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Vietare l’Islam non eliminerebbe la violenza politica. La violenza non è causata da una religione in sé, ma da specifiche condizioni politiche, sociali e storiche, oltre che da interpretazioni estremiste che esistono in molti contesti diversi.

You are almost there; now consider that Islam more than any religion is a powerful political tool and that the Qu'ran is a text of law. That muslim countries show very distinctive patterns and that their history show a spread of the religion through the blade above all others.

The fact that you mention Germans during 1930's is interesting too: Yes, most Germans were probably not extremists and most likely had no desire to resort to violence, yet, we all know that Germany and Japan made awful things in 30-40's. You don't need to have a majority of "evil" people to get into a very bad situation, but to get an environment that can bring most people to support you and support the extremist view.
Like you said, the same applies with Islam, at least in non-muslim countries.

Some people here seemingly haven't seen how the West has changed with Islam and compliance towards it. It would be better to each have our own places and get Christians and Atheists in Europe and Muslims in the Islamic world. Alas, for some reasons many people want to run away from the Islamic world and still bring Islam in their luggages.

If someone has come from an Islamic country to the western world and they still choose to practice their faith they are not escaping their religion! I think many people who immigrate to Europe, UK, America etc are seeking employment opportunities with better pay. For the longest time in history many weastern countries have exploited countries like mine (Pakistan) for their natural resources and have undermined the citizens position. I think it’s only fair if they have equal opportunities to moves accross border for and improved quality of life.

You have emphasized all your response on my last sentence while completely ignoring the rest, especially about cultural and legal aspect linked to the practice of Islam. That speaks volumes.

Please, don't bring the taqqiya and the victim card game on the table.
You have emphasized all your response on my last sentence while completely ignoring the rest, especially about cultural and legal aspect linked to the practice of Islam. That speaks volumes.

Please, don't bring the taqqiya and the victim card game on the table.


You’re right, I shouldn’t have responded based on a small part of what you said. I just felt it necessary to explain why people may immigrate. For many Islamic functioning countries they do use the Quran as primary texts for their constitution but when radical or extremist groups are formed they tend to undermine why the Quran says. For example ISIS and their horrific actions against the Yazidi community. I remember watching their actions as a young teenager and feeling repulsed by what they did because the Quran says to treat everyone equally regardless of differences yet based solely on their culture and religion they carried out mass atrocities. I think extremist groups like this should be separated from Islam. I’m not sure if that answers what you wrote or if I have just completely misunderstood what you said but that’s my opinion. 🙃