Russia-Ukraine conflict

But of course most of people here know that Georgia as Moldovia and Ukraine do not yet belong to New Russian empire that some hard liner russian nationalistes try desperately to create again !

So when we are saying that we used to Export a lot of cheese and wine to russia , what do you mean : whole europe or just France because if you are talking about France that would mean that you feel French at last and I would be very glad of that after all the french bashing and garbage,you used to spread here since so many years about my country and just a last thing, I didn t hear a lot about such exports from France to Russia but rather more to China, US or Germany and unfortunately I never had the chance to Taste russian wine and cheese only moldovian and georgian wines which seemed to me very good !

Bunch of sanctions have been taken against Russia in order to make its economy fall and only resulted in the consolidation of its economy. The reason for that doesn't lie in the fact that Russia is an incredible country ruled by extremely smart people, but rather in the fact that EU is ruled by a bunch of incompetent morons. Cheese or wine isn't the important point here (even though some French people went to Russia to develop a business and we lost both competent artisan and exports), not even cereal production since Russia is now one of the leader in the matter, whereas, in France, we destroy the agriculture which is one of the main strenght of the country. The important point is that the sanctions from France or Eu and the West against Russia only gave Russia an excuse to promote protectionnism and the development of its own factories whereas it wouldn't have been accepted by Russians otherwise.

This is, by the way, one of the reason to claim that EU is responsible of this war with US by both giving the mean and provoking a country that would otherwise be kept in check and even cooperate against China that also has been largely fed by western politics and multinational greed.

You all have too much time!

Nothing is perfect but for the moment I prefer not to support criminal regimes. Other considerations are secondary to me. The behavior of a Putin, a Xi Jingping or a Kim Jong Un says a lot about their values, these people oppress their own people first. For an Assange who finally returned home to Australia free, how many people have been assassinated or imprisoned by authoritarian systems that do not care about human rights. Democracies have the weakness of letting the most anti-democratic people express themselves within them, it is certainly a fragility but at the same time it is what makes the greatness of this system which remains the least bad compared to everything that humanity has been able to invent. The Russian economy has not collapsed as hoped? The Russian army is stronger than we think and it would be dangerous to attack it? Is this a reason to give free rein to this dictatorship? If Putin wins, it will be a signal of encouragement to all the tyrants on the planet.

不是哥们儿，俄罗斯怎么你了？乌克兰怎么你了？欧盟怎么你了？北约怎么你了？丁真怎么你了？四川怎么你了？藏族怎么你了？理塘怎么你了？瑞克怎么你了？
四字成语：见证英雄
《关于这个网站上是如何培养见证英雄》
Of course, all of the above is nonsense
当然以上都是屁话，最好不要在俄罗斯和乌克兰之间站队，支持俄罗斯说明支持强者欺负弱者，支持乌克兰的说明压根不看双方实力。見證英雄！！全劇終。
It is best not to stand in line between Russia and Ukraine. Supporting Russia means supporting the strong to bully the weak, while supporting Ukraine means disregarding the strength of both sides.

不是哥们儿，俄罗斯怎么你了？乌克兰怎么你了？欧盟怎么你了？北约怎么你了？丁真怎么你了？四川怎么你了？藏族怎么你了？理塘怎么你了？瑞克怎么你了？
四字成语：见证英雄
《关于这个网站上是如何培养见证英雄》
Of course, all of the above is nonsense
当然以上都是屁话，最好不要在俄罗斯和乌克兰之间站队，支持俄罗斯说明支持强者欺负弱者，支持乌克兰的说明压根不看双方实力。見證英雄！！全劇終。
It is best not to stand in line between Russia and Ukraine. Supporting Russia means supporting the strong to bully the weak, while supporting Ukraine means disregarding the strength of both sides.

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I think Putin, needs to get out immediately please.

I think the strategy by Trump and his administration is the following:
Trump tries to be normalize the relation between USA and Russia to divide the connection Russia and China as China is the main "enemy" or competitior of the United States.
Actually in the 1970s Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger tried it the other way around with China: They succeeded by dividing China from the Soviet Union.

Of course Trump completely underestimates the cleverness of Vladimir Putin and Sergei Lavrov.

In my opinion, the risk he is taking with the raw materials deal is also completely incalculable, because so far nobody knows how large the deposits there are and whether it is even worth mining them.

