日本侵华战争/War of Resistance against Japanese Aggression Anything and everything

Massacre and rape look like the ones who did that are stronger because they force things. But I believe that people who do that are actually weaker because they abuse persons who cant defend themselves. But in every war it happens and the winning soldiers are often guilty of that. And the real victims are people who are not even soldiers.

As we say, History is written by winners. Remembering the past is fine, but:

- Aren't you worried that the government omits some events in order to embellish its image? Typically Pennarossa2024 mention the rapes of the French army in Italy: this might be told to italians students, but except a line among a ton of chapters, it's not a thing in the French education because it doesn't serve the French narrative.

- Japan is nowhere close to what it used to be and could never reproduce the invasion of China even if it wanted too because the context is different. China isn't so late behind technologically speaking, like it was back then (and this can't be blamed on Japan; the Qing arrogance and Cixi's greed for power and boycott of the 100 days' reforms just led to the disaster). Japan nowadays is also traumatized by Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the Japaneses certainly aren't bellicists people.

If Nanjing massacre and the war on the Asian side was certainly awful, it also feels like Chinese government is using it to keep alive some rancour and cultivate a strong nationalism in the younger generations. At least, that's my perception of the things because even if every Chineses will mention Japanese invasion as an horrible part of their history, it looks very much like Gen Z is much more nationalist and emotive than the Chineses of my generation I talked to.

I also agree with Chris when he says that this mindset led Europeans to fight each others quite a lot during the last 2 centuries and that French/Germans managed to go through that by letting past behind them, although nowadays, Germany gets back to its old habits...

JAP fascist are still alive
Maybe you focus too much on a minority. Everytime Japaneses or Japan government does a thing, it's instrumentalized, but you have fascists and nostalgic of some period of history in every countries. There are nostalgia for Mussolini in Italy, for Hitler in Germany et caetera. It doesn't mean that the majority of people are supporting it or that the idea is widespread.
If you go to Japan someday, you'd see that most of Japaneses absolutely don't care about China and Chineses and that many Chineses are either visiting or living in the country. Almost half of my lab was actually filled with Chineses students and a friend in another lab is simply married to a Chinese.

Nanjing Massacre: 1937, don't forget the national humiliation
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On December 13, This is a day that every Chinese should remember, but also every Chinese who hope to revive China and stand proudly in the world can not forget the day, how a person treats his frustration reflects the emotional intelligence of this person, how a country treats its humiliation reflects the pride of this country, remembering our pain is not to inspire us to have a knife that hurts others , but let us never repeat such a tragedy...... when the next disaster comes

As we say, History is written by winners. Remembering the past is fine, but:

- Aren't you worried that the government omits some events in order to embellish its image? Typically Pennarossa2024 mention the rapes of the French army in Italy: this might be told to italians students, but except a line among a ton of chapters, it's not a thing in the French education because it doesn't serve the French narrative.

- Japan is nowhere close to what it used to be and could never reproduce the invasion of China even if it wanted too because the context is different. China isn't so late behind technologically speaking, like it was back then (and this can't be blamed on Japan; the Qing arrogance and Cixi's greed for power and boycott of the 100 days' reforms just led to the disaster). Japan nowadays is also traumatized by Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the Japaneses certainly aren't bellicists people.

If Nanjing massacre and the war on the Asian side was certainly awful, it also feels like Chinese government is using it to keep alive some rancour and cultivate a strong nationalism in the younger generations. At least, that's my perception of the things because even if every Chineses will mention Japanese invasion as an horrible part of their history, it looks very much like Gen Z is much more nationalist and emotive than the Chineses of my generation I talked to.

I also agree with Chris when he says that this mindset led Europeans to fight each others quite a lot during the last 2 centuries and that French/Germans managed to go through that by letting past behind them, although nowadays, Germany gets back to its old habits...


Maybe you focus too much on a minority. Everytime Japaneses or Japan government does a thing, it's instrumentalized, but you have fascists and nostalgic of some period of history in every countries. There are nostalgia for Mussolini in Italy, for Hitler in Germany et caetera. It doesn't mean that the majority of people are supporting it or that the idea is widespread.
If you go to Japan someday, you'd see that most of Japaneses absolutely don't care about China and Chineses and that many Chineses are either visiting or living in the country. Almost half of my lab was actually filled with Chineses students and a friend in another lab is simply married to a Chinese.

Beautify history? You're kidding! So, the Vichy regime established by Hitler in France,Did France make this up?You said we were too nationalistic, but we didn't. We young people in China also watch Japanese cartoons and play Japanese video games. Because it's not Japan we hate,And what we hate is Japanese militarism!Chairman Mao once said that the people of China and the Japanese people are consistent.There is only one enemy, namely Japanese imperialism and scum of the Chinese nation.

Beautify history? You're kidding! So, the Vichy regime established by Hitler in France,Did France make this up?You said we were too nationalistic, but we didn't. We young people in China also watch Japanese cartoons and play Japanese video games. Because it's not Japan we hate,And what we hate is Japanese militarism!Chairman Mao once said that the people of China and the Japanese people are consistent.There is only one enemy, namely Japanese imperialism and scum of the Chinese nation.
I don't know what you are refering to when asking "beautiful history?". The only French people who always talk about Vichy and Hitler in France are leftists who want to demonize their opponent without any argument. We call that an ad hitlerum. More generally though, Germany is always described as evil on Earth for Nazism, when France and other Europeans didn't like Jewish either. Antisemitism was widespread back then, including in the holy USSR...

