🙏✌️ Peace in the Middle East ❤️🌍

All in all, pointing the Europe out fully responsible for the current situation is nothing but ignorance. On the other hand pointing the Europe out as beside the point totally, is nothing but betrayal of history. If we want to be fair, we should stand somewhere between. If you set borders for people having no "common ground", then conflicts are inevitable.

I'm not denying history, I'm merely pointing out that European involvement was almost a century ago and the reasons behind the current conflicts stem from, in no specific order:

- Israel creeping on neighboring land

- Hamas conducting terrorist attacks on Israel

- Iran not respecting anti nuclear agreements

Bringing up Europe to explain these matters is a stretch to say the least.

Europe is absolutely necessary in the geo-political chess board and more importantly as a major cultural hub.

Europe has a dwindling economy, shrinking population, tiny military budget, and experiencing a serious democracy crisis across most of the continent. It has become completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Unfortunately, I don't see peace and stability in this region of the world within my lifetime. Hopefully, Yue and the younger generation will see this happen. I don't think there can be peace in this part of the world before many people who live in that area die from war and conflict.

What am I reading? This topic is about peace in the Middle East between Israel, Iran, and Palestine, yet you're somehow suggesting Europeans are responsible for this conflict? You're arguing about who drew borders and why the names are what they are, despite Europe being the only region in the world to actually try to (naively) help entire populations by accepting millions of refugees. Borders aren't the cause of war—conflicts stem from civilizational differences, religious tensions, and/or the pursuit of power. Redraw the lines however you like and you'd still end up with the same conflicts, as they're existed throughout history. Do you think a world without Europe would've brought peace and harmony in that region of the world? Let's be serious.

So what is Israel doing now? Its only goal is to achieve the "New Middle East" project, as you say, changing borders for peace will not bring about these old wars, so Israel's work is not in the direction of peace! In the new map they drew, they only divided the interests of the Middle East countries into small, powerless parts, and even attributed parts to themselves. Separating peoples like the Kurds and making them independent is not in the direction of freedom, they clearly want to spread the powers to such an extent that it becomes meaningless on its own. And acquiring the River of Egypt and also building a strategic river that can only be built by occupying Palestine are also among their other goals. If I explain Israel's goal, which is an evil goal and leads to the consolidation of power in its own country, it is false, then this also proves that France's support for Israel is also wrong and is exactly the opposite of the "freedom" that you are talking about. It's true, Europe may not have caused these conflicts and its goal is to help, but Europe is not the cradle of freedom, nor has it been particularly helpful! If you want us all to be realistic, Europe is Trump's intermediary and will be crushed under his feet.

At all @TheLOVERofMachines is totally right. Not Europe, but Britain, as a mindset. Also, a big help to Ukrainians you did. At all, i dont want to either blame or appreciate you. A part of what @TheLOVERofMachines wrote, had a little good point, about differences of how you hear the news in different parts of the world😁

again i say, im not against Europe and believe that they are a big help to our world, but they might not be successful many times, because of veto of USA and britain.

Also, i have a question for people who believe Iran shouldn’t have neuclear energy, why not?😁 really looking forward to your answers.

Finally, Chris, why do you think that absolute power in the region is in the hands of Israel? Israel clearly has no power on its own and its size is no larger than any of the provinces of Iran. Iran currently has two missiles for every hundred square meters of Israel. There is no doubt about Iranian missile capabilities, and we have advanced technology.

Our army's ground forces are not comparable to Israel at all, our army may not have guns, but the courage they have can defeat anything. Iranian war tactics have been excellent and perfect since ancient times, an example is the partisan tactics of Sardar Sorena.

And we will see geopolitical changes with Iran's decisive victory in this war. Iran will become the axis of the Middle East and Saudi Arabia and Turkey will rely less on America and more on us. Occupied Palestine will return to its people. The Middle East will remain the same, only a big old mother named Iran will take care of everyone. Of course, Israel will not end, they will probably fall at the feet of England again and an African country will be theirs.