And what the US government thinks of “troublesome” foreign countries has been made clear today in the signal chats.

How can they be so goddamn naive...

a little bit of history, probably not everyone knows -
here is this picture from a geography textbook for 1892
The Southern Edge of the Russian Empire, Malorossiya (present-day Ukraine) is located above

that is, before such a gift, Ukraine did not have access to the sea at all

and this territory (as you can see, huge) was given to Ukraine by the communists - the entire southern edge of the former Russian Empire (including Crimea, Odessa, the long-suffering Bakhmut and in general - the entire territory where the war is currently going on.
not sold, not lost in the war - but simply given away (Lenin, Khrushchev), the local population - was forced to learn the Ukrainian language, those who did not want to - lost their jobs, such a term appeared - Ukrainization, the desire of the people - no one asked.

let's say you live in a three-room apartment - the government takes one room from you and gives it to a neighbor, to your understandable indignation - replies: shut up, or we'll kill you.
and the neighbor who received your room for free - nevertheless hates you and constantly says to his children - that you oppress him.
what would you think of such a government and such a neighbor?
this is a little bit about the attitude of Ukraine to Russia.

p.s. in 1654 (if I do not confuse the dates) the then Ukraine turned to Russia - with a request to accept into its composition - because the Poles oppressed too much. Russia agreed and thus saved the Ukrainians from complete destruction by the Poles, but as a result received a difficult war with Poland.

and here is gratitude, as the popular saying goes - do not do good - you will not receive evil
I am more and more convinced of the wisdom of proverbs

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a little bit of history, probably not everyone knows -
here is this picture from a geography textbook for 1892
The Southern Edge of the Russian Empire, Malorossiya (present-day Ukraine) is located above

that is, before such a gift, Ukraine did not have access to the sea at all

and this territory (as you can see, huge) was given to Ukraine by the communists - the entire southern edge of the former Russian Empire (including Crimea, Odessa, the long-suffering Bakhmut and in general - the entire territory where the war is currently going on.
not sold, not lost in the war - but simply given away (Lenin, Khrushchev), the local population - was forced to learn the Ukrainian language, those who did not want to - lost their jobs, such a term appeared - Ukrainization, the desire of the people - no one asked.

let's say you live in a three-room apartment - the government takes one room from you and gives it to a neighbor, to your understandable indignation - replies: shut up, or we'll kill you.
and the neighbor who received your room for free - nevertheless hates you and constantly says to his children - that you oppress him.
what would you think of such a government and such a neighbor?
this is a little bit about the attitude of Ukraine to Russia.

p.s. in 1654 (if I do not confuse the dates) the then Ukraine turned to Russia - with a request to accept into its composition - because the Poles oppressed too much. Russia agreed and thus saved the Ukrainians from complete destruction by the Poles, but as a result received a difficult war with Poland.

and here is gratitude, as the popular saying goes - do not do good - you will not receive evil
I am more and more convinced of the wisdom of proverbs

What does this mean? Do we have to restore the borders of the past?

What does this mean? Do we have to restore the borders of the past?

I think it is useful to know the history of any conflict and understand that not everything is as clear and simple as many people think.

And if in 2014 Ukrainians (some) overthrew Yanukovych and did not want to live under his rule, then others (in Donetsk and Lugansk and in Crimea) did not want to live under the new government and voted for separation.

The right of peoples to self-determination is one of the basic principles of international law, meaning the right of each people to independently decide on the form of their state existence, freely establish their political status and carry out their economic and cultural development. (c)

by the way, pay attention - these are all parts of the former Southern Edge of the Russian Empire (this is originally Russian land)

I think it is useful to know the history of any conflict and understand that not everything is as clear and simple as many people think.

And if in 2014 Ukrainians (some) overthrew Yanukovych and did not want to live under his rule, then others (in Donetsk and Lugansk and in Crimea) did not want to live under the new government and voted for separation.

