What do think about Israeli-palestinian war Politics and governments

As far as I know the State of Israel what does not represents the all of the jewish people at all, is a genocidal state. It does not means Hamas have not done something bad, they did. But we can not ignore the fact since Israel was created as a state they are violating palestinians rights and treating them as if they were not human beings, everybody knows how people in Gaza lives since them. Concurrently, Gaza strip is one concentration camp where people in general are being murdered with no restrctions if they are kids, woman or in hospitals, if they are from UN, MSF or reporters... Israel is just trying to destroy the palestinians and take their territory as they always wanted - in a nutshell, the sionist advance.

I hope people from Gaza, the whole Palestine state at all can live in their territory in peace and also Israel. But I really wish both people can live respecting each other, we do not need more wars or innocent people dying in the name of a few "leaders" (if we can named them that way) with some power and their allies.

About Israeli/Palestinian conflict somebody said: "They are all wrong".
I agree, and not for the parts in conflict only, but for the co-actors too: Usa, Uk, Emirates, Iran, Libano, Western and Arab public opinions, and UN also. Each side has a fraction of guilt, and no one has right anymore, at this point.

Yes war is stupid but it’s a human activity for thousands of years.
Ending the war means that each of the belligerents must renounce at their first goals and make concession in each camp. In this case Israelis must return certain territories and the Palestinians agree not to recover all the territory. I don’t see in each side such will. The Israelis hope to extend their country and the Palestinians want to destroy Israel. So no hope, I don’t think one of the two option is possible for the moment and this war can continue during centuries. Israel will certainly win this actual fight but certainly not the peace for the future years.

Yes war is stupid but it’s a human activity for thousands of years.
Ending the war means that each of the belligerents must renounce at their first goals and make concession in each camp. In this case Israelis must return certain territories and the Palestinians agree not to recover all the territory. I don’t see in each side such will. The Israelis hope to extend their country and the Palestinians want to destroy Israel. So no hope, I don’t think one of the two option is possible for the moment and this war can continue during centuries. Israel will certainly win this actual fight but certainly not the peace for the future years.

I do agree with your statement. Once quoth Golda Meir: " When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." Deep and chilling words blessed by naked truth.

Do we really have to choose between plague and cholera? Both look like pure cancers to me, and the only thing I think is that people get way too involved in this matter.

I've seen people who are not Palestinians get happy about the death of some israelis, civilians. How sane are the ability to think of those people to get happy when people that do nothing to them or their people (please, you are Algerians, French, English, you stand with Palestinians, but you will never be one) die horridly? How illogical must one be to get happy of such an event when it means very obviously that the retaliation will be extreme and make the people you "support" or "stand with" die even more and in horribleways as well?

How sane is it to stand with a country like Israel as well, which government is an extremist and imperialist government that want to fucks up Palestinians? How is it sane to support them when you are not jewish or zionist yourself, hence not concernend to get happy when a bunch of hobos are getting slaughtered like cattle?
conspirationnist take: How can one believe that one of the most powerful intel in the world couldn't predict the attack of a few people with sticks and stones?

People are not even part of these ethnicities and go so wild! they are getting so zealous that they fail to see that, in Europe, this will bring a new bunch of crap : New migrant excuse, new wave of terrorism, new bunch of liberticid laws, new bunch of excuses to rise the prices of any crap, new excuses to hide what is touching us on a daily life etc.
We will deserve everything that happens to us with such a mentality.

Yep. That is sad. I often see, whenever someone stays in neutral position to this conflict, or points out crimes of both sides, he is attacked by haters/fans of each side.

Like: "There is nothing between!!!! If Your are not with us, you are with them, AAA!!!".

I totally agree

Historically Israel has owned their land for centuries since antiquity. It think it’s borderline antisemitic to judge the people of Israel versus their government. I believe that in conflicts such as this, with so much violence, no side is right.

