It could be a right solution. But disabled people also need to spend time with people not disabled. This is very important for socializing. Disabled people have to get used to living with other people. Those who are not disabled must learn to live with disabled people. Otherwise a wall is built. Disabled people feel rejected. Non-disabled people become racist towards disabled people. I would be happy to know what miss @Borboletagirl (who has already spoken about these topics) thinks
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i agree with @Pennarossa2024
because actually school is not only about being academically smart, but teachers collaborate with parents should educate character and set an example of how humans should be. specifically to hone students' empathy.
And every babies born in a pure state and does not know anything, so if the child becomes a bad example, three aspects that must be questioned are how the parents educated, taught, and set example for their child, also how is the home environment (neighbors, their parent's family, etc), how is the school environment and what shows the child consumes (on TV, YouTube, etc).
and if the conditions are already filled with racist people which is already difficult or impossible to deal with, well, simply it's better to move to a better school.
i agree with @Pennarossa2024
because actually school is not only about being academically smart, but teachers collaborate with parents should educate character and set an example of how humans should be. specifically to hone students' empathy.
And every babies born in a pure state and does not know anything, so if the child becomes a bad example, three aspects that must be questioned are how the parents educated, taught, and set example for their child, also how is the home environment (neighbors, their parent's family, etc), how is the school environment and what shows the child consumes (on TV, YouTube, etc).
and if the conditions are already filled with racist people which is already difficult or impossible to deal with, well, simply it's better to move to a better school.
Thanks miss
i agree with @Pennarossa2024
because actually school is not only about being academically smart, but teachers collaborate with parents should educate character and set an example of how humans should be. specifically to hone students' empathy.
And every babies born in a pure state and does not know anything, so if the child becomes a bad example, three aspects that must be questioned are how the parents educated, taught, and set example for their child, also how is the home environment (neighbors, their parent's family, etc), how is the school environment and what shows the child consumes (on TV, YouTube, etc).
and if the conditions are already filled with racist people which is already difficult or impossible to deal with, well, simply it's better to move to a better school.
I think that you are right,but when it comes to school,it’s different. I think that people with disabilities should see not disabled people and be friends with them obviously,for example i was friends with this girl that I met in 2021 when i used to do martial arts,and she was autistic and mentally she was a 6yr . Also people with disabilities need an education,a different one that a normal school cannot afford. I can confirm that because i saw a lot of those poor people being treated bad not with the attention they deserved. And in this generation,people with disabilities will be instantly bullied. Expect that girl i met in 2021,i never saw a disabled person in school having friends. I saw this Netflix show called “love on the spectrum” it’s about autistic people having dates. When those people tell their childhood and teenage years,when it comes to school,they always tell that no one ever understood them and they are usually very lonely.So we should introduce disabled people to not disabled people in an environment that isn’t school. Those people have dreams too and deserve an education that can help them to reach their dreams. In school they don’t even have the materials to do it. Those people feel isolated and different in a bad way. If they can’t walk and if they have neurological problems (like a girl i had in my class when i was 9),they cannot even join their classmates for hang outs and things like that.
There are so many schools that exist in this worlds, and not all environments are the same. So yes, what you see/know, cannot be generalized. some bad some good. let parents and teachers take action on seeking the best school for the child.
because if something bad happens at school, it is also the school's responsibility.
There are so many schools that exist in this worlds, and not all environments are the same. So yes, what you see/know, cannot be generalized. some bad some good. let parents and teachers take action on seeking the best school for the child.
because if something bad happens at school, it is also the school's responsibility.
Of course. I was mainly talking about the countries I’ve lived in. And the main reason wasn’t the bullying,it was making those people have a good education and an understanding environment.
I also think that every disabled person is different. Some people maybe feel more comfortable in a normal school,some not. It’s all very personal,also because there can be serious disabilities but also smaller ones.
parents and kids should choose together,also by trying new things,to find the right environment for their child
I think it depends on the individual whether a regular or special school is the best fit.
I had a girl who was deaf in school for a year and she was left out, because communicating with her cost a lot of energy and people had already formed friends groups because of the previous years. She had come from a deaf school, but wanted to interact with hearing people as well.
I think the most important is people get the option to decide for themselves what's best for them and get the support they need to choose that option for themselves.
This is a very good and important forum @Roseeeee!! 🏆🥇
I really hope that everybody who has 1 minute only can look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9LsluKF1OE
I know that it is in Dutch but that does not matter. The video is about two sisters and one goes to a normal school and one goes to a special school. The girl that goes to the special school cant speak and is in a special wheelchair. It would not be possible for her to go to a normal school. In the special school she likes it and she can learn in a way that is better for her and they have time and helping things for her that are not possible in a normal school.
