But this food thing must end, it only leads to a tourism of ignorant people who stay in the restaurant to photograph the dishes
Of course italy counts in the world sooo many beautifull things to see and such good food
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Since you ask the question in "Politics and Governments", I will only answer for this area:
By July 2024, more than 30,000 refugees and migrants had arrived in Italy by sea. In the same period last year, over 83,000 refugees and migrants arrived. The people who arrived by sea in 2024 most often came from Bangladesh, Tunisia and Syria.
To be honest, I think most European countries are happy not to be in Italy's place.
Since you ask the question in "Politics and Governments", I will only answer for this area:
By July 2024, more than 30,000 refugees and migrants had arrived in Italy by sea. In the same period last year, over 83,000 refugees and migrants arrived. The people who arrived by sea in 2024 most often came from Bangladesh, Tunisia and Syria.
To be honest, I think most European countries are happy not to be in Italy's place.
How would you solve this problem?
How would you solve this problem?
Maybe all the European countries should help. And that we help development in other countries. Maybe that is the only solution. What do you think Lorenzo?
And I am surprised in this forum that people from Italy say that Italy is beautiful (which is true) but that they sometimes dont like Italian people. When we were in Italy EVERYBODY was very kind to us. Even when it was difficult to speak sometimes because our hotel was not in the city centre and outside it people often did not speak English. But they were very friendly. And they could eat A LOTTTTT!!! I have no idea how they can eat so much when the first thing that you eat is already a meal and after that they give a main dish and we were like π΅βπ«π΅βπ«π΅βπ« (except my dad π )
Maybe all the European countries should help. And that we help development in other countries. Maybe that is the only solution. What do you think Lorenzo?
And I am surprised in this forum that people from Italy say that Italy is beautiful (which is true) but that they sometimes dont like Italian people. When we were in Italy EVERYBODY was very kind to us. Even when it was difficult to speak sometimes because our hotel was not in the city centre and outside it people often did not speak English. But they were very friendly. And they could eat A LOTTTTT!!! I have no idea how they can eat so much when the first thing that you eat is already a meal and after that they give a main dish and we were like π΅βπ«π΅βπ«π΅βπ« (except my dad π )
All European countries should help but some don't. The European Union is in crisis even if no one says so. We should really help African countries. Instead some European governments have given money to dictators and presidents who have done nothing to help their people. Italy is a beautiful country but there are very rude Italians. Unfortunately also here on penpal gate. If in Italy many things go wrong it is the fault of politicians but also of many Italians. In Italy we eat too much and we waste a lot of food starting with bread.
How would you solve this problem?
Send these "refugees" to the rich arab neighbour-countries...I have never heard, that Saudi-Arabia or Dubai have accept "refugees"! My german home-town has transformed to a arabic slum since 2015, thanks to the green-socialist politics of our "german" goverment... Europe ist not the Social welfare office of the whole world! And especially Southern Italy has other great social problems then take care of these soldiers of fortune from Nothern Africa or Afghanistan! Look how many Italians in the South are without work...The people in Sicily, Calabria or Basilicata don't need "refugees"...
Send these "refugees" to the rich arab neighbour-countries...I have never heard, that Saudi-Arabia or Dubai have accept "refugees"! My german home-town has transformed to a arabic slum since 2015, thanks to the green-socialist politics of our "german" goverment... Europe ist not the Social welfare office of the whole world! And especially Southern Italy has other great social problems then take care of these soldiers of fortune from Nothern Africa or Afghanistan! Look how many Italians in the South are without work...The people in Sicily, Calabria or Basilicata don't need "refugees"...
Your opinion is absolutely embarrassing. If we were finally allowed to put people like you on an air mattress in the sea, more refugees would have room here.
Your opinion is absolutely embarrassing. If we were finally allowed to put people like you on an air mattress in the sea, more refugees would have room here.
Once again I notice that Yue (who is 13) is much more polite and serious than people older than her. People arriving in Europe from Africa are not packages that you can load on a plane and throw on Saudi Arabia. We need to solve the structural problems that push people to leave their country. The joke about the air mattress is really bad.
Your opinion is absolutely embarrassing. If we were finally allowed to put people like you on an air mattress in the sea, more refugees would have room here.
First, you'd better learn the difference between refugees and immigrants who only search for fortune in Europe
Maybe all the European countries should help. And that we help development in other countries. Maybe that is the only solution. What do you think Lorenzo?
