Why can this web release Taiwan from China？！！ Politics and governments

Taiwan is an inalienable part of China. Compatriots on both sides of the Taiwan Straits share the same root and the same culture. During the Three Kingdoms and Sui dynasties, the Chinese government sent more than 10000 people to Taiwan. Since the late Ming and early Qing Dynasties, a large number of residents in Southern Fujian and eastern Guangdong moved to Taiwan for cultivation, and finally formed a society dominated by the Han nationality. The main minority Gaoshan Nationality is the same as the Zhuang and Dong people in South China; Successive Chinese governments have exercised jurisdiction over Taiwan. Although China was defeated in the Sino Japanese War of 1894 and signed the Treaty of Shimonoseki with Japan, it signed the Treaty of Shimonoseki after Japan's defeat in the war of aggression against China，including the return of Taiwan to China.
Since Taiwan has a history, until now, it has always belonged to China!

FREE TAIWAN!!

If you illiterates who pretend to know nothing have not studied history, you can go to see more relevant historical materials. Taiwan has been a part of China since ancient times. What you said sounds like a joke to me - about making Hawaii an independent country

Some of you know nothing about the history of your own country and have no brains to comment on the history and politics of other countries. Let me tell you that you are not qualified. Besides, this is a very childish thing

We admit that China is not as good as your country in many places, but that doesn't mean you can gesticulate like fools

From what I remember, Taiwan was meaningless before the Ming dynasty got kicked out by the Mandchus. It then became the land to which the remaining loyalist left for a while. So I don't understand why bringing the 3K and the Sui here. As for now, Taiwan is more or less independent from mainland, no matter how it pleases or not China and Chinese people; it's a fact, and most of Westerners would separate both China and Taiwan as well.

Hence: No, Taiwan hasn't been China all the way, just like Southern China, Yunan, Xingjiang, Manchuri, Mongolia, Tibet...
Taiwan will probably remain separated from Mainland because most of people think it is and Taiwaneses as well, no matter what Chineses and China think about it, at least until a possible unification.

PS : USA is worse than China in many ways.

From what I remember, Taiwan was meaningless before the Ming dynasty got kicked out by the Mandchus. It then became the land to which the remaining loyalist left for a while. So I don't understand why bringing the 3K and the Sui here. As for now, Taiwan is more or less independent from mainland, no matter how it pleases or not China and Chinese people; it's a fact, and most of Westerners would separate both China and Taiwan as well.

Hence: No, Taiwan hasn't been China all the way, just like Southern China, Yunan, Xingjiang, Manchuri, Mongolia, Tibet...
Taiwan will probably remain separated from Mainland because most of people think it is and Taiwaneses as well, no matter what Chineses and China think about it, at least until a possible unification.

PS : USA is worse than China in many ways.

Taiwan has been an inherent territory of China since ancient times. In fact, as early as the Qin and Han Dynasties, mainland residents contacted Taiwan. At that time, Taiwan was named "Ryukyu"; During the Three Kingdoms period, Taiwan was named "Yizhou"; From the Sui Dynasty to the Yuan Dynasty, Taiwan was named "Liuqiu". At that time, the government set up the "Penghu inspection department" to manage Taiwan; In the middle of the Ming Dynasty, Taiwan was named "Dongfan"; At the end of the Ming Dynasty, Taiwan had its current name - "Taiwan".
In March 1661 (the 18th year of Shunzhi in the Qing Dynasty and the 15th year of Yongli in the Southern Ming Dynasty), Zhengchenggong personally led 25000 soldiers and set out from Jinmen in hundreds of warships. They braved the wind and waves, crossed the Taiwan Strait, rested in Penghu for a few days, and prepared to take Taiwan directly. The Dutch invaders were terrified when they heard that Zhengchenggong was going to attack Taiwan. They concentrated their troops on two castles in Taiwan (today's Taiwan's Dongping area) and Chiqian (today's Tainan), and sank their ships in the port to prevent Zheng Chenggong's fleet from landing. Taking advantage of the rising tide, Zheng Jun sailed his fleet into the inner sea of deer gate. The main force landed at Heliao port, attacked chizhen city from the side, and cut off the connection with Taiwan city. During the battle, the invading army attacked with the "Hector" warship. Zhengchenggong gave an order to encircle the enemy closely. More than 60 warships fired their guns together and sank the "Hector". At the same time, they defeated the reinforcements of Taiwan city. When the water supply was cut off and there was no hope for foreign aid, the Dutch army surrendered to Zheng Jun. The invading army entrenched in the Taiwan city tried to make a last ditch effort to resist. Zhengchenggong built an earthen platform around the city and besieged the enemy for 8 months. After that, he ordered a strong attack on the Taiwan city.

