Of course Italy is beautiful. It is a true beacon of history and culture in the world. But in a forum dedicated to politics it's okay if the topic shifts towards societal issues, disagreements don't mean war. Obviously, this is a place to share opinions and we can't have war. Debate though is fundamentally healthy, especially in the complex world we live in. There is a place for balance. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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In regards to what specifically?
What @Pennarossa2024 and the others said so for example that people dont pay taxes. And that people are thinking of themselves. And if i can remember for example that a lot of money and food is wasted.
In my opinion it seems that the French (Corsica aside) are a much more united and patriotic people compared to the Italians. Italians are mercenaries and opportunists, we are certainly not a united people, you will think that it is the usual question between north and south, in reality there are inhabitants of the same region who hate each other, in Lombardy Bergamo and Brescia hate each other, in Sicily Palermo and Catania they hate each other, in Trentino Alto Adige there is hatred between Trento and Bolzano, in Puglia there is hatred between Lecce and Foggia.....In Tuscany the people of Livorno hate the Pisans etc
What @Pennarossa2024 and the others said so for example that people dont pay taxes. And that people are thinking of themselves. And if i can remember for example that a lot of money and food is wasted.
What @Pennarossa2024 and the others said so for example that people dont pay taxes. And that people are thinking of themselves. And if i can remember for example that a lot of money and food is wasted.
I'm definitely no expert about Italy but I think France and Italy are pretty similar overall. The mindset, the food, the landscapes, the culture.
Paying taxes or having a strong foreign policy aren't goals in and of themselves: they are means/tools towards strategies, which maybe have yet to be defined. Just like with war, no one starts a war for the sake of it, there are always underlying reasons (mostly bad ones, but reasons nonetheless). Sure, a strong foreign policy sounds good out of principle, but in practice what do you do with it? Does it necessarily serve a purpose? For example Switzerland or Norway have virtually no foreign policy whatsoever, and I think it's served them well.
I'm definitely no expert about Italy but I think France and Italy are pretty similar overall. The mindset, the food, the landscapes, the culture.
Paying taxes or having a strong foreign policy aren't goals in and of themselves: they are means/tools towards strategies, which maybe have yet to be defined. Just like with war, no one starts a war for the sake of it, there are always underlying reasons (mostly bad ones, but reasons nonetheless). Sure, a strong foreign policy sounds good out of principle, but in practice what do you do with it? Does it necessarily serve a purpose? For example Switzerland or Norway have virtually no foreign policy whatsoever, and I think it's served them well.
But if you put Italy and France on the scale, it is France that has a stronger foreign policy. Look for example that it was Macron who went to Putin. I have never seen President Mattarella go to the Kremlin
But if you put Italy and France on the scale, it is France that has a stronger foreign policy. Look for example that it was Macron who went to Putin. I have never seen President Mattarella go to the Kremlin
You're right, and after Putin made Macron wait for a half hour alone we were granted this marvelous shot that embodies how powerful the voice of France truly is 😂️:
..But at least it helped in stopping the war. Just kidding 😵💫️
You can't have a strong voice if you have no economic or military leverage. We gave up on both. We also gave up on charisma, so we can't even try to pretend either. 🙄️
Now Italy counts a lot. We have a prime minister who is the most powerful person in Europe 🤔😶But if you put Italy and France on the scale, it is France that has a stronger foreign policy. Look for example that it was Macron who went to Putin. I have never seen President Mattarella go to the Kremlin
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I'm not sure to what extent it will benefit Italy, but I guess it's best to have good relations regardless.
Side question: why do you wrap your own answer with a quote? 🤔️ It also prevents your text from being quoted since quotes of quotes are ignored by the reply system (and it hides your text from notifications, too)
To be honest? Hell no. At least in part. I am italian,moved to sweden in 2022 and here they all have a weird image of italy. They think snow and cold don’t exist and that it’s like living in the hawaii. They talk about italy yes,but with a wrong image. So in sweden it counts but they don’t know how the real italy is