What do you think about Socialist countries Politics and governments

Brendan235, you are right to some degree, but not in this case. I lived in USA for 10 years. I think it's a big term to get some impression of the country. The West and the East is really different. I was in Austria, Italy and these countries are differ from USA. You are talking about research but it's not a guarantee of right understanding what's going on inside the country. I haven't been in China, I'm only guessing. But I know what a socialistic country is. I lived in USSR. And I used some resources too. More then that, it's obvious, China is on the right track. You know, economy, stability etc. So, it's somehow disturbing tendency when people are still trying to see some negative points in China instead of see some positive figures in the country. But it's not about you, I'm talking in general.

I don't this is a case of better understanding, I think it's a case of ideology.
When I hear people speaking in defense of socialism they often sound like religious fanatics. Their ideology is their religion.

But I know what a socialistic country is. I lived in USSR.

You grew up in the USSR? Well what happened to it? Is it suddenly not socialism if it fails? Was it state capitalism if it failed?
You might not like the USA (I'm guessing that has something to do with you growing up in the USSR), but the USA is still there and what's left of the USSR?

So, it's somehow disturbing tendency when people are still trying to see some negative points in China instead of see some positive figures in the country. But it's not about you, I'm talking in general.

I think most people who who have these "disturbing tendencies" are like me.
They don't like some of the things that the CCP does. They see socialism growing in popularity in their own country, but they think it's a bad idea. They don't want to live under an authoritarian government.
What specifically would you would consider disturbing?

Brendan235, it doesn't make any sence. We shouldn't be judgemental. Who we are to judge? I might like how people live in India or may not. Should I criticize them? Same thing with Chinees people. It's up to them to decide how are they going to live. People in USSR didn't like how they lived in a communist country, Nowadays some people changed their mind. Some people like it, but some are not. But they had an experience. They can compare one thing to another. If you didn't live in a country how can you judge if it's good or not so good?

The core concept of Socialism, Capitalism , Democracy or any other….is create a better standard of living, which highly interlinked to wealth generation. Every individual or government always tries achieve this objective. On other hand, they should responsible and accountable for their actions. With growing human demands and depleting natural resources, it’s not easy to balance.

There is no point of judging anyone or any country.

If individual is selfish or greedy…then he/she is a potential threat for the family.
If family is selfish, it’s threat to a community.
If a community is selfish, it’s threat for the Country.
If a Country is selfish, it’s threat to the world.

Unfortunately, people are not thinking beyond the borders. We elate our politicians or companies/communities without understanding their hidden interests and squabble for pretty things with biased views.

Yes, Leopal. If people of China will copy an American system it will be a disaster for the world! So many garbage we will see in the world. We all want to live in wealth, but there are not enough resources for everybody on our planet. And many other considerations. I, me, my? That's what it is all about? People in India producing much less garbage than people of the USA. But there are a population four times bigger. It's a very complicated question. Not for this kind of platform.

The forum is asking people what they think of socialist countries. I’m telling you what I think. You might not like it, that’s too bad.
Saying something like don’t be judgemental (or trying to change the subject to environmentalism) is the kind of thing someone does when they’ve got nothing else, so they try portray themselves as being morally superior.

Me: I think it was cruel that gladiators were forced to fight to the death in ancient Roman arenas.
Caesar: Well you didn’t live in that place and time so you don’t really know what you’re talking about. You shouldn’t be so judgemental.

There is no point of judging anyone or any country.

I think there is something to be gained from looking at what happens in another country.
Then you can ask yourself did a certain policy work out well for them?
If yes then maybe we should try it.
If no then maybe we shouldn’t.

If individual is selfish or greedy…then he/she is a potential threat for the family.
If family is selfish, it’s threat to a community.
If a community is selfish, it’s threat for the Country.
If a Country is selfish, it’s threat to the world.

An odd statement. I don’t get it. Are you seriously agreeing with this?
I have a question, who decides who is being greedy or selfish?
Maybe you think it’s you or someone who shares your values . Maybe then the person who will be punished for their selfishness is someone who hoards money and power and gives nothing back.
What if they decide that you’re the one who’s selfish (and a threat) and you need to pay for it?

Brendan, we all are selfish. Don't you agree? States, governments are the same. Do you think that capitalist countries are more moral than communist countries? Do you really can think like that? Do you really think like that? So, what is has to do with the system? What is a difference if it's a socialist country or capitalist? Remember, we started to ague about which system is better?

