I think we should look out for both sides of the conflict especially civilians!
One of the human faults is choosing sides instead of caring for all humans..
One should never hate anyone for their race or nation
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I think we should look out for both sides of the conflict especially civilians!One of the human faults is choosing sides instead of caring for all humans..
One should never hate anyone for their race or nation
we dont "Hate" them for Race Or Nation.
i guess u dont know whats happing there .........
u should check out some vids Etc
I definitely prefer Palestine than Israel but I support only Kingdom of Jerusalem truly 🙂 Deus Vult!Deus Vult... That motto has costed approximately 1.7 million lives in total. Quos deus vult perdere prius dementat...
Neither. It's not my problem if they are killing each other there, especially considering how both side are rotten. My problem is rather that :
- Some terrorists of either side come to Europe to do their crap for whatever weird reasons.
- That if a (western) European country doens't do anything, then either side could whine about it not doing anything and that if a European country does something, they whine about interference from Europeans.
- That some western countries still try to interefer there, even when it's not about some so called international law that only matter when its writter wants.
Nevertheless, I pity the random people taken inbetween. Living in that kind of place where they are constantly sitting on a bunch of dynamite that has been exploding periodically for deccades must be tough.
Dear chrisBoth do that. Videos of hamas using children as human shield weren't rare on the internet a few years ago...
Because israel is killing babies and childs in palestine, u can imagine being a father, tho u are not that good (ik), then someone kills the most important person in ur life . Dont make mistake , u are not living with fear, u are living in fear, in palestine .
I can give u more resons u can just ask
Neither. It's not my problem if they are killing each other there, especially considering how both side are rotten. My problem is rather that :WHAT its called FAKE have u ever come across the word "fake" cuz u dont know its not allowed for muslims to use children like that soo its and if u believe that then u need to go back to kindergartens ☺- Some terrorists of either side come to Europe to do their crap for whatever weird reasons.
- That if a (western) European country doens't do anything, then either side could whine about it not doing anything and that if a European country does something, they whine about interference from Europeans.
- That some western countries still try to interefer there, even when it's not about some so called international law that only matter when its writter wants.Nevertheless, I pity the random people taken inbetween. Living in that kind of place where they are constantly sitting on a bunch of dynamite that has been exploding periodically for deccades must be tough.
Dear chrisBoth do that. Videos of hamas using children as human shield weren't rare on the internet a few years ago...
Because israel is killing babies and childs in palestine, u can imagine being a father, tho u are not that good (ik), then someone kills the most important person in ur life . Dont make mistake , u are not living with fear, u are living in fear, in palestine .
I can give u more resons u can just ask
A question is: What does the Hamas to support a progress of a peace? Right, Nothing!!
Their only goal to let the whole middle east fight against Israel and swipe it from the earth.
Its totally senseless to hope another government will be better than now: Most people Just want Israel to disappear.
I also see that Israel has to stop the settlememts, but this was not the reason Hamas attacked Israel
A question is: What does the Hamas to support a progress of a peace? Right, Nothing!!And what does Israel do to Palestine??? Israel wants to wipe every palestinian off the earth so why should hamas just end israel???Their only goal to let the whole middle east fight against Israel and swipe it from the earth.
Its totally senseless to hope another government will be better than now: Most people Just want Israel to disappear.I also see that Israel has to stop the settlememts, but this was not the reason Hamas attacked Israel
To believe that is dangerous, with the same logic September 11th would have never happened.Neither. It's not my problem if they are killing each other there, especially considering how both side are rotten. My problem is rather that :WHAT its called FAKE have u ever come across the word "fake" cuz u dont know its not allowed for muslims to use children like that soo its and if u believe that then u need to go back to kindergartens ☺- Some terrorists of either side come to Europe to do their crap for whatever weird reasons.
- That if a (western) European country doens't do anything, then either side could whine about it not doing anything and that if a European country does something, they whine about interference from Europeans.
- That some western countries still try to interefer there, even when it's not about some so called international law that only matter when its writter wants.Nevertheless, I pity the random people taken inbetween. Living in that kind of place where they are constantly sitting on a bunch of dynamite that has been exploding periodically for deccades must be tough.
Dear chrisBoth do that. Videos of hamas using children as human shield weren't rare on the internet a few years ago...
Because israel is killing babies and childs in palestine, u can imagine being a father, tho u are not that good (ik), then someone kills the most important person in ur life . Dont make mistake , u are not living with fear, u are living in fear, in palestine .