So far, Zhengchenggong recovered the occupied Chinese territory of Taiwan from the Dutch invaders for 38 years. The war ended the operation of the Dutch East India Company in Taiwan, China, China, and opened the rule of the Ming Zheng regime over Taiwan. Since 1683, Taiwan has been subordinate to Fujian Province of China.

From what I remember, Taiwan was meaningless before the Ming dynasty got kicked out by the Mandchus. It then became the land to which the remaining loyalist left for a while. So I don't understand why bringing the 3K and the Sui here. As for now, Taiwan is more or less independent from mainland, no matter how it pleases or not China and Chinese people; it's a fact, and most of Westerners would separate both China and Taiwan as well.

Hence: No, Taiwan hasn't been China all the way, just like Southern China, Yunan, Xingjiang, Manchuri, Mongolia, Tibet...
Taiwan will probably remain separated from Mainland because most of people think it is and Taiwaneses as well, no matter what Chineses and China think about it, at least until a possible unification.

PS : USA is worse than China in many ways.

You're right. All countries have their own advantages and disadvantages

From what I remember, Taiwan was meaningless before the Ming dynasty got kicked out by the Mandchus. It then became the land to which the remaining loyalist left for a while. So I don't understand why bringing the 3K and the Sui here. As for now, Taiwan is more or less independent from mainland, no matter how it pleases or not China and Chinese people; it's a fact, and most of Westerners would separate both China and Taiwan as well.

Hence: No, Taiwan hasn't been China all the way, just like Southern China, Yunan, Xingjiang, Manchuri, Mongolia, Tibet...
Taiwan will probably remain separated from Mainland because most of people think it is and Taiwaneses as well, no matter what Chineses and China think about it, at least until a possible unification.

PS : USA is worse than China in many ways.

Taiwan has been an inherent territory of China since ancient times. In fact, as early as the Qin and Han Dynasties, mainland residents contacted Taiwan. At that time, Taiwan was named "Ryukyu"; During the Three Kingdoms period, Taiwan was named "Yizhou"; From the Sui Dynasty to the Yuan Dynasty, Taiwan was named "Liuqiu". At that time, the government set up the "Penghu inspection department" to manage Taiwan; In the middle of the Ming Dynasty, Taiwan was named "Dongfan"; At the end of the Ming Dynasty, Taiwan had its current name - "Taiwan".

The QIn dynasty barely conquered Southern China and Nanman were still quite a problem for the Hans for at least a millenary following China's unification... A contact with aborigenes isn't equivalent to owning the lands, the same as Greeks knowing Sicily wasn't enough to make Sicily a part of Greek city-states.

In March 1661 (the 18th year of Shunzhi in the Qing Dynasty and the 15th year of Yongli in the Southern Ming Dynasty), Zhengchenggong personally led 25000 soldiers and set out from Jinmen in hundreds of warships. They braved the wind and waves, crossed the Taiwan Strait, rested in Penghu for a few days, and prepared to take Taiwan directly. The Dutch invaders were terrified when they heard that Zhengchenggong was going to attack Taiwan. They concentrated their troops on two castles in Taiwan (today's Taiwan's Dongping area) and Chiqian (today's Tainan), and sank their ships in the port to prevent Zheng Chenggong's fleet from landing. Taking advantage of the rising tide, Zheng Jun sailed his fleet into the inner sea of deer gate. The main force landed at Heliao port, attacked chizhen city from the side, and cut off the connection with Taiwan city. During the battle, the invading army attacked with the "Hector" warship. Zhengchenggong gave an order to encircle the enemy closely. More than 60 warships fired their guns together and sank the "Hector". At the same time, they defeated the reinforcements of Taiwan city. When the water supply was cut off and there was no hope for foreign aid, the Dutch army surrendered to Zheng Jun. The invading army entrenched in the Taiwan city tried to make a last ditch effort to resist. Zhengchenggong built an earthen platform around the city and besieged the enemy for 8 months. After that, he ordered a strong attack on the Taiwan city.