But you who are in Europe, know that the truth will eventually be revealed. There are always bits of truth that come to man, even if a great wall prevents it from being seen (Netanyahu's propaganda). Don't listen to cyberspace, don't listen to the occupation regime, respect your ears and listen less to Netanyahu's lies. Iran is definitely the absolute power of the Middle East, if America does not enter the war, Israel will be uprooted, because the real power is in our hands, you only see a false image of Israel that a propaganda genius like Netanyahu has created. I think you all know what attack Iran made on Israel last night, missiles with new technology, and you saw that it targeted Israel's own defense, you saw that Iran destroyed several F35s and caused millions of losses to America.

In the end, my point is this:

The truth cannot be hidden. It will be revealed. A bright future awaits you...

So what is Israel doing now? Its only goal is to achieve the "New Middle East" project, as you say, changing borders for peace will not bring about these old wars, so Israel's work is not in the direction of peace! In the new map they drew, they only divided the interests of the Middle East countries into small, powerless parts, and even attributed parts to themselves. Separating peoples like the Kurds and making them independent is not in the direction of freedom, they clearly want to spread the powers to such an extent that it becomes meaningless on its own. And acquiring the River of Egypt and also building a strategic river that can only be built by occupying Palestine are also among their other goals. If I explain Israel's goal, which is an evil goal and leads to the consolidation of power in its own country, it is false, then this also proves that France's support for Israel is also wrong and is exactly the opposite of the "freedom" that you are talking about. It's true, Europe may not have caused these conflicts and its goal is to help, but Europe is not the cradle of freedom, nor has it been particularly helpful! If you want us all to be realistic, Europe is Trump's intermediary and will be crushed under his feet.

At all @TheLOVERofMachines is totally right. Not Europe, but Britain, as a mindset. Also, a big help to Ukrainians you did. At all, i dont want to either blame or appreciate you. A part of what @TheLOVERofMachines wrote, had a little good point, about differences of how you hear the news in different parts of the world😁

again i say, im not against Europe and believe that they are a big help to our world, but they might not be successful many times, because of veto of USA and britain.

Also, i have a question for people who believe Iran shouldn’t have neuclear energy, why not?😁 really looking forward to your answers.

Finally, Chris, why do you think that absolute power in the region is in the hands of Israel? Israel clearly has no power on its own and its size is no larger than any of the provinces of Iran. Iran currently has two missiles for every hundred square meters of Israel. There is no doubt about Iranian missile capabilities, and we have advanced technology.

Our army's ground forces are not comparable to Israel at all, our army may not have guns, but the courage they have can defeat anything. Iranian war tactics have been excellent and perfect since ancient times, an example is the partisan tactics of Sardar Sorena.

And we will see geopolitical changes with Iran's decisive victory in this war. Iran will become the axis of the Middle East and Saudi Arabia and Turkey will rely less on America and more on us. Occupied Palestine will return to its people. The Middle East will remain the same, only a big old mother named Iran will take care of everyone. Of course, Israel will not end, they will probably fall at the feet of England again and an African country will be theirs.

But you who are in Europe, know that the truth will eventually be revealed. There are always bits of truth that come to man, even if a great wall prevents it from being seen (Netanyahu's propaganda). Don't listen to cyberspace, don't listen to the occupation regime, respect your ears and listen less to Netanyahu's lies. Iran is definitely the absolute power of the Middle East, if America does not enter the war, Israel will be uprooted, because the real power is in our hands, you only see a false image of Israel that a propaganda genius like Netanyahu has created. I think you all know what attack Iran made on Israel last night, missiles with new technology, and you saw that it targeted Israel's own defense, you saw that Iran destroyed several F35s and caused millions of losses to America.

In the end, my point is this:

The truth cannot be hidden. It will be revealed. A bright future awaits you...