I can give u more resons u can just ask
Those Muslim try to interprete their faith that they have to fight against unfaith people.
And what is an unfaith person? This definition is what terrorists use to convince groups to believe its right what they do..
The actual Sense of September 11th was to provoke the US to invade in middle east and then to fight against them as invaders.
Because its easier to convince your own people to fight against something when they are on your own ground as if they are 1000s Miles away.
If it doesn't go your way, it is fake, but if it goes, surely it is the truth, right?Neither. It's not my problem if they are killing each other there, especially considering how both side are rotten. My problem is rather that :WHAT its called FAKE have u ever come across the word "fake" cuz u dont know its not allowed for muslims to use children like that soo its and if u believe that then u need to go back to kindergartens ☺- Some terrorists of either side come to Europe to do their crap for whatever weird reasons.
- That if a (western) European country doens't do anything, then either side could whine about it not doing anything and that if a European country does something, they whine about interference from Europeans.
- That some western countries still try to interefer there, even when it's not about some so called international law that only matter when its writter wants.Nevertheless, I pity the random people taken inbetween. Living in that kind of place where they are constantly sitting on a bunch of dynamite that has been exploding periodically for deccades must be tough.
Dear chrisBoth do that. Videos of hamas using children as human shield weren't rare on the internet a few years ago...
Because israel is killing babies and childs in palestine, u can imagine being a father, tho u are not that good (ik), then someone kills the most important person in ur life . Dont make mistake , u are not living with fear, u are living in fear, in palestine .
I can give u more resons u can just ask
Also, please, spare me the "Islam has nothing to do with Islam" rethoric... I get it served enough on a daily basis and something forbidden by a religion doesn't mean that religious won't do it anyway.
....... If a Muslim kills someone or defends his country he is called a "terrorist" but if a person other than a Muslim does it then he is a hero????!!!!!!!A question is: What does the Hamas to support a progress of a peace? Right, Nothing!!And what does Israel do to Palestine??? Israel wants to wipe every palestinian off the earth so why should hamas just end israel???Their only goal to let the whole middle east fight against Israel and swipe it from the earth.
Its totally senseless to hope another government will be better than now: Most people Just want Israel to disappear.I also see that Israel has to stop the settlememts, but this was not the reason Hamas attacked Israel
....... If a Muslim kills someone or defends his country he is called a "terrorist" but if a person other than a Muslim does it then he is a hero????!!!!!!!I'm pretty sure if Palestine had the upper hand, they would very much try to wipe the Jews from the area as well. Something fascinating with some people is that they play the victim card a lot until they have enough power and become the worst bullies.
Now, Hamas is a terrorist organization not because they are muslims, but because of how they act: Bombing attack, focusing and killing civilians => using means of terror. You can very much defend your territory and be a terrorist, and Hamas like Israel both are full of them.
Besides, it's not our fault that a bunch of your co-religionists are terrorists... May I remind you that other Muslims are the first victims of these lunatics because they disagree slightly with Islam? Even before Israeli or Europeans?
Cant people see what Israel is doing to the innocent palestinians?....... If a Muslim kills someone or defends his country he is called a "terrorist" but if a person other than a Muslim does it then he is a hero????!!!!!!!I'm pretty sure if Palestine had the upper hand, they would very much try to wipe the Jews from the area as well. Something fascinating with some people is that they play the victim card a lot until they have enough power and become the worst bullies.Now, Hamas is a terrorist organization not because they are muslims, but because of how they act: Bombing attack, focusing and killing civilians => using means of terror. You can very much defend your territory and be a terrorist, and Hamas like Israel both are full of them.
Besides, it's not our fault that a bunch of your co-religionists are terrorists... May I remind you that other Muslims are the first victims of these lunatics because they disagree slightly with Islam? Even before Israeli or Europeans?
How do you know for a fact that if the Palestinians had the upper hand they would do that to the jews?
The jews have been oppressing them for 73 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you expect them to sit and do nothing?
No! They value their land.
Which people that are not Muslims are called terrorists?
Its only the Afghanis, Hamas, Syrians etc
Yes the world see it and more than enough foreign ministers and presidents critisize Netanjahu for his way. Netanjahu is a hardliner.
But that Erdogan meets the Hamas Boss and acts apart from that everything is okay with our country is a really no go!
The day after Israel was founded 6 countries attacked Israel, in 1973 again. Israel did many mistakes - no questions - but to protect or support the Hamas after such cruel attacks (read the reports from the body counters) is also a nogo. In my opinion its the same like Muslims applaused after September 11th attacks.
