In my view if you search for proofs you don't really believe. Besides there are things which are unprovable.But even if you should look for proofs confirmating your beliefs, shouldn't you look for those
I heard about that experiment, but the scientist you mentioned created just amino acids, not life.
If you find an experiment about creating at least germ or cell it would be something really interesting.
My point is a cell is much more sophisticated that a TV set. Do you believe that a TV set can come into being without any conscious action?
There are a lot of theories about the universe but they are not flawless and they are not proofs, are they?
Please, don't get offended but in my view your denomination is science. You laugh at people who believe in God while you believe in theories. There is no big difference.The arguments of contemporary science are extremely abstract. You cannot understand all of them. You have to count on scientists and believe that what they say is correct. But it often emerges that it isn't.
You mentioned legends. Perhaps you heard about Troya. Not every legend must be a fairy tale. Some of them may contain some facts although they're often embellished.
I'm not bound by any denomination or belief system, but I believe there is a sort of force or consciousnes that created life, really interesting thing that can resist entropy. If you don't believe
I'm not going to convince you, but I think you don't really now anything about that and your scientists either and it's not very wise to ridicule someones beliefs without sufficient grounds.
Anyway I'm really glad about that discussion, and hope you don't experience it as a row or something like that.
What do you think living creatures are made by? We are complications of organic molecules. Amino acids are our building stones. After amino acids' existense, Coacervates come to world. Then first anaerob procaryota cell comes... That is evolution. I am saying again, we are complications of organic molecules. Life is this. All of living creatures are made of these organics. Amino acid is one of most important of them. If Amino acid exist, molecules starts to build organism and "creates life".
Denomination? Do your denominations have proofs? Science can explain me how life started. But your religion can't. It cannot explain me why I should go to church. Yes it says me if don't go there, I will go to hell. But it cannot really show me hell. Science says if I put sodium in sulphuric acid, hydrogen gas comes up. And science can explain me why we obtain hydrogen after this reaction. It has real proof.
Let's make a supposition, let's think Multiverse is not true and Miller-Urey experiment is wrong. Does this situation prove God? Does this situation show me hell? Science is duration. Ignorance is temporary. Ancient Greek didn't know about thunders. So, they "create" a God, Zeus... Then, you say we don't exactly know everything about universe, so God hypothesis is true. "ISN'T THIS SILLY?"
Again and again, science is duration. We musn't fill the information spaces with Gods. We must work for filling them with scientific information.
I know about Troy. Troy is in western side of Turkey. Did you know Trojan horse is a lie? It's a part of Troy legend. Heinrich Schliemann was the first archaeologist who worked in Troy. Do you know what he found? He found that Troy's walls were destroyed by an earthquake. Troy city was above a earthquake fault. So Akha soldiers get in city easily. But Homeros didn't agree this, did he?
So will you continue to believe in Adam and Eve Tale? Do you think Achilles was irresistable? Do you think only King Arhur was able to pull the Sword up? Do you think Eve was created by Adam's Rib?
I think you mean I'm under control of science. No, one day if somebody proves God Hypothesis, I will believe God. But until that day, I won't satisfy myself with fabls. Try to understand me. I want to be convinced by you, theists. But until I was borned, nobody could make me a theist. But science show me how world goes on, so my choise is Science. Yes, science has incomplete parts but I am not have to fill that parts with mythology. Also, science has bright ideas for that parts already. (Multiverse, Quarks etc...) After all, this is not important. Think this, we don't know yet, but we do not have to know "now" too.. 🙂 Let's try to find out. This is more important...
Science's theories are not perfect but I am not have to believe in God because of it. It doesn't prove me God. I hope ( I know you think I worship science but) Sciencist will find out a theory that has really certain proofs about Universe. If I would be a Theist, I would mind it and I would say God created Universe and I would leave that work to physicists. So, Religious Idea is a barricade in front of Free Idea.
At last, yes I am also thankful you. You make me to think about Theism although my idea didn't change. I hope you will think about Atheism too.