I do not comment on what Etienne wrote. I have long understood that Etienne has very different political ideas than mine. The important thing is that @Parsaa is alive. @Parsaa must live because he has dreams to realize with his studies and with basketball. There are many Iranian, Palestinian and Israeli children and young people who have dreams to realize. They must live.

So what is Israel doing now?

I was only talking about Europe, I can't say I'm a fan of Israel.

France's support for Israel is also wrong and is exactly the opposite of the "freedom" that you are talking about. It's true, Europe may not have caused these conflicts and its goal is to help, but Europe is not the cradle of freedom, nor has it been particularly helpful!

I think you got my post mixed up with another one, I never mentioned the idea of freedom.

Also, i have a question for people who believe Iran shouldn’t have neuclear energy, why not?😁 really looking forward to your answers.

Because Iran doesn't care about nuclear energy, its only goal is to develop nuclear weapons. Iran has tons of oil, it makes no sense to research nuclear if not for military purposes. It's no secret that Khamenei has called for the complete destruction of Israel on many occasions.

I won't claim to speak for all of Europe, but I believe a fair summary of the situation is that, despite feeling largely uneasy about Israel's imperialism, if we must choose between a proxy to the Western society and one governed by Sharia law, we'll always pick what the closest representation of a democracy is. Similarly, many Muslim-majority people naturally support Muslim causes in pursuit of a unified Ummah. It's basically anthropology 101, and this is what makes me very pessimistic because I see no end in sight.

I do not comment on what Etienne wrote. I have long understood that Etienne has very different political ideas than mine.

Would you mind expanding on this?

Thank you everybody for reading and writing in this forum. I am thankful for it. Even if people dont want to help with the points for peace i am happy that we can at least discuss nicely and respectfully. Because if that is not possible than nobody listens anymore to anybody i think. So i am thankful for it.

Because of super different views from everybody not only here but EVERYWHERE i think peace is not possible. It is only possible if somebody else than the countries help with it and makes sure that people listen to agreements. So if for example Israel and Hamas and Iran make an agreement and there is peace. NOBODY can rely on that the countries will not break it. So there must be the UN to make sure everybody listens and if somebody breaks the peace than there is a peace mission and everybody must listen. And i know people say that it is not possible and the UN is weak or people will do what they want anyway. But i believe that there is not another way. So there must be the UN or a very big group of countries who forces everybody to listen to an agreement for peace.

But i agree with @Pennarossa2024 that he says the most important thing is that @Parsaa is safe and also other people in Iran and Israel and Gaza. I think that in the end of the war the MOST victims are not soldiers but people. And if that is true it is a super big SHAME. But it is always like that.

I was only talking about Europe, I can't say I'm a fan of Israel.

I think you got my post mixed up with another one, I never mentioned the idea of freedom.

Because Iran doesn't care about nuclear energy, its only goal is to develop nuclear weapons. Iran has tons of oil, it makes no sense to research nuclear if not for military purposes. It's no secret that Khamenei has called for the complete destruction of Israel on many occasions.

I won't claim to speak for all of Europe, but I believe a fair summary of the situation is that, despite feeling largely uneasy about Israel's imperialism, if we must choose between a proxy to the Western society and one governed by Sharia law, we'll always pick what the closest representation of a democracy is. Similarly, many Muslim-majority people naturally support Muslim causes in pursuit of a unified Ummah. It's basically anthropology 101, and this is what makes me very pessimistic because I see no end in sight.

Would you mind expanding on this?

Lol sorry i went a bit too much, but most of it i wasnt with you, just information for everyone.

Sorry anyway, i hope my words will not hurt anyone.

