Are u a vegetarian or vegan 🌱?

You also eat that people accept you.

So I’m a cannibal now?🤣

You make me laugh

You also want that people accept you.
And I’m not annoying!!!!!!! Du musst ja auch nicht mit mir schreiben wenn du kein Bock auf mich hast! I Never Said Bad things to you!
It’s not just a phase!

The only problem here is you being mad at people with a different POV, nothing else 😅

Firstly because most of the water counted in raising kg of meat is rain, secondly because they eat unedible food for humans or, at least and as far as I am concerned, I can't digest grass and I'm pretty much ineffective to deal with cellulose.

Honestly I think it would still be better to skip the animals, even though they eat inedible food.

Not if you're talking about grazing and just straight up grass fields, but in any case where we plant food specifically for them.
Obviously if the food wouldn't be given to the animals, we'd also plant other stuff there to feed to humans.

And because the food goes directly to humans in that case, we would need much less fields to provide for everybody. The food-to-meat ratio is really had after all.
So in the end there would be much more space for just nature to do it's thing.

Some spaces are unsuitable for farming, which are typically whhat pastures are. Also, meat provides nutrients of better quality and easier to digest than plants, making the food-to-meat ration not so easy to speak about, so they still have a high value.
Where I agree though is in reducing (drastically) the amount of meat consumed and hence the animals we "raise" which use a lott of good soils or simply contribute to deforestation. Unfortunately, nowadays, I don't think that any of this is reachable because vegan/vegetarians ((the noisy part of this group) often blame people who eat meat for eating meat in a dogmatic and, hence, an innefective way instead of firstly focusing on reducing waste, which is shameful and would already be a great step forward for everybody, or by simply promoting quality over quantity and thus reducing meat consumption, but also by, often, falling for greenwashing and "green-capitalism", buying crap from the other side of the planet that is sometimes more detrimental than eating meat for ecosystems and climate

As for "nature to do its thing", that's a kind of misconception. Nowaday, such places barely exist anywhere, even in the areas people believe to be "natural". Most of the areas are highly managed and I believe your country is an extreme example of this.

So instead you'd prefer entire species to lose their natural habitats due to agrarian, "healthy", developments in the forests? You'd prefer the humanity to die out from a heat crisis?

I don't know what you're referring to with that first part.

But first of all the climate change is our own fault and very heavily connected to industrialized farming or whatever it's called. Where tons of animals are kept together on way too small space. The animals need tons of food and water to grow to a point where they are killed. If we just ate their food and water directly and skipped the middle man, instead of feeding it to them first, it would be much more effective.

And actually unlike some people I'm not obsessed with the idea of humanity being incredibly worthy of survival or whatever. We actively make our planet into a place where we can't survive, and we also kill each other and tons of other creatures while we're at it. I don't see what good we bring to this world.
I like my own life and I'd like to enjoy my life until it's over, but I could not care less about whether humans die out in 100 or in 5000 years.

Well... So you can't survive on a deserted island...

I hope you realise how ridiculous this comment is. I don't know if you're trying to prove something with it, but you're not.

1. I don't live on a deserted island, I live in a developed country and don't need to hunt animals or collect berries to survive. I simply go to a supermarket.
2. Even if I were on a deserted island, it would make a moral difference for me to kill animals then. Because in that case I'd need them to survive, while right now I don't. It wouldn't be unreasonable even for vegans to kill animals to survive on an island, because it's usually not unreasonable to want to stay alive and to prioritize your own survival over the life of other creatures.
Just because you decide to do or not do something in day-to-day life, doesn't mean you have to make the same decision in a life-or-death situation.

Also, I wouldn't survive on a deserted island either way, whether I was vegetarian or not, for reasons entirely unrelated to my food.

Correct, animals suffer just as well. However, what I mean is that huge areas are being cleaned up to grow plant-based food, which is really unhealthy both for the environment overall and for many rare species. The so-called 'green' way of eating and 'green' products take way more resources than some more orthodox kinds of food which speeds up not only the humanity's death but also the death of the biosphere.
So what are you trying to achieve with your 'green' eating? prolong the life of a few livestock animals that will still be murdered for eating later on?

in Hannah’s case, as a teen whose older than her, and WAS a vegetarian for 2 years, I know that this is just a phase, like it or not

Let's not project our own experiences onto the people around us as if they were the only truth.

No! But you don’t accept that I’m a vegetarian since 7 years! And it’s not just a phase!!!!!