If you want to see: after 4:14 of the video you can see her arrive at her special school. And if you watch the whole video you can compare also with her home and the other school.
In our school we do have people who are disabled with their physic (like for example a girl who has a support thing around her leg) and for her it is NOT a problem to be in a normal school. She is NOTTTT bullied by her class and people help her. Only some bully her in school but they also bully almost everybody else. So i think it is correct: if you can be at a normal school that is super! But if it is not possible or if you prefer to be in a special school: it is also super! In my country both are possible.
This is a very good and important forum @Roseeeee!! 🏆🥇
I really hope that everybody who has 1 minute only can look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9LsluKF1OE
I know that it is in Dutch but that does not matter. The video is about two sisters and one goes to a normal school and one goes to a special school. The girl that goes to the special school cant speak and is in a special wheelchair. It would not be possible for her to go to a normal school. In the special school she likes it and she can learn in a way that is better for her and they have time and helping things for her that are not possible in a normal school.
If you want to see: after 4:14 of the video you can see her arrive at her special school. And if you watch the whole video you can compare also with her home and the other school.
In our school we do have people who are disabled with their physic (like for example a girl who has a support thing around her leg) and for her it is NOT a problem to be in a normal school. She is NOTTTT bullied by her class and people help her. Only some bully her in school but they also bully almost everybody else. So i think it is correct: if you can be at a normal school that is super! But if it is not possible or if you prefer to be in a special school: it is also super! In my country both are possible.
Yeah 🙂
but i meant mostly people with neurological disabilities and mental problems,not the ones with body disabilities and no neurological or mental problems
then next time you need to be more specific and detail. because the explanation you made mostly describes the conditions filled by racists and bullies. and people here answer only based on your explanation. and again, it is natural that there are differences of views/perspectives, cause not everyone is you.
it's okay if you are confused about putting the words together, you can ask chatGPT. because I admit it is not easy to arrange each words until everyone understand what we mean.
then next time you need to be more specific and detail. because the explanation you made mostly describes the conditions filled by racists and bullies. and people here answer only based on your explanation. and again, it is natural that there are differences of views/perspectives, cause not everyone is you.
Well i was specific,maybe you missed some parts. By the way,relax. I told about the bullies and racism cause it’s something that i saw,but i also mentioned several times that those people deserve a good education if they have a different mind than ours. It’s a mix of a lot of different things. Also,when exactly did i complain about other perspectives and views? If i was gonna complain about it I wouldn’t have made this forum. And i also think that you are right,as i said 3 times. Everyone is different. I think also their family conditions counts.
I think it depends on the individual whether a regular or special school is the best fit.
I had a girl who was deaf in school for a year and she was left out, because communicating with her cost a lot of energy and people had already formed friends groups because of the previous years. She had come from a deaf school, but wanted to interact with hearing people as well.
I think the most important is people get the option to decide for themselves what's best for them and get the support they need to choose that option for themselves.
I tend to agree with what has been said here. It depends on what people want for themselves. I would add a small detail though: It also depends on the possibilities you have. If you can get the necessarily support to follow school in almost standard conditions, like a profesionnal helper who comes with you for the lessons, then you can do either at choice.
I think having people with disability in special schools is very interesting though, for they will probably have small classes size, adapted schedule and avoid some annoyance that could be met in schools with other (email hidden) mentionned that it's also important for them to deal with other people, but I think that they already do that pretty much in everyday life situation or even within their family and neighbourhood.
Differently, but still mentionned by @Pennarossa2024, you can force children to tolerate disabled people as much as you can and explain to them as much as you want some disabilities - just like for adults - it doesn't mean that they will make an "extra effort" to adapt, and I think what @-Kiki- mention with her schoolmate speaks out for that.
Similarly, you can tell to someone "that person is autistic" (which is not a big wall as being deaf in my opinion), it doesn't mean that people will be able or wish to deal with autistic behaviours. So my gut feeling here, is that an schools for disabled people is also to be a place with more people who will probably be willing to put an effort to talk to each others and not to be left out, because being left out is really no fun at school especially.
I tend to agree with what has been said here. It depends on what people want for themselves. I would add a small detail though: It also depends on the possibilities you have. If you can get the necessarily support to follow school in almost standard conditions, like a profesionnal helper who comes with you for the lessons, then you can do either at choice.
I think having people with disability in special schools is very interesting though, for they will probably have small classes size, adapted schedule and avoid some annoyance that could be met in schools with other (email hidden) mentionned that it's also important for them to deal with other people, but I think that they already do that pretty much in everyday life situation or even within their family and neighbourhood.