As hard it may sound for many people, but: Israel is right now the only power in the middle east which is able to do anything without being afraid to be destroyed after it.
If Iran and Saudi Arabia, or Irak and Syria or all together would fight with each other in a real war... it would be very cruel. Reason? These states or armys are not able to destroy military targets like Israel can - though they don´t do it in Gaza, but this has another reason because of the known Hamas tactical ways.
The Iran was the state (especially the Mullah regime) which had nothing better to do than preach against Israel again and again for decades, they acted like a gorilla and taught even pupils in the school Israel have to be destroyed.
The Mullahs haven´t realized even yet, their time has gone - the population don´t want them and they still act as if they are a regional super power.
The reality: Nothing they can! Israel shew them the facts after nonsense provocations.
Iran with nuclear rockets are a different number than a stable country like Pakistan, India or GB. I cannot remember that Israel treated other states with total destroyness in the last decades. So blame yourself Iran! And Mullahs finally don´t ignore the facts anymore and ask Putin for asylum!


And another thing regarding to Gaza:
Do you actually believe the Hamas could act alone in Gaza for 15 years? I believe they had many (!) collaborateurs and helpers in the population and now its like germans after WWII: Nobody was a Nazi, all fault was the regime around Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels and Co. and of course many many germans have hide Jews or helped prisoners. The reasons for that behaviour you can now read in countless historical books and documentations.

Terrorism has a dual legacy in the history of Palestine. In Western popular discourse the term terrorism has long been associated with the Middle East, but particularly with the activities of Palestinian Arab groups, which have dominated the news for the past forty years. But sixty years ago, it was the actions of Jewish terrorists in Palestine that grabbed headlines around the world. In the Middle Eastern conflict, terrorism plays a prominent role. The terms “Jewish terrorism” and “Zionist terrorism” were both used prior to 1948 to refer to terrorist acts committed by armed Zionist gangs which targeted the Arab inhabitants of Palestine as well as the British Mandate authorities. Zionist terrorism was used as a strategic military weapon to hasten the founding of an independent Jewish state. Numerous attacks were mounted against Palestinians to terrorize them and drive them out of their ancestral land, and against British army and police outposts. Many assassinations were carried out as well as bombs planted in markets, ships and hotels. Heading these Zionist gangs were men who, in later years, became prime ministers of Israel, such as David Ben-Gurion, Menahem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir.

One might point to the activities of four principal gangs: the Haganah, the Irgun (ETZEL), the Stern and the LEHI. These gangs carried out numerous terrorist acts against the Palestinian Arab population, especially during the Great Palestinian Revolt.

After 1948, museums were built to perpetuate the memory of these Zionist gangs, and their terrorist crimes were encompassed under the collective memory of the so-called “Armed Struggle” for the creation of a Jewish state.

After the creation of Israel, they were the pioneers of what often became Israeli state policy of terror as evidenced in the numerous massacres committed by the Israeli army and the violence perpetrated against the Palestinian people under the official sanction of ruling political parties, such as the Likud, founded by former prominent members of Zionist terrorist gangs like the Irgun and Lehi.

Thus, the fallout from that terrorist insurgency sixty years ago is still playing out on the local, regional, and world stages, making it a campaign of strategic significance.

That's true Hamas is an organisation using terror tactics but not the inventor of this "opus moderandi". It's not a great suprise to see that they have a civil support in such a political and civil turmoil, and a huge legacy of violence. To make a long story short, I must say that both side's hands are bloody enough.

Can i add one more thing too? I agree with @Etienne that Iran should not do the nuclear programme. BUTTT i also think that about America, China, India, England and all the other countries who have nuclear power. The reason is maybe stupid but i still believe it: now in America there is Trump. I believe that everything can now happen any time and i dont trust Trump. And the same is true in Russia. Putin can do anything. And even if countries are normal and dont act unexpected: ALWAYSSSS there can be a person who is the new leader and does strange things suddenly. And if they have nuclear power it can be VERY heavy damage and people also react with the same weapons.

So it is not only Iran. It is every country who has nuclear power. I dont trust any person with it. Also not for example any leader from my country. Nobody!!!

I'm not denying history, I'm merely pointing out that European involvement was almost a century ago and the reasons behind the current conflicts stem from, in no specific order:

- Israel creeping on neighboring land

- Hamas conducting terrorist attacks on Israel

- Iran not respecting anti nuclear agreements

Bringing up Europe to explain these matters is a stretch to say the least.