The right of peoples to self-determination is one of the basic principles of international law, meaning the right of each people to independently decide on the form of their state existence, freely establish their political status and carry out their economic and cultural development. (c)

by the way, pay attention - these are all parts of the former Southern Edge of the Russian Empire (this is originally Russian land)

Russia is the largest country in the world. What does Russia want? Does it want to rebuild the empire? Does it want the Caucasus, Moldova, the Baltics? The blood of those who died in this war will fall on those who wanted this war.🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸

why does Russia need Moldova, the Caucasus and the Baltics?
this is not originally Russian land, although for example the Baltics were bought from the Swedes))
before, the communists poured huge amounts of money into the Caucasus (especially Georgia) and the Baltics (a showcase of socialism) and how did it end?
the popular saying is right - about those who do good.
and who wants war? just now the Russian Federation and Ukraine, with the mediation of the USA, made a deal - not to bomb fuel infrastructure facilities, and Ukraine asked for it. and immediately after the deal - that same night - Ukraine sent drones to three of our facilities at once - so who wants war?

why does Russia need Moldova, the Caucasus and the Baltics?
this is not originally Russian land, although for example the Baltics were bought from the Swedes))
before, the communists poured huge amounts of money into the Caucasus (especially Georgia) and the Baltics (a showcase of socialism) and how did it end?
the popular saying is right - about those who do good.
and who wants war? just now the Russian Federation and Ukraine, with the mediation of the USA, made a deal - not to bomb fuel infrastructure facilities, and Ukraine asked for it. and immediately after the deal - that same night - Ukraine sent drones to three of our facilities at once - so who wants war?

even the time of propaganda will end and the wicked will die

As long as there is a community of people, propaganda will not end. And in the end, everyone will die, no one will be saved.

when we lie down in the ground - we'll all be level

A strange fate has been prepared for us
We worry night and day
And we gnaw at each other at meetings
We strain ourselves, we scream.

But at the cemetery it's so quiet
No enemies, no friends to be seen
Everything is cultured, everything is decent
Exceptional grace.

Creeps me out

Olga, since you like to recall the results of the votes in the eastern regions of Ukraine that Putin organized after his "special operation" and which effectively gave an overwhelming majority to the pro-Russians. I could remind you that the referendum on the independence of Ukraine organized in 1991 after the fall of USSR, gave a strong majority for the independence of Ukraine with more than 92% yes. Even the eastern regions including Crimea had a majority in favor of independence with a small advantage certainly but a majority nonetheless. I think that these votes took place in fairer circumstances than those organized by Putin. These regions saw such forced population displacements that it is difficult to speak of decisions of the indigenous people. I remind you that in the case of Crimea the true people of origin are the Tatars who were deported in large part by Stalin.

I could remind you that the referendum on the independence of Ukraine organized in 1991 after the fall of the USSR, gave a strong majority for the independence of Ukraine with more than 92% yes.//

I remember (or rather, leaflets from those times are recorded on the Internet) - where Ukraine is compared to a second Switzerland and France, if they (the Ukrainians) did not feed the entire Soviet Union. Here is the USSR gone and even despite the fact that Putin gave huge privileges to Ukraine (for example, gratuitous loans, practically just gave away billions of dollars, the price of gas was at domestic Russian prices, etc.), Ukraine not only did not become equal to the economy of Switzerland or France, Ukraine does not reach the level of development of the Ukrainian SSR.

However, when the USSR was being destroyed, a lot of people wanted to leave the sinking ship, including Russians.
And in 2014 - the situation was similar, Ukraine was sinking, the president was overthrown, a bloody dictator who was afraid to shoot a crowd of protesters in order to save the country, as the Chinese did on the square with an unpronounceable name in 1989. If the Ukrainians tried to protest now, under the radiant democrat Zelensky - they would be mowed down with machine guns, they are not rebelling, although there are more than enough reasons.
So, the country was falling apart, a lot of people did not want to live under the president who glorifies Nazis and Banderites - that's why they voted against being part of Ukraine - it seems democratic to me. Or is it democratic for you when it's against the USSR and in no case the other way around?
Moreover, Putin did not recognize the results of the vote in the LPR and DPR in 2014, and the genocide of the civilian population of the LPR and DPR by Ukraine began.
Why would Putin organize the vote - if he did not recognize the results of the vote??

and yes, I feel very sorry for the people from the LPR and DPR, they found themselves between a rock and a hard place, they voted to join the Russian Federation, but they simply don't know the current Russian Federation.
one small example, but very indicative - last summer, the country is in a difficult war, thousands of people are dying, part of the Kursk region is captured, people demand to pass a law on the creation of local self-defense, to distribute weapons to civilians - the government passes a law banning gender reassignment for transsexuals, fuck!!!
very fucking relevant, timely and necessary!
and so on in everything