Russia-Ukraine conflict Politica e governo

What do you think of Russia-Ukraine conflict？

Dramatic consequence of the megalomaniacal delirium of the dictator Putin who wants to recreate the old USSR. Be careful your dictator might do similar things with Taiwan.

2 corrupted countries fighting mainly thanks to US interventionism. The main problem for me is how people are concerned and dogmatic with it, without realizing that they are just gobling our side of the propaganda, which is no better than the propaganda in the "bad guys" side.

Stop with this conspiracy theories

Lets just finish this war. I of course blame Putin and I believe it was his ambition to conquer country and show the world how powerful Russia is. We have seen Russia isn't powerful, anyway...

About technicals:
We were able to check how current full scale war looks like, that old vehicles are still capable of fight, and that european countries are in deep ass when it comes to military abilities, number of soldiers and supplies.

The long range artilery is still god of war, the surprise element is almost impossible with satelites, and it doesn't matter after all, if one tank is more advanced than another, as long as we don't have equal number of these.

Drones we can buy in market are deadly, the number of soldiers matter. It's still war with frontlines and trenches, not maneuvres with only precise strikes on enemy.

Ships and jets are more vulnerable than in WWII.

"muh muh conspiracy" is not an argument. You could ask "how?" instead, but when considering that, among other:

- Roland Dumas (former minister in France) confirmed that there was an agreement for NATO not to expand to USSR.

- USA was already pointed as promoting Revoltion and having views on East Europe far before the war. in French, there is even a documentary for everyobdy to be watch (USA à la conquête de l'Est - Manon Loizeau, 2005).

- USA is an expansionnist country, just like China, Russia and every country that can be expansionnist.

- USA already triggered wars over nothing and for their interests, best example being for oil in middle east (they are far less agressive since they discovered some resources in the US) or war in Kosovo and false accusations of genocides.

- Victoria Nuland (Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs) was supporting protesting people during euromaidan and went to feed them, which is an obvious provocation toward Russia and with a double discours "Come the west and you will be fed" but granted it's interpretation if you will.

- Victoria Nuland still went then to meet leaders of Ukrainian government back then, among which Oleh Tyahnybok (Svoboda party, not nazi, we know, they are nice) who asked to take sanctions for police violences.

- Victoria Nuland claimed that an investment of $5 billion was made to achieve "democracy" in Ukraine since 1991 (Remarks at the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation Conference)

- John Mc Cain and Chris Murphy also went to Ukraine to say 'we came to support the people to get ists own destiny, and your destiny is EU'. Results from polls showed that EU integration was not winning a majority except in West and Central Ukraine. In East and South, they were larggely against... Mc Cain was already involved in other revolution as shown in the documentary of Loizeau (2005)

- Mc Cain was, at that time, president of International Republican Institute, part of National Endowment for Democracy (NED)n, which is itself partly fund by the ggovernment and the CIA.

- NED, like other NGO funded by the US government participated in the Maidan. In 2012, NED funded variious ukrainians no for 3.4millions dolars

- The Guardian made an article in 2004 "US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev" which also explain how US is involved in Ukraine. McCain, among other, also funded some politicians for the presidentials of that year.

- Gerald Sussman and Sascha Krader (2008) points out how formers USSR countries' government were changed by the US and Europe.

The list can be expanded again and I'm not here to be exhaustive, but calling it "conspiracy" just because you do not know it and believe the opposite just support what I say about dogmatism, especially when the sole fact that Nuland attest of billions of investment is enough to show US' involvment in Ukraine.

"muh muh conspiracy" is not an argument. You could ask "how?" instead, but when considering that, among other:

- Roland Dumas (former minister in France) confirmed that there was an agreement for NATO not to expand to USSR.

- USA was already pointed as promoting Revoltion and having views on East Europe far before the war. in French, there is even a documentary for everyobdy to be watch (USA à la conquête de l'Est - Manon Loizeau, 2005).

- USA is an expansionnist country, just like China, Russia and every country that can be expansionnist.

- USA already triggered wars over nothing and for their interests, best example being for oil in middle east (they are far less agressive since they discovered some resources in the US) or war in Kosovo and false accusations of genocides.

- Victoria Nuland (Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs) was supporting protesting people during euromaidan and went to feed them, which is an obvious provocation toward Russia and with a double discours "Come the west and you will be fed" but granted it's interpretation if you will.

- Victoria Nuland still went then to meet leaders of Ukrainian government back then, among which Oleh Tyahnybok (Svoboda party, not nazi, we know, they are nice) who asked to take sanctions for police violences.

- Victoria Nuland claimed that an investment of $5 billion was made to achieve "democracy" in Ukraine since 1991 (Remarks at the U.S.-Ukraine Foundation Conference)

- John Mc Cain and Chris Murphy also went to Ukraine to say 'we came to support the people to get ists own destiny, and your destiny is EU'. Results from polls showed that EU integration was not winning a majority except in West and Central Ukraine. In East and South, they were larggely against... Mc Cain was already involved in other revolution as shown in the documentary of Loizeau (2005)

- Mc Cain was, at that time, president of International Republican Institute, part of National Endowment for Democracy (NED)n, which is itself partly fund by the ggovernment and the CIA.

- NED, like other NGO funded by the US government participated in the Maidan. In 2012, NED funded variious ukrainians no for 3.4millions dolars

- The Guardian made an article in 2004 "US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev" which also explain how US is involved in Ukraine. McCain, among other, also funded some politicians for the presidentials of that year.