Europe has a dwindling economy, shrinking population, tiny military budget, and experiencing a serious democracy crisis across most of the continent. It has become completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

In my opinion, the only country which deserves to have nukes with it is Israel, it is a constant fight for survival for them, while I condemn their oppressive regime in Gaza, Hamas had to be vanquished but NOT at the cost of innocent lives, and it is right @Parsaa that Ayatollah Khamenenei (Forgive me for the spelling) has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel and thus can NOT be trusted with nuclear bombs, for the day he has a good number of them, he will without any doubt fire them at Israel, and regardless of who is right or wrong nuclear bombs are never an option, so in order to ensure that Israel is not levelled to the ground, it is best if Iran does not get nukes, and from another perspective, Iran has ongoing tensions with US and Pakistan both of which are also nuclear powers, the unchecked usage of nukes is a concern in regards with Iran not only to the region but to the world as a whole. And no @Parsaa I seriously think that the fact that Iran has said 3 F-35's are shot down is propaganda. Europe might be dwindling BUT it is not yet irrelevant in the global scheme of things, Russia, Germany and France are at their epitome in military technology and Germany is also an economic powerhouse, besides we are speaking and communicating in English which is if anyone has not noticed a European language besides who does not like cakes and pastries which if it is not obvious are the gifts Europe gave to this world.

So what is Israel doing now? Its only goal is to achieve the "New Middle East" project, as you say, changing borders for peace will not bring about these old wars, so Israel's work is not in the direction of peace! In the new map they drew, they only divided the interests of the Middle East countries into small, powerless parts, and even attributed parts to themselves. Separating peoples like the Kurds and making them independent is not in the direction of freedom, they clearly want to spread the powers to such an extent that it becomes meaningless on its own. And acquiring the River of Egypt and also building a strategic river that can only be built by occupying Palestine are also among their other goals. If I explain Israel's goal, which is an evil goal and leads to the consolidation of power in its own country, it is false, then this also proves that France's support for Israel is also wrong and is exactly the opposite of the "freedom" that you are talking about. It's true, Europe may not have caused these conflicts and its goal is to help, but Europe is not the cradle of freedom, nor has it been particularly helpful! If you want us all to be realistic, Europe is Trump's intermediary and will be crushed under his feet.

At all @TheLOVERofMachines is totally right. Not Europe, but Britain, as a mindset. Also, a big help to Ukrainians you did. At all, i dont want to either blame or appreciate you. A part of what @TheLOVERofMachines wrote, had a little good point, about differences of how you hear the news in different parts of the world😁

again i say, im not against Europe and believe that they are a big help to our world, but they might not be successful many times, because of veto of USA and britain.

Also, i have a question for people who believe Iran shouldn’t have neuclear energy, why not?😁 really looking forward to your answers.

Finally, Chris, why do you think that absolute power in the region is in the hands of Israel? Israel clearly has no power on its own and its size is no larger than any of the provinces of Iran. Iran currently has two missiles for every hundred square meters of Israel. There is no doubt about Iranian missile capabilities, and we have advanced technology.

Our army's ground forces are not comparable to Israel at all, our army may not have guns, but the courage they have can defeat anything. Iranian war tactics have been excellent and perfect since ancient times, an example is the partisan tactics of Sardar Sorena.

And we will see geopolitical changes with Iran's decisive victory in this war. Iran will become the axis of the Middle East and Saudi Arabia and Turkey will rely less on America and more on us. Occupied Palestine will return to its people. The Middle East will remain the same, only a big old mother named Iran will take care of everyone. Of course, Israel will not end, they will probably fall at the feet of England again and an African country will be theirs.