It doesn't sound to be a phase indeed, but from what you said, you were vegetarian at 5? Then it's your parents who made the choice for you and not yourself. Hence, I do hope that they take extra care of your diet because of your growth recquiring a very careful attention.

As for "nature to do its thing", that's a kind of misconception. Nowaday, such places barely exist anywhere, even in the areas people believe to be "natural". Most of the areas are highly managed and I believe your country is an extreme example of this.

I think we both know what I meant by that.

Correct, animals suffer just as well. However, what I mean is that huge areas are being cleaned up to grow plant-based food, which is really unhealthy both for the environment overall and for many rare species. The so-called 'green' way of eating and 'green' products take way more resources than some more orthodox kinds of food which speeds up not only the humanity's death but also the death of the biosphere.

So where do you think the food for the animals is coming from? Where do you think the animals themselves are? Do you think all that doesn't cost space and resources?

So what are you trying to achieve with your 'green' eating? prolong the life of a few livestock animals that will still be murdered for eating later on?

I don't understand how someone, who said they were a vegetarian themselves, can ask such a question.

First of all, I'm living by a moral code that I don't need to do mental gymnastics for. I don't see why animals lives should be worth less than mine.
It's very simple: If I don't need to cause any creatures death, then I won't. I don't need to eat meat, so I don't.
Now, before you get any weird ideas: I said if I don't NEED to. I'm aware that I'm stepping on bugs all the time, but I can't stop these kinds of things without kms, and I quite like my life.

Secondly, I know I'm not prolonging anyone's life. But do you not understand the concept of supply and demand?
Less meat eaters -> less eaten meat -> less meat sold -> less meat produced -> less animals killed.
And if you're one of the people who think that "what you do won't matter anyway because the majority of people still eat meat" and genuinely don't understand why that statement is stupid, I'm not going to discuss this with you any further.

But if this is your opinion: What I do does in fact matter. It matters for the one animal that might not live nor die because I decided to stop eating meat, and it matters for myself. Because I can look at myself and say that I'm doing what I can and that my morals have integrity.

No! But you don’t accept that I’m a vegetarian since 7 years! And it’s not just a phase!!!!!

It doesn't sound to be a phase indeed, but from what you said, you were vegetarian at 5? Then it's your parents who made the choice for you and not yourself. Hence, I do hope that they take extra care of your diet because of your growth recquiring a very careful attention.

It was my choice!!! And I am healthy, and my grow up is normal.

Lol

I'm a peskaterian

No

i have been vegetarian from 3 yo to 11 yo

No! But you don’t accept that I’m a vegetarian since 7 years! And it’s not just a phase!!!!!

It doesn't sound to be a phase indeed, but from what you said, you were vegetarian at 5? Then it's your parents who made the choice for you and not yourself. Hence, I do hope that they take extra care of your diet because of your growth recquiring a very careful attention.

It was my choice!!! And I am healthy, and my grow up is normal.

you are right,people are very ignorant here ahahah

I’m not but I think it is cool and healthy!
But vegan is not really healthy, people need meat to be strong

sry but you are a bit ignorant don't take it like an offense....in 2024 you can be totally healthy being vegan...there are a lot of nice things you can eat. My mom is 45 and she has been vegan since a young age,she is very healthy and active

Vegans are like fanatics forcing there diet on other people. If you have the right to avoid meat then I have the right to consume it. Even plants and veggies are a form of life too. Go to many countries in the world to see cattle walks on the streets so it is better to eat them. Meat also gives us protein as well. There are many animals like pork, mice, elephant and horses that are not fit for human consumption.

If you have the right to avoid meat then I have the right to consume it.

Why would anybody get the right to murder and torture animals, or be involved in it?

Even plants and veggies are a form of life too.

Do you (a meat-eating person) or a vegan person cause the death of more plants, based on just the diet? They just eat plants. You eat plants and also non-human animals, that have eaten tons of plants. You kill more plants than they do. So, even if plants were equal to animals, the better thing would still be to go vegan, because then you would kill less plants.

Apart from that, plants are obviously not equal to animals. It's unclear if and how plants feel pain. Animals do feel pain.

Meat also gives us protein as well.

Plants also give us protein, you don't need kill animals for that.

Go to many countries in the world to see cattle walks on the streets so it is better to eat them.

Also, what is this even supposed to mean? You don't eat the animals that are on the street in other countries, you eat ones that were bred and killed for it. If you wouldn't eat them, they wouldn't be living in the first place. The animals vegans don't eat don't end up on streets, they just reduce the demand and therefore hopefully the future supply.

I was vegan but quit bc of health issues