So far, Zhengchenggong recovered the occupied Chinese territory of Taiwan from the Dutch invaders for 38 years. The war ended the operation of the Dutch East India Company in Taiwan, China, China, and opened the rule of the Ming Zheng regime over Taiwan. Since 1683, Taiwan has been subordinate to Fujian Province of China.

That's just like I said. Taiwan was irrelevant for China before the late Ming dynasty. No need to "rewirte" the history saying that the land has been taking back from so called Dutch invaders while nobody cared about that island in the past. Only Japaneses attempted to settle there and got kicked out by the aboriginal people, which shows how Chinese the island was...

From what I remember, Taiwan was meaningless before the Ming dynasty got kicked out by the Mandchus. It then became the land to which the remaining loyalist left for a while. So I don't understand why bringing the 3K and the Sui here. As for now, Taiwan is more or less independent from mainland, no matter how it pleases or not China and Chinese people; it's a fact, and most of Westerners would separate both China and Taiwan as well.

Hence: No, Taiwan hasn't been China all the way, just like Southern China, Yunan, Xingjiang, Manchuri, Mongolia, Tibet...
Taiwan will probably remain separated from Mainland because most of people think it is and Taiwaneses as well, no matter what Chineses and China think about it, at least until a possible unification.

PS : USA is worse than China in many ways.

Taiwan has been an inherent territory of China since ancient times. In fact, as early as the Qin and Han Dynasties, mainland residents contacted Taiwan. At that time, Taiwan was named "Ryukyu"; During the Three Kingdoms period, Taiwan was named "Yizhou"; From the Sui Dynasty to the Yuan Dynasty, Taiwan was named "Liuqiu". At that time, the government set up the "Penghu inspection department" to manage Taiwan; In the middle of the Ming Dynasty, Taiwan was named "Dongfan"; At the end of the Ming Dynasty, Taiwan had its current name - "Taiwan".

The QIn dynasty barely conquered Southern China and Nanman were still quite a problem for the Hans for at least a millenary following China's unification... A contact with aborigenes isn't equivalent to owning the lands, the same as Greeks knowing Sicily wasn't enough to make Sicily a part of Greek city-states.

In March 1661 (the 18th year of Shunzhi in the Qing Dynasty and the 15th year of Yongli in the Southern Ming Dynasty), Zhengchenggong personally led 25000 soldiers and set out from Jinmen in hundreds of warships. They braved the wind and waves, crossed the Taiwan Strait, rested in Penghu for a few days, and prepared to take Taiwan directly. The Dutch invaders were terrified when they heard that Zhengchenggong was going to attack Taiwan. They concentrated their troops on two castles in Taiwan (today's Taiwan's Dongping area) and Chiqian (today's Tainan), and sank their ships in the port to prevent Zheng Chenggong's fleet from landing. Taking advantage of the rising tide, Zheng Jun sailed his fleet into the inner sea of deer gate. The main force landed at Heliao port, attacked chizhen city from the side, and cut off the connection with Taiwan city. During the battle, the invading army attacked with the "Hector" warship. Zhengchenggong gave an order to encircle the enemy closely. More than 60 warships fired their guns together and sank the "Hector". At the same time, they defeated the reinforcements of Taiwan city. When the water supply was cut off and there was no hope for foreign aid, the Dutch army surrendered to Zheng Jun. The invading army entrenched in the Taiwan city tried to make a last ditch effort to resist. Zhengchenggong built an earthen platform around the city and besieged the enemy for 8 months. After that, he ordered a strong attack on the Taiwan city.