When you know the both sides situation, you'll be surely confused of what was actually happened. Especially for the country which has no related history between those two countries. Because both sides are claiming that their side is the rightest.

Well, the conflict didn't start only on October, 7th 2023. When I was in high school too (around 2014), I used to see this kind of things too. Even years back then. But I admit that yesterday event is the worst so far, as long as I noticed. Turn out, this conflict beginning 75 years ago, especially when the state of Israel declare its independency.

I will not talking much about which part is right or wrong and who should be condemned. But, I suggest to learn the both sides of history where this all started, I'll give you a hint: during the era of Ottoman Caliphate falling down and nearly WW1. Also analyze the data about where the most damages happened in number, which sides are who are suffering loss in many ways, which sides having the highest number of death, which sides killing the most, and etc. Starting by this, then you can start to figure out why they did so.

About Israeli/Palestinian conflict somebody said: "They are all wrong".
I agree, and not for the parts in conflict only, but for the co-actors too: Usa, Uk, Emirates, Iran, Libano, Western and Arab public opinions, and UN also. Each side has a fraction of guilt, and no one has right anymore, at this point.

How can you say and agree that they are all wrong? Imagine, you have a house and someone comes to your house asking for shelter. You kindly gave them a room in your house. A few years go by and the guy says "this is my house" and kicks you out. Will you go out quietly? Isn't it? Because it is your house and you sheltered him, but now he kicked you out. Will you fight for justice then or not? It has happened there. Look at the world map before 1946 there was no country called Israel. Just Palestine. At that time the Palestinians gave them refuge and now the Israelis are asking for the whole land. It's not fair, and that's why Palestinians are fighting for justice. Do you think that's bad?

You are very mature, so when you talk or give advice, think a little sister. Don't listen to other people's stories, do research and talk.

I saw someone use the suffix "Muslim terrorist". what is this? Don't use offensive words here. Since there are a lot of kids here, at least teach them good things. It's okay if someone says something wrong, just don't badmouth any community without doing proper research.

This is my opinion, don't get me wrong

About Israeli/Palestinian conflict somebody said: "They are all wrong".
I agree, and not for the parts in conflict only, but for the co-actors too: Usa, Uk, Emirates, Iran, Libano, Western and Arab public opinions, and UN also. Each side has a fraction of guilt, and no one has right anymore, at this point.

How can you say and agree that they are all wrong? Imagine, you have a house and someone comes to your house asking for shelter. You kindly gave them a room in your house. A few years go by and the guy says "this is my house" and kicks you out. Will you go out quietly? Isn't it? Because it is your house and you sheltered him, but now he kicked you out. Will you fight for justice then or not? It has happened there. Look at the world map before 1946 there was no country called Israel. Just Palestine. At that time the Palestinians gave them refuge and now the Israelis are asking for the whole land. It's not fair, and that's why Palestinians are fighting for justice. Do you think that's bad?

You are very mature, so when you talk or give advice, think a little sister. Don't listen to other people's stories, do research and talk.

I saw someone use the suffix "Muslim terrorist". what is this? Don't use offensive words here. Since there are a lot of kids here, at least teach them good things. It's okay if someone says something wrong, just don't badmouth any community without doing proper research.

This is my opinion, don't get me wrong

I’d just like to clarify that there’s archaeological and historical evidence of Hebrews living in that area for many year, not to say that this justifies kicking out current residents who move in during your exile/absence.
I also agree that we should never use the terminology terrorists to describe an entire people group, blanket statements hurt everyone.

About Israeli/Palestinian conflict somebody said: "They are all wrong".
I agree, and not for the parts in conflict only, but for the co-actors too: Usa, Uk, Emirates, Iran, Libano, Western and Arab public opinions, and UN also. Each side has a fraction of guilt, and no one has right anymore, at this point.