But you who are in Europe, know that the truth will eventually be revealed. There are always bits of truth that come to man, even if a great wall prevents it from being seen (Netanyahu's propaganda). Don't listen to cyberspace, don't listen to the occupation regime, respect your ears and listen less to Netanyahu's lies. Iran is definitely the absolute power of the Middle East, if America does not enter the war, Israel will be uprooted, because the real power is in our hands, you only see a false image of Israel that a propaganda genius like Netanyahu has created. I think you all know what attack Iran made on Israel last night, missiles with new technology, and you saw that it targeted Israel's own defense, you saw that Iran destroyed several F35s and caused millions of losses to America.

In the end, my point is this:

The truth cannot be hidden. It will be revealed. A bright future awaits you...

Be happy you will get rid of the Mullahs

Be happy you will get rid of the Mullahs

And who will come after them? A civil war? Anarchy like that in Libya? Iranians must decide their fate. The future of Iran must not be decided by Netanyahu and Trump. These two gentlemen 🙄😬😡🤬do not have the qualifications to decide. Moral qualifications.

Or like in Syria. But I guess the population has done with religious leaders.

The only thing which is to be controlled are the revolution guards to not happen a second IS

For everyone saying no to nuclear, nuclear energy is considered pretty clean energy. I prefer nuclear energy vs our traditional sources. Regarding nuclear weapons, it's sort of unfair that only some countries in the world have nuclear weapons and they can use these weapons as a threat to bully other nations. I personally believe that no country should have nuclear weapons or all countries should have them. Are the countries that possess nuclear weapons more able to police the world state because of the threat? We understand why countries want it to be known that they have nuclear weapons. It does provide a measure of safety when enemies know you have nuclear capability.

I hope younger generations do a better job of preserving this world than my generation and the ones before.

Thank you everybody for posting!! Can i ask if you believe that it is possible to make REALLL peace in the Middle East and do you think that my points work or do you think we need to change some points or add things?

And @Parsaa in our news there were pictures of a lot of people who tried to get out of Tehran. I hope that you are safe now and ALL your family too. 🙏🙏 I dont know if you can read this still but we think of you EVERYBODY here on PPG!!!! ✨🌸🌼

A common feature of a peace treaty is the inclusion of a preamble. In essence this preliminary part serves as an explanation of the scope and content of the relevant treaty and the underlying purposes pursued by the contracting states. In overly complicated - some would say eloquent - words the true and genuine commitment of such signatories are put on scroll.

A true commitment to resolve the never ending conflict in the ME region in a peaceful manner may be lacking at least with some of the main actors. Parties who are devoid of true commitment are mere occupants of seats at the negotiating table.

I have a genuine admiration for your attempts to provide a first sketch of one of the most complex legal instruments which are generally heavily negotiated by large international teams of experts. But uncommitted parties in one of the most hot rodded environments on earth are unlikely to be attracted to your proposals.

I have conveniently disregarded a broad spectrum of other indispensable ingredients - insurmountable hurdles? - to foster long lasting peace in the ME. Every signed document starts with a commitment to comply with its content.

It remains a tragic and continuous tale of destruction.

I think the Situation in middle east is comparable to Europe in beginning 20ths century.

A few powers compete for being a meaningfuland dominating power on the continent instead of working together.

And after a great war every one knows its boundaries. Maybe every continent have to walk through this development. In religious and political way.

Regarding nuclear weapons, it's sort of unfair that only some countries in the world have nuclear weapons and they can use these weapons as a threat to bully other nations. I personally believe that no country should have nuclear weapons or all countries should have them. Are the countries that possess nuclear weapons more able to police the world state because of the threat?

You're making the assumption that all countries are equally reasonable and well intentioned. Would you put North Korea on the same level as Switzerland?

You're making the assumption that all countries are equally reasonable and well intentioned. Would you put North Korea on the same level as Switzerland?

The same Switzerland which consciously allowed the Holocaust in WW2 era Germany. In my opinion they feign neutrality but in the event of a NATO conflict with Russia they would support NATO albeit discreetly, nah, only Israel deserves nukes, the rest of the countries don't deserve them. Countries like North Korea and Pakistan are rogue nations who should get sanctioned for possessing nukes.