And I am surprised in this forum that people from Italy say that Italy is beautiful (which is true) but that they sometimes dont like Italian people. When we were in Italy EVERYBODY was very kind to us. Even when it was difficult to speak sometimes because our hotel was not in the city centre and outside it people often did not speak English. But they were very friendly. And they could eat A LOTTTTT!!! I have no idea how they can eat so much when the first thing that you eat is already a meal and after that they give a main dish and we were like π΅βπ«π΅βπ«π΅βπ« (except my dad π )
Trust me @Yue_, Italy is beautiful, but most of the italian people are worthless, and i say it as italian. Not all of them of course, and there are also many nice and kind people as well, but most of them are selfish, rude, hypocrite and definitely not supportive each other. I met people from all over the world, and i can say without any doubt that the italians were the worst to talk and to become friends with. Maybe those people were nice with you just because they saw you as tourists aka money, i would not be surprised at all of that.
@Piwipete Here is an article which explains the situation that you described.
Let's be clear, the only solution we have to stop this immigration is where European nations should create a puppet government in certain African nations, place a pseudo dictator on top of it who is not bloodthirsty but who prohibits the population from leaving their country illegally, they should also establish birth control and raise the cultural level. Then obviously we will need to look for an effective solution to the lack of food and water.
Send these "refugees" to the rich arab neighbour-countries...I have never heard, that Saudi-Arabia or Dubai have accept "refugees"! My german home-town has transformed to a arabic slum since 2015, thanks to the green-socialist politics of our "german" goverment... Europe ist not the Social welfare office of the whole world! And especially Southern Italy has other great social problems then take care of these soldiers of fortune from Nothern Africa or Afghanistan! Look how many Italians in the South are without work...The people in Sicily, Calabria or Basilicata don't need "refugees"...
Let's be clear, the only solution we have to stop this immigration is where European nations should create a puppet government in certain African nations, place a pseudo dictator on top of it who is not bloodthirsty but who prohibits the population from leaving their country illegally, they should also establish birth control and raise the cultural level. Then obviously we will need to look for an effective solution to the lack of food and water.
I genuinely can't tell whether this is trolling, I don't mean to be rude but these solutions you suggest are just as absurd as they are infeasible on many different levels. Africans are not children, they are independent and deserve to run their countries however they please. However, we as Europeans also need to act based on our own interests and stop welcoming the entire third world with no end in sight. It hurts everyone: Europeans, illegals who wander around aimlessly, and Africa which will never develop. There is no solution to this and they need to go back to their home.
To be honest, I think most European countries are happy not to be in Italy's place.
Yes most illegals come from Italy, but they all want to go to the UK, France, and Germany. Italy is the only Western European country that tries to defends its interests it seems like. Sure the situation there is bad, but I believe it's worse for a number of its neighbors. π
All European countries should help but some don't. The European Union is in crisis even if no one says so. We should really help African countries. Instead some European governments have given money to dictators and presidents who have done nothing to help their people.
The problem with this is that it essentially suggests "we" (or any third party) need to take over because their leaders are not legitimate/capable of running their countries. I'm sure you can identify the problems it may lead to π.
Africa alone has a population of 1.5B people, and growing by an additional 10% of the size of Europe every single year. Europe's economy has started a slow collapse 15 years ago or so. We can't help nor are we even qualified to fix our own economies in seems like. We need to tackle our fundamental issues before we attempt to do anything with people from other parts of the world. This is absolutely vital.
This forum asked if Italy counts in the world. A country rich in history, art, culture and beauty counts in the world. However, if this country wants to count more, it must have a credible political class. It must have a strong foreign policy without being a slave to the European Union or NATO. We need citizens who pay taxes and governments that do not waste money on failed projects. If all these things were there, Italy would count more. But if we have a government that supports all European policies and supports wars (wanted by others) Italy remains a colony as Berto rightly wrote. And a country that counts for little does not have the strength to seriously address the problem of immigration. It was a pleasure to participate in this discussion but now I'm leaving. Speeches like the one about Saudi Arabia or the air mattress make me leave. Greetings and best wishes to everyone.
πΉπΉ for @Pennarossa2024. You are right i think. π
I made a PPG Peace Agreement forum: https://penpal-gate.net/forum/1-politics-and-governments/10153-ppg-peace-agreement For anybody who wants to help with it in a nice and kind way that would be super nice. Thank you! ππ
Our family has been to Rome one time and i would β€οΈ to go back to Italy to Rome but also to other cities and nature. All Italians in this forum: you have a very beautiful country!! π₯°π₯°