The other problem is: Nobody has any intention to stop the hateness against Israel. In Iran young pupils in primary school have to say every morning before school starts: "Israel is our enemy, Israel has to be wiped from earth!"
The Hamas attacked Israel as another reason, because they wanted to prevent more and more countries in the middle east from making peace with Israel. They couldn´t accept that Saudi Arabia (a former enemy of Israel) wanted to join this circle of countries.
And in Iran the normal people don´t want those games anymore, they want to live in peace, but the Mullahs have to disappear - together with their revolutionary guards. These guards are the life insurance of the Mullahs, and they know that they cannot win a war against Israel and US.
Cant people see what Israel is doing to the innocent palestinians?This is exactly what I said. If it goes your way, then it's nice, but if it doesn't, then it's not, to the point that you ommit to read a part of the information or just twist what you read.
How do you know for a fact that if the Palestinians had the upper hand they would do that to the jews?
The jews have been oppressing them for 73 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you expect them to sit and do nothing?
No! They value their land.Which people that are not Muslims are called terrorists?
Its only the Afghanis, Hamas, Syrians etc
- I also pointed out that Israel is full of terrorists.
- "I'm pretty sure" is not "I know". This is a speculation. However, it's based on how a part of Muslims hate Jews to the bone and from what I see from their behaviour in Western Europe: Victimhood when powerless; Barbaric when powerful. Of course, I am talking about a minority of Muslims (and it's insane that I have to specify it to be understood), but a minority is way more than enough to do atrocious things.
- Like I said, I don't care about Israeli and Palestinian killing each others. This is not my fight, not my problem at all. I only pity the people who are taken inbetween those insane people.
- What is "No! they value their land" even responding to? You can very much value your land and be a terrorist.
- Any terrorists. Unfortunately, lately, most of them are... Muslims. Well, too bad, right? In France, Bretons, Basques and Corsicans almost completely stopped any terrorist acts more than 20 years ago.
In France, they often talk about far-right/ultranationalist terrorists and some people being arrested. Strangely though, when it comes to attacks, it's incomparably less than some Islamists. One of the only I can remember so far is the Christchurch terrorist attack in New Zealand and it was described as... terrorist.
In my opinion its the same like Muslims applaused after September 11th attacks.Tribalism goes its way. It's not only for Sept 11. Everytime terrorism hits, you can see some people applauding or yelling happily for killing innocent people.
I guess all the issues started after fall of Ottaman ruling after 1st world war.
https://youtu.be/tjnBmH8b0Ko?si=baiWH5iJTwH3V4ID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjnBmH8b0Ko
I guess all the issues started after fall of Ottaman ruling after 1st world war.👍https://youtu.be/tjnBmH8b0Ko?si=baiWH5iJTwH3V4ID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjnBmH8b0Ko
I guess all the issues started after fall of Ottaman ruling after 1st world war.Yes and no. For a better understanding the issues, MANDATES PALESTINE REPORT of the PALESTINE ROYAL COMMISSION aka PEEL REPORT presented in 1937, should be read.https://youtu.be/tjnBmH8b0Ko?si=baiWH5iJTwH3V4ID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjnBmH8b0Ko
"In order to obtain Arab support in the War, the British Government promised the Sharif of Mecca in 1915 that, in the event of an Allied victory, the greater part of the Arab provinces of the Turkish Empire would become independent. The Arabs understood that Palestine would be included in the sphere of independence."
"In order to obtain the support of World Jewry, the British Government in 1917 issued the Balfour Declaration. The Jews understood that, if the experiment of establishing a Jewish National Home succeeded and a sufficient number of Jews went to Palestine, the National Home might develop in course of time into a Jewish State."
First issue caused by words given to two different ethnic groups on the very same land.
"These hopes proved unfounded because, although Palestine as a whole became more prosperous, the causes of the outbreaks of 1920 and 1921, namely, the demand of the Arabs for national independence and their antagonism to the National Home, remained unmodified and were indeed accentuated by the "external factors," namely, the pressure of the Jews of Europe on Palestine and the development of Arab nationalism in neighbouring countries.
These same causes brought about the outbreaks of 1929 and 1933. By 1936 the external factors had been intensified by--
(1) the sufferings of the Jews in Germany and Poland, resulting in a great increase of Jewish immigration into Palestine; and
(2) the prospect of Syria and the Lebanon soon obtaining the same independence as Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Egypt was also on the eve of independence."