- Gerald Sussman and Sascha Krader (2008) points out how formers USSR countries' government were changed by the US and Europe.

The list can be expanded again and I'm not here to be exhaustive, but calling it "conspiracy" just because you do not know it and believe the opposite just support what I say about dogmatism, especially when the sole fact that Nuland attest of billions of investment is enough to show US' involvment in Ukraine.

That's a nice little paper, buddy

I think the Russian-Ukrainian conflict is not only a conflict between two countries, but also a sanctions strike against Russia by NATO, led by United States hegemonism

Bullshit

Your remarks may not be correct

Putin's list of crimes is not comparable to the actions of the American state.
Talking about the will of the Russians when talking about the decisions of this dictator seems absurd to me. Since his first election, he has never stopped manipulating and assassinating all his opponents to keep power.
The famous extension of NATO that should never have happened in Ukraine is a bogus argument that served as a pretext for Putin to avoid opening his country to the free world and not allow all his turpitudes to be revealed.
Don't you see that Putin is leading his country towards ruin? How is it that the largest country in the world and whose subsoil is full of wealth has only the GDP of an average European country and sees its best-trained young people flee elsewhere. It is time to help eliminate this parasite at the head of a country that can no longer get rid of him. Even if NATO helps Ukraine, it is the Ukrainians who are ready to die to defend their country. Yes, this war is not only a war between two countries, it is the confrontation between two ways of seeing how the world should work: Dictatorship versus democracy.

Anil when you discuss with Chinese who hates the West and Lianshen who hates the US and EU what do you think will be the result of such a discussion. Completely nonsense.

Bullshit

You call other conspirationists, Allow me to call you aa delusive europeist to deny that the Russian-Ukraine war is a more global conflict and that it is the very obvious start of a second cold war, which ironically marks the end of US hegemonism. We have seen countries siding with Russia or stop listening to the US and its allies, especially with embaros on gas. In fact, one could say that the US and EU at that time isolated themselves from t he world by attempting to isolate Russia.
On the other side, we have "third world countries" that will remain neutral and try to grab advantages anytime they can, like India or Turkey are striking example of.

The only ones who deny that are EU delusionists who think that there is a good vs bad side and that everything can be taken independently; that US is our friend (it leads a terrible economical war against France and Germany and sacrifice our countries in the most despisable way). EU is leading Europeans to the wall, and to war, while pretending to work for peace. It's especially disgusting to do so much and try to bring Ukraine within EU without asking EU members' citizen their opinion on the matter, knowing that Ukraien is one of the most corrupted countries in the world alongside Russia, that their minimal wage is less than the one of CHina (more economical problem for the pleb, hurra!) and that we would have to pay billions to make this country fit EU standards, all this for the sole benefits of multinational and corrupt politicians.

Anil when you discuss with Chinese who hates the West and Lianshen who hates the US and EU what do you think will be the result of such a discussion. Completely nonsense.

There is no hate, or else I also hate Russia and almsot all countries of the world. On the other hand, you showed a strong dislike toward Russia and China.

Putin's list of crimes is not comparable to the actions of the American state.
Talking about the will of the Russians when talking about the decisions of this dictator seems absurd to me. Since his first election, he has never stopped manipulating and assassinating all his opponents to keep power.
The famous extension of NATO that should never have happened in Ukraine is a bogus argument that served as a pretext for Putin to avoid opening his country to the free world and not allow all his turpitudes to be revealed.
Don't you see that Putin is leading his country towards ruin? How is it that the largest country in the world and whose subsoil is full of wealth has only the GDP of an average European country and sees its best-trained young people flee elsewhere. It is time to help eliminate this parasite at the head of a country that can no longer get rid of him. Even if NATO helps Ukraine, it is the Ukrainians who are ready to die to defend their country. Yes, this war is not only a war between two countries, it is the confrontation between two ways of seeing how the world should work: Dictatorship versus democracy.

The so called free world led illegal embargos that made innocent people starving because they didn't like their political systems... It also killed a lot of democratically elected people in South America because they were nto pro US... Both side are rotten, stop pretending one is better when it is just more vicious/less straight.

Russia under Putin made a comeback despite sanctions from the West. In the past, we exported a lot of cheese and wine to Russia, and other agricultural food. Nowadays, RUssia produce cheese and wine for itself and is a big shot in agriculture.

PS: it's oligarchy vs oligarchy. EU is not democratic at all and EU deputees hold near to 0 power.

Yes I have a strong dislike towards China and Russia, because their methods dont have to be successful. If yes welcome back in 1930s

Yes I have a strong dislike towards China and Russia, because their methods dont have to be successful. If yes welcome back in 1930s

With no argument and a very favourable view on EU and US that are firing the world as much, but hey, there is the good imperialism, and the bad imperialism. The good being the German, oops, EU imperialism.

EU and US is 1000 Times more comfortable than Chinese and Russian methods. Or do you want methods like social scoring or been jailed because you held just a white Papier like in Russia

EU and US already have a simily social scoring and start to copy China, lol. We even had an overview of our future with the green pass during covid. Julian Assange has been persecuted for years because he did his job, but as a famous - but not advisable - man said in France: a journalist is either a jobless or a prostitute.
In the West, you rarely end up having to run away and live years in an ambassy like Assange though, most of time, you are socially cancelled/ridiculedfor holding wrong viewpoints. No need to send someone to jail if their opinion if people think that they are conspiracionist clowns.