So far, Zhengchenggong recovered the occupied Chinese territory of Taiwan from the Dutch invaders for 38 years. The war ended the operation of the Dutch East India Company in Taiwan, China, China, and opened the rule of the Ming Zheng regime over Taiwan. Since 1683, Taiwan has been subordinate to Fujian Province of China.

That's just like I said. Taiwan was irrelevant for China before the late Ming dynasty. No need to "rewirte" the history saying that the land has been taking back from so called Dutch invaders while nobody cared about that island in the past. Only Japaneses attempted to settle there and got kicked out by the aboriginal people, which shows how Chinese the island was...

Taiwan's early writing, culture, science and technology were all transmitted from China. Although Taiwan was not subordinate to China at that time, it was attached to China.And during Yuan Dynasty, the government set up the "Penghu inspection department" to manage Taiwan。

From what I remember, Taiwan was meaningless before the Ming dynasty got kicked out by the Mandchus. It then became the land to which the remaining loyalist left for a while. So I don't understand why bringing the 3K and the Sui here. As for now, Taiwan is more or less independent from mainland, no matter how it pleases or not China and Chinese people; it's a fact, and most of Westerners would separate both China and Taiwan as well.

Hence: No, Taiwan hasn't been China all the way, just like Southern China, Yunan, Xingjiang, Manchuri, Mongolia, Tibet...
Taiwan will probably remain separated from Mainland because most of people think it is and Taiwaneses as well, no matter what Chineses and China think about it, at least until a possible unification.

PS : USA is worse than China in many ways.

Taiwan has been an inherent territory of China since ancient times. In fact, as early as the Qin and Han Dynasties, mainland residents contacted Taiwan. At that time, Taiwan was named "Ryukyu"; During the Three Kingdoms period, Taiwan was named "Yizhou"; From the Sui Dynasty to the Yuan Dynasty, Taiwan was named "Liuqiu". At that time, the government set up the "Penghu inspection department" to manage Taiwan; In the middle of the Ming Dynasty, Taiwan was named "Dongfan"; At the end of the Ming Dynasty, Taiwan had its current name - "Taiwan".

The QIn dynasty barely conquered Southern China and Nanman were still quite a problem for the Hans for at least a millenary following China's unification... A contact with aborigenes isn't equivalent to owning the lands, the same as Greeks knowing Sicily wasn't enough to make Sicily a part of Greek city-states.

In March 1661 (the 18th year of Shunzhi in the Qing Dynasty and the 15th year of Yongli in the Southern Ming Dynasty), Zhengchenggong personally led 25000 soldiers and set out from Jinmen in hundreds of warships. They braved the wind and waves, crossed the Taiwan Strait, rested in Penghu for a few days, and prepared to take Taiwan directly. The Dutch invaders were terrified when they heard that Zhengchenggong was going to attack Taiwan. They concentrated their troops on two castles in Taiwan (today's Taiwan's Dongping area) and Chiqian (today's Tainan), and sank their ships in the port to prevent Zheng Chenggong's fleet from landing. Taking advantage of the rising tide, Zheng Jun sailed his fleet into the inner sea of deer gate. The main force landed at Heliao port, attacked chizhen city from the side, and cut off the connection with Taiwan city. During the battle, the invading army attacked with the "Hector" warship. Zhengchenggong gave an order to encircle the enemy closely. More than 60 warships fired their guns together and sank the "Hector". At the same time, they defeated the reinforcements of Taiwan city. When the water supply was cut off and there was no hope for foreign aid, the Dutch army surrendered to Zheng Jun. The invading army entrenched in the Taiwan city tried to make a last ditch effort to resist. Zhengchenggong built an earthen platform around the city and besieged the enemy for 8 months. After that, he ordered a strong attack on the Taiwan city.

So far, Zhengchenggong recovered the occupied Chinese territory of Taiwan from the Dutch invaders for 38 years. The war ended the operation of the Dutch East India Company in Taiwan, China, China, and opened the rule of the Ming Zheng regime over Taiwan. Since 1683, Taiwan has been subordinate to Fujian Province of China.

That's just like I said. Taiwan was irrelevant for China before the late Ming dynasty. No need to "rewirte" the history saying that the land has been taking back from so called Dutch invaders while nobody cared about that island in the past. Only Japaneses attempted to settle there and got kicked out by the aboriginal people, which shows how Chinese the island was...