Differently, but still mentionned by @Pennarossa2024, you can force children to tolerate disabled people as much as you can and explain to them as much as you want some disabilities - just like for adults - it doesn't mean that they will make an "extra effort" to adapt, and I think what @-Kiki- mention with her schoolmate speaks out for that.
Similarly, you can tell to someone "that person is autistic" (which is not a big wall as being deaf in my opinion), it doesn't mean that people will be able or wish to deal with autistic behaviours. So my gut feeling here, is that an schools for disabled people is also to be a place with more people who will probably be willing to put an effort to talk to each others and not to be left out, because being left out is really no fun at school especially.
Disabled people cannot be "tolerated". We must respect them and help them. Children with mild disabilities can attend a school with non-disabled children. Children with severe disabilities need a special school. But we have to get disabled and non-disabled people used to living together. If we don't do this, people will fear disabled people or treat them badly or ignore them
I tend to agree with what has been said here. It depends on what people want for themselves. I would add a small detail though: It also depends on the possibilities you have. If you can get the necessarily support to follow school in almost standard conditions, like a profesionnal helper who comes with you for the lessons, then you can do either at choice.
I think having people with disability in special schools is very interesting though, for they will probably have small classes size, adapted schedule and avoid some annoyance that could be met in schools with other (email hidden) mentionned that it's also important for them to deal with other people, but I think that they already do that pretty much in everyday life situation or even within their family and neighbourhood.
Differently, but still mentionned by @Pennarossa2024, you can force children to tolerate disabled people as much as you can and explain to them as much as you want some disabilities - just like for adults - it doesn't mean that they will make an "extra effort" to adapt, and I think what @-Kiki- mention with her schoolmate speaks out for that.
Similarly, you can tell to someone "that person is autistic" (which is not a big wall as being deaf in my opinion), it doesn't mean that people will be able or wish to deal with autistic behaviours. So my gut feeling here, is that an schools for disabled people is also to be a place with more people who will probably be willing to put an effort to talk to each others and not to be left out, because being left out is really no fun at school especially.
Exactly. My worries are that no matter how much you try to explain to kids to tolerate them,you can do everything you want but it doesn’t mean they will understand,unfortunately. This happened in my class. Not saying that it could happen everywhere!
i understand @Pennarossa2024 but we can’t control other people. There are many people i know in my school that wouldn’t wish to interact with people with autistic behaviors and that would treat them like they aren’t humans.
Nobody is saying this is right. The world sucks.
and i’ll say it again: those people DESERVE a good education in peace,with love and understanding!
We can try,try and try to educate those stupid people,but they can do what they want,as long as we don’t lock them in a cage.
so,everyone is different and has to make the best choice for their sake and future 🙂
Disabled people cannot be "tolerated". We must respect them and help them. Children with mild disabilities can attend a school with non-disabled children. Children with severe disabilities need a special school. But we have to get disabled and non-disabled people used to living together. If we don't do this, people will fear disabled people or treat them badly or ignore them
Yes, ok, but that's an ideal situation. You can tell as much as you want a child or someone about disabled people, the best you can do is to make them tolerate others, not respect and even less befriend them.
Actually, even in University in a supposedly inclusive region, I have seen autistic people being socially excluded and criticized behind their back, even when there is "awareness". So you can't expect it to be so beautiful in a primary school and see children making ton of efforts to include and befriend people with differences.
I think it's a valuable opportunity to be able to decide whether you want to go to school with "normal" children, or go with people who are different/disabled. If you choose the second, you can have different disabilities that will force you to adapt as well, but probably that your chance to end upsocially excluded because of a factor you have barely any control over will be lower than in standard schools, even if very tolerant regions of the world.
It's not racist to put disabled people in a school for disabled people, it's actually a nice thing to do for them. A school specifically designed for disabled people can offer positive aspects like individualized attention, specialized teaching methods tailored to their needs, a supportive peer group, access to adapted equipment, and a focus on developing life skills. Honestly, schools for disabled people sound better than normal schools to me.
And sure, disabled people need to socialize, but I don't think it's really important that it's with 'normal' people. They are in special schools to learn how to be functional in this crazy world, they don't need to get hurt by rude idiots because of socializing with others.
I think another factor is, people in general don't know a lot about people with disabilities. You could say "that person is autistic/neurological disabled" etc, but most people don't even know what it MEANS.
They only see the disadvantages and base their opinion on things they've heard about the disabilities. They were never educated about the topic, so ofcourse there's going to be judgement and misunderstandings, which lead to leaving a person alone, because you don't have a clue how to interact with them.