Are we all selfish? To some degree. We all have a sense of self preservation. We all want to live the way we want to live. I don’t think that would justify saying that a person is a threat to others. Do you?
I think that any government (at it’s best) is just a system that serves it’s citizens. I think they are all prone to corruption. I don’t think governments are all the same.
What concerns me is: will this system work and would I want to live there.
Well I can’t think of many socialist countries where I would want to live. There are other countries where I don’t think I’d like to live, so it’s not just socialist countries.

“Which system is better?” How about where would you rather live?
A lot of people from Cuba risked their lives to get to the USA. How much traffic is going in the other direction? I know where I’d rather live.
There was a similar situation with East Germany and West Germany. More human traffic going one way than the other. I know where I’d rather have lived.
North Korea and South Korea is a pretty good comparison. A country divided into two different systems for decades. I know where I’d rather live.

Can you actually come up with an argument for socialism? Or are you just gonna criticize capitalism?
Are those the “selfish countries”. They're not exactly perfect are they, but I don’t think that makes socialism any more appealing.

So you think so?Just like that.Maybe I can explain the duck.If you understand...get in touch

Brendan, so, are you going to live in Irak, Libia, Iran? Are they socialist countries? No, they are not socialist countries. They are capitalist countries. And very few people would like to live there. North Korea and China have the same system but life is different. What I am trying to say - the high level of living does not necessarily depends on the political system in the country. In some of the Northern countries like Finland or Sweden there are more socialist futures than has China.

Brendan, we all are selfish. Don't you agree? States, governments are the same. Do you think that capitalist countries are more moral than communist countries? Do you really can think like that? Do you really think like that? So, what is has to do with the system? What is a difference if it's a socialist country or capitalist? Remember, we started to ague about which system is better?

Yes, capitalist countries are somehow more moral. Not our governments maybe, but system - yes. More freedom. Propaganda - it's everywhere, but in the west we still can criticize our governments in media, and there are some debates over their moves.

If our officials are vulnerable and greedy - it's about money, not power, because it's not so easy here. In communistic countries, it's about money and power.

We have protests - yellow jackets in France, armed citizens in USA (correct me someone, it was related to some governor who tried to force some strict covid policy on people?), protests in many west countries when something controversial is going on. Anyway, it often can influence decisions.

Of course, things are going in bad direction now, at least in UE, trying to be less and less democratic and less free.

But still, citizens have more freedom in capitalistic countries.

Oxiu, is it a fact? You know that it's only your opinion. I thought like that long time ago too. But today the world is changing. And it's obvious. Who are these enemies? Russia and China? Why? What is wrong with this logic? Are we going to fight till the end? Whose end? Isn't that stupid? We want to fight for what reasons? Can we live in peace? Or we will continue such nonsense to go on and on? Why we can't live in peace? Is it so hard to live in piece? Are we always have to look for some enemies? You know, that was going on in the world today. People want to see adversaries? What is going on in the West? Prices are going up, but the blame on Putin? What kind of logic is that?

Where do You see that Im taking Russia and China as enemies? I didn't say that in my comment here. Although they are. At least Russia. How different can we see it, if almost every day Russian politics are threatening other countries? Russia attacked the Ukraine, and had no clear reason to do that. They didn't give us a choice, but to tighten our bonds and cooperarion with Scandinavian countries, because people have enough of that terroristic imperialism. Sorry, we have XXI century, and some country starts a war in europe? Are You kidding me?

Anyway, it's about another topic, here. Right?

From my last comment

There are other countries where I don’t think I’d like to live, so it’s not just socialist countries.

and your reply...

Brendan, so, are you going to live in Irak, Libia, Iran? Are they socialist countries? No, they are not socialist countries. They are capitalist countries. And very few people would like to live there.

Did I offer any of those countries as examples? No.
Those countries do have something in common though. Sharia law. Which is not really something I agree with.
Do you remember I mentioned already...

When I hear people speaking in defense of socialism they often sound like religious fanatics. Their ideology is their religion.

I don't want to live in a place where somebody is trying to force their beliefs on me. Whether those beliefs are religious or some political ideology.
Believe it or not, we're not all die hard devotees to our political system. Is this getting through to you?

What I am trying to say - the high level of living does not necessarily depends on the political system in the country.

If that's what you believe then why are you arguing so much for socialism?

In some of the Northern countries like Finland or Sweden there are more socialist futures than has China.

I've heard the idea before that they are socialist countries. Here's an article link that disputes that claim
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/scandinavian-socialism/

So you think so?Just like that.Maybe I can explain the duck.If you understand...get in touch

You can explain the duck? I think something has been lost in translation here buddy...