Japanese militarism is almost inexistent and if there is some rise of its military power during the last year, it's also essentially getting back their own force as you shouldn't be without knowing that Japan, like Germany, has seen its army and ability to get weapons greatly reduced, but also because of the rise of China in Asia that raise concern, especially when your government is expanding in South China Sea and, let's admit it, a desire to get back its former place of top1 in the world with most of countries within its reaach to be vassalized (which you can see very well with the presence of China (and the US) in Africa that replaces Europeans powers, or some other countries like Greece).

Again, you are making a big deal of what is not. The worst in that behaviour is that it triggers more negative response and will only make Japan stands more against China, especially when they are pushed by the US to do so.

Ps:
And Vichy regime in France is partly because French allowed it. Their organization was awful despite betraying Poland to prepare more. In this way, it is similar to Qing dynasty setting the field for Japanese invasion by having an awful politics.

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I'm in Harbin. There's the ruins of Japanese Unit 731 here. During the Japanese invasion of China, the unit carried out chemical and biological weapons research. All of the research was, of course, built on the limitless suffering of human captives, who were held as test subjects and walking disease incubators until Unit 731 was shut down at the end of the war. Out of all the atrocities that Imperial Japan unleashed upon the Chinese people during this brutal occupation, probably none were as gratuitously hateful as the operations of Unit 731, the Japanese Empire‘s biological warfare unit that somehow plumbed new depths in what was already a genocidal war.Before Unit 731 was broken up in 1945, it committed some of the most torturous human experiments in recorded history.

Nanjing Massacre: 1937, don't forget the national humiliation
The Awakening of Insects
Maim · Revenge | 358 Likes ·26 bullet reviews
On December 13, This is a day that every Chinese should remember, but also every Chinese who hope to revive China and stand proudly in the world can not forget the day, how a person treats his frustration reflects the emotional intelligence of this person, how a country treats its humiliation reflects the pride of this country, remembering our pain is not to inspire us to have a knife that hurts others , but let us never repeat such a tragedy...... when the next disaster comes
If the Nanjing Massacre taught us how brutal invaders can be, Unit 731 can teach us how inhuman invaders can be.

"The Chinese people and the Japanese people are one and the same, and there is only one enemy: Japanese imperialism and the scum of the Chinese nation." -Mao Zedong

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"The Chinese people and the Japanese people are one and the same, and there is only one enemy: Japanese imperialism and the scum of the Chinese nation." -Mao Zedong
One should be cautious with this quote as it can be read in at least 2 very opposite ways.

One should be cautious with this quote as it can be read in at least 2 very opposite ways.
This word by Mao is not just a political statement, but an assertion based on Marxism. Because one of the features of fascism is to cover up class contradictions through wars, and the Japanese invasion of China is the embodiment of this feature, and to divert internal contradictions through foreign wars. Communism, on the other hand, emphasized the "unity of the proletarians of the world." From a class point of view, the Japanese proletariat was used and exploited in the war, and the dividends of the war were occupied by the warlords and plutocrats. Whether they are aware of it or not does not change the nature of their exploitation. So, in the eyes of communists, what really brings peace is not the victory of one country over another, but the liberation of the people. This is also the reason why our country called the war of resistance against fascism.

This means, therefore, that no communist can and should regard any one nation or race of people as an enemy, because the greater the hatred among the proletariat, the stronger and more rampant fascism will be.

Not all governments and people in the world think the same way and have the same goals. Our enemies have never been the people from any single country, but militarist governments and fascism.

全世界无产者,联合起来!
万国の労働者よ、団結せよ!

"The Chinese people and the Japanese people are one and the same, and there is only one enemy: Japanese imperialism and the scum of the Chinese nation." -Mao Zedong
The great Mao Zedang. No. 3 of the top Mass murderes in 20th century after Hitler and Stalin.

But Tell that Chinese who are so proud of their nation...

yep, and the next thing we leftists want to kill is you, fascist😅🤣

I doubt you even know a racist is.

🤣🤣🤣👉

Die rechte wiederholt lediglich die gräueltaten der vergangenheit in sozialistischen ländern und versucht, versuchen, den sozialismus als schreckliche sache zu beschreiben. Aber in wirklichkeit produziert der imperialismus am meisten kriege, hungersnöte und tod, und das elend, das ein mit blut befruchtender kapitalismus menschen anrichtet, ist das größte.


"The lightning drove away the clouds, but some people blame the lightning for being too loud."

The great Mao Zedang. No. 3 of the top Mass murderes in 20th century after Hitler and Stalin.

But Tell that Chinese who are so proud of their nation...

Then why don't we talk about the Holodomor in Ireland, the famine and the bloody repression to the workers' movement in Germany and Austria-Hungary during WWI, US's exploitation and oppression to African and Latin American people, and the atrocities committed by Israel against the Palestinian people?

The great Mao Zedang. No. 3 of the top Mass murderes in 20th century after Hitler and Stalin.

But Tell that Chinese who are so proud of their nation...

I don't know why you keep sending this kind of messages when you are supposed to know that it will bring nothing but wild answers. Plus that will be forgetting how Germany, through EU, is starving Southern Europeans and selling them to China.

US's exploitation and oppression to African and Latin American people
China is very present in Africa too and, with US, replaces European power on the continent... If Chris always look for troubles, it's good not to forget that China is not a better country than other. Not worse, but not better. Every country will do what the US or China does nowadays, given the chance to.

Also about this :

yep, and the next thing we leftists want to kill is you, fascist😅🤣
Fascist this, fascist that. Chris always use this word to describe people who contradict him, the same way that you use it to describe him. That makes it a little funny to see how meaningless the term has become.