Mandate administration couldn't estimate and handle "external factors."
"Up till now the Arab cultivator has benefited on the whole both from the work of the British Administration and the presence of Jews in the country, but the greatest care must now be exercised to see that in the event of further sales of land by Arabs to Jews the rights of any Arab tenants or cultivators are preserved. Thus, alienation of land should only be allowed where it is possible to replace extensive by intensive cultivation. In the hill districts there can be no expectation of finding accommodation for any large increase in the rural population. At present, and for many years to come, the Mandatory Power should not attempt to facilitate the close settlement of the Jews in the hill districts generally.
The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought."
Crucial point. Arabs were selling their lands to Jews, and this action was mainly funded by Jewish National Fund. In the 1930s, most of the land was bought from landowners. Of the land that the Jews bought, 52.6% were bought from non-Palestinian landowners, 24.6% from Palestinian landowners, 13.4% from government, churches, and foreign companies, and only 9.4% from fellaheen (farmers). On 31 December 1944, out of 1,732.63 dunums of land owned in Palestine by large Jewish Corporations and private owners, about 44% was in possession of Jewish National Fund.
"The problem of immigration has been aggravated by three factors:-- (1) the drastic restrictions imposed on immigration in the United States, (2) the advent of the National Socialist Government in Germany, and (3) the increasing economic pressure on the Jews in Poland.
Restrictions on Jewish immigration will not solve the Palestine problem. The National Home seems already too big to the Arabs and, whatever its size, it bars the to their attainment of national independence."
Yet another great mistake.
"An irrepressible conflict has arisen between two national communities within the narrow bounds of one small country. There is no common ground between them. Their national aspirations are incompatible. The Arabs desire to revive the traditions of the Arab golden age. The Jews desire to show what they can achieve when restored to the land in which the Jewish nation was born. Neither of the two national ideals permits of combination in the service of a single State.
The problem cannot be solved by giving either the Arabs or the Jews all they want. The answer to the question which of them in the end will govern Palestine must be Neither. No fair-minded statesman can think it right either that 400,000 Jews, whose entry into Palestine has been facilitated by he British Government and approved by the League of Nations, should be handed over to Arab rule, or that, if the Jews should become a majority, a million Arabs should be handed over to their rule. But while neither race can fairly rule all Palestine, each race might justly rule part of it."
"The advantages to the Arabs of Partition on the lines we have proposed may be summarized as follows:--
(i) They obtain their national independence and can co-operate on an equal footing with the Arabs of the neighbouring countries in the cause of Arab unity and progress.
(ii) They are finally delivered from the fear of being swamped by the Jews, and from the possibility of ultimate subjection to Jewish rule.
(iii) In particular, the final limitation of the Jewish National Home within a fixed frontier and the enactment of a new Mandate for the protection of the Holy Places, solemnly guaranteed by the League of Nations, removes all anxiety lest the Holy Places should ever come under Jewish control.
(iv) As a set-off to the loss of territory the Arabs regard as theirs, the Arab State will receive a subvention from the Jewish State. It will also, in view of the backwardness of Trans-Jordan, obtain a grant of £2,000,000 from the British Treasury; and, if an agreement can be reached as to the exchange of land and population, a further grant will be made for the conversion, as far as may prove possible, of uncultivable land in the Arab State into productive land from which the cultivators and the State alike will profit."
"The advantages of Partition to the Jews may be summarized as follows:--
(i) Partition secures the establishment of the Jewish National Home and relieves it from the possibility of its being subjected in the future to Arab rule.
(ii) Partition enables the Jews in the fullest sense to call their National Home their own; for it converts it into a Jewish State. Its citizens will be able to admit as many Jews into it as they themselves believe can be absorbed. They will attain the primary objective of Zionism--a Jewish nation, planted in Palestine, giving its nationals the same status in the world as other nations give theirs. They will cease at last to live a minority life."
As we see they didn't consider that two partitions might conflict and invade each other at all. It was a dead born solution. It was foolishly optimistic to state that "Partition offers a possibility of finding a way through them, a possibility of obtaining a final solution of the problem which does justice to the rights and aspirations of both the Arabs and the Jews and discharges the obligations undertaken towards them twenty years ago to the fullest extent that is practicable in the circumstances of the present time."
In brief, Palestine issue is a huge tumulus of past mistakes. Pretty long story on a bloody ground.