Taiwan's early writing, culture, science and technology were all transmitted from China. Although Taiwan was not subordinate to China at that time, it was attached to China.And during Yuan Dynasty, the government set up the "Penghu inspection department" to manage Taiwan。

Nah, culture in Taiwan has been replaced, same for ethnicity, that's all... Just like Greeks in Sicily colonized the coast then the whole island.
As for being "attached", I don't know what you refer too... If it's like a tributary state, it doesn't make Vietnam, Korea or Mongolia more Chinese either, despite Korea was a long tributary of the chinese dynasties.

Taiwan is an inalienable part of China. Compatriots on both sides of the Taiwan Straits share the same root and the same culture. During the Three Kingdoms and Sui dynasties, the Chinese government sent more than 10000 people to Taiwan. Since the late Ming and early Qing Dynasties, a large number of residents in Southern Fujian and eastern Guangdong moved to Taiwan for cultivation, and finally formed a society dominated by the Han nationality. The main minority Gaoshan Nationality is the same as the Zhuang and Dong people in South China; Successive Chinese governments have exercised jurisdiction over Taiwan. Although China was defeated in the Sino Japanese War of 1894 and signed the Treaty of Shimonoseki with Japan, it signed the Treaty of Shimonoseki after Japan's defeat in the war of aggression against China，including the return of Taiwan to China.
Since Taiwan has a history, until now, it has always belonged to China!

Free Taiwan now!!!

Free Taiwan now!!!

I hope you are aware that Taiwan still has an independent government and hasn't been invaded whatsoever, even if it could be different in the future regarding the politics in Chinese Seas...

Really, i don't get it. Why anyone could claim that something so abstract and big as: country. Huge group of society, with culture, identity, territory... Why would it belong to You, if that group doesn't want it? We have XXI century. Grow up. At least You, not politician. As normal citizen, You have no particular interests in conquering any land I suppose. I don't care about history now, because it doesn't matter at all. You know, in europe for example, each country could make a claim on others country's territory, if we would follow Your stupid logic. Because all we have something what at least once belonged to another.

If people dont want to live under Your government, You would force them? Really? How imperialistic can people still be ... And it's in reality, not in Europa Universalis IV. Wow.

Is this what they teach young people in Your country about now? That Taiwan should belong to China just because? Or that what once was Yours, should be Yours forever?

As someone said on another forum, China has a gun to Taiwan's head and asks for friendship. This definitely would not be appropriate behavor for making friends on this Penpalgate!

Don't force Taiwanese to accept a government they don't like.

Really, i don't get it. Why anyone could claim that something so abstract and big as: country. Huge group of society, with culture, identity, territory... Why would it belong to You, if that group doesn't want it? We have XXI century. Grow up. At least You, not politician. As normal citizen, You have no particular interests in conquering any land I suppose. I don't care about history now, because it doesn't matter at all. You know, in europe for example, each country could make a claim on others country's territory, if we would follow Your stupid logic. Because all we have something what at least once belonged to another.

If people dont want to live under Your government, You would force them? Really? How imperialistic can people still be ... And it's in reality, not in Europa Universalis IV. Wow.

Is this what they teach young people in Your country about now? That Taiwan should belong to China just because? Or that what once was Yours, should be Yours forever?

If you think that the past history is not important, it is your own business. Just as Germany's attack on Poland is not important, it is your own choice. China is a country that remembers history and can learn from it. Besides, it seems that you are not qualified to speak for my predecessors

As someone said on another forum, China has a gun to Taiwan's head and asks for friendship. This definitely would not be appropriate behavor for making friends on this Penpalgate!

Haha, so you think so? Then I would like to ask, is it very friendly diplomacy for the United States to invade Iraq, massacre the Afghan people, and form gangs against China, and go back a little earlier, to bomb Yugoslavia and the Chinese Embassy by falsely claiming "missile launch errors" for its own interests? Then let me tell you that this is aggression. This is recklessness for your own interests. You dare not even admit that it is childish and shameful to hide behind the banner of "maintaining world peace".