too many problems with it still, like potential abuses. However, yes, we still have room to improve and learn. Is US is getting much better under the impulse of Musk in his ministry, then I will certainly have to revise my view, just like for Argentina. So let's hope I am wrong!
It doesn't have to be free money to still be socialism for rich. I shall remind you here that you get the RSA in France because you are supposed to look for a job, and the student scholarship because you are supposed to attend your courses. Same applies with his companies. He gets the money because he is supposed to work on electrical vehicles etc. I'm not blaming that and I am actually for some subsidies or even nationalization (EDF in France was much better before, same for SNCF). What I blame here is a double standard: You take the money and see it as an investment when you spend billions, but when Gerard want 600/months, then it's noooo good and a pure waste of money.
To me, that is incoherent and one should apply the same filter to both: Either you refuse it to both, give it to both, or find compensation for the money spent in both case.
I'm not sure I understand the double standard you are referring to. RSA isn't to look for a job, it is literally free money for those who don't want to work (but it's off topic). Elon Musk doesn't get any money, the buyers get tax cuts to buy electrical vehicles, regardless of the manufacturer. Same with Space X, the state is a client, it gives money in exchange for a service.
SNCF has always been one of the worst money pits that the state has ever touched: it costs taxpayers 20B euros every year, train tickets are still consistently more expensive than plane tickets (despite airlines' artificially huge tax burden, imagine that), and they still manage to be in debt. To top it off, SNCF staff earns more throughout their career than private workers, and if they don't get a pay raise above inflation every year they go on strike and shut down the entire country. Which they always get what they want, on top of having their strike days fully reimbursed. This company urgently needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up.
EDF is a different story, it was artificially destroyed by the EU with complicit French leaders.
Well, my bad for limiting it to ideas. My point was mainly to say how important is capital. You can have everything else, but if you don't have the capital, then you do nothing and I think that you somewhat go in that sense when you say that Tesla's biggest achievent is their giga factories. Musk happens to have the capital to do it. eventually the ideas, but for the challenges, I think it's safe to claim that like for Google, IBM, SNCF... the scientific and engineering challenges are solved by a bunch of extremely competent people rather than Musk, or let's say the CEO of Google, Apple (when that other man was alive) etc.
My point was that you can very much include Musk with the "extremely competent people" you are talking about. And yes money is important, but you don't necessarily need money to carry out your project. This is what investors are for, the catch is they will only step in if risk is somewhat limited. Elon Musk has kept making ridiculously risky and expensive bets that ended up pay off most of the time, that's what makes him special: the combination of skills, money, and high risk.
That's a terrible mistake to say that Musk is, basically, bad at communicating. One of his very strong points in, on the contrary, communication and being a showman. He sure doesn't talk super well and is socially awkward, but, hey, you work on computer, have a social media and are a millenials, how come can you forget one key point: internet? Musk is very very very good on the internet and understands more than many rich people the power of using memes (this man is even active on a meme app I use).
I think you're overthinking his mindset. He's just winging it in life, as if it were a video game. I don't believe he's some evil genius with a hidden plot because of the countless stupid sh*t he's done in the past just for the sake of lols - as we used to say. Whether it's the sink thing at Twitter, the flamethrower he made a few years ago, or him streaming Diablo IV every once in a while (he recently became the top player in the world, yet something very weird/hard to believe). I genuinely think communication is the least of his worries. In fact, you think he spends so much time sharing memes because he's good at communication, I think he does it because he absolutely doesn't care. He shouldn't try to appeal to teenagers, he should try to appeal to adults/elites if anything. I see it as entertainment in its simplest form
Now I think you are also contradicting yourself. You said that Musk knows his subject. That implies to be able to talk in a simple way about his projects.
Why do you say this is a contradiction? In his keynotes he's able to talk briefly about new key features. But anyone is able to present these, I'm personally way more interested in details and seeing how one is involved in them
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Agreed
The funny thing is: The (future) government of Donald Trump is füll of people who belongs to the elite of American society with Billionairs. And the citizens doesnt interest it, because the only thing they care about is: How much money do I have left at the end of the month.
The funny thing is: The (future) government of Donald Trump is füll of people who belongs to the elite of American society with Billionairs. And the citizens doesnt interest it, because the only thing they care about is: How much money do I have left at the end of the month.
What else are they supposed to think about?
They are forced to think that.
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The irony being that this lower class you speak of are the ones who suffer the most from this so called culture war. More immigration = lower wagers for unskilled workers because of increased competition. DEI = discrimination against employee skills. More regulations = stifled economy growth, which in turn leads to poorer population.
This meme only calls for emotions - no one likes being lied to - but realistically makes no sense. Besides, Marx is very much not the true altruistic mind people think he was.