How can you say and agree that they are all wrong? Imagine, you have a house and someone comes to your house asking for shelter. You kindly gave them a room in your house. A few years go by and the guy says "this is my house" and kicks you out. Will you go out quietly? Isn't it? Because it is your house and you sheltered him, but now he kicked you out. Will you fight for justice then or not? It has happened there. Look at the world map before 1946 there was no country called Israel. Just Palestine. At that time the Palestinians gave them refuge and now the Israelis are asking for the whole land. It's not fair, and that's why Palestinians are fighting for justice. Do you think that's bad?

You are very mature, so when you talk or give advice, think a little sister. Don't listen to other people's stories, do research and talk.

I saw someone use the suffix "Muslim terrorist". what is this? Don't use offensive words here. Since there are a lot of kids here, at least teach them good things. It's okay if someone says something wrong, just don't badmouth any community without doing proper research.

This is my opinion, don't get me wrong

I’d just like to clarify that there’s archaeological and historical evidence of Hebrews living in that area for many year, not to say that this justifies kicking out current residents who move in during your exile/absence.
I also agree that we should never use the terminology terrorists to describe an entire people group, blanket statements hurt everyone.

Yes bro there is historical proof so the Hebrews have been living for many years. And on the other hand bro, there is proof for the Palatines as well.
If we look at history, the land of Palestine originally belonged to the current Palestinian people, not Israel. Now they ask for the whole land.
How will they give their land?

The problem is people listening and coming to a conclusion. I say to everyone, do your own research. Then you will know what the truth is.

I think that, for a territorial dispute, people are currently judging people groups vs government. If Israel owns land, preferably the Palestinians may dwell there also, if the system works correctly then it shouldn’t be a problem what flag flies overhead. But we are indeed human, and no system can work perfectly and humans are capable of atrocities, especially in retaliation. My main focus is that we make sure we don’t let hate groups gain a foothold in this conflict, history hasn’t been kind to many ethnic groups and I’d hate to see people developing or rekindling the ethic hate/genocides of the past. As this conflict interacts with my personal life, I’d say it leaves Jewish Americans in a potentially toxic environment from what I’ve seen. One college campus near me is majority Jewish student body, and it seems people are blaming them for what their ethnically identified nation is doing, despite most people playing a passive role in any given conflict. I pray, don’t judge groups of people but those in charge should be held accountable first. Who is allowing these excessive, crude and cruel air strikes on Palestine? Who originated the conflict by provoking Israel?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2023/12/06/hate-groups-israel-hamas-antisemitism/71799306007/

All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers. ——Francois Fenelon

https://the-spark.net/2024-01-21.html

I think that, for a territorial dispute, people are currently judging people groups vs government. If Israel owns land, preferably the Palestinians may dwell there also, if the system works correctly then it shouldn’t be a problem what flag flies overhead. But we are indeed human, and no system can work perfectly and humans are capable of atrocities, especially in retaliation. My main focus is that we make sure we don’t let hate groups gain a foothold in this conflict, history hasn’t been kind to many ethnic groups and I’d hate to see people developing or rekindling the ethic hate/genocides of the past. As this conflict interacts with my personal life, I’d say it leaves Jewish Americans in a potentially toxic environment from what I’ve seen. One college campus near me is majority Jewish student body, and it seems people are blaming them for what their ethnically identified nation is doing, despite most people playing a passive role in any given conflict. I pray, don’t judge groups of people but those in charge should be held accountable first. Who is allowing these excessive, crude and cruel air strikes on Palestine? Who originated the conflict by provoking Israel?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2023/12/06/hate-groups-israel-hamas-antisemitism/71799306007/

exactly bro . those in charge must be held accountable first. I think someone is behind this disaster. Everything here is politics bro. No matter what they do one day the truth will come out. God will treat them how they treated others.

History says Jewish people have been kicked out from many countries / main cities ( around 100 ). Any reason or any research on this ?

History says Jewish people have been kicked out from many countries / main cities ( around 100 ). Any reason or any research on this ?

History says that they haven't been kicked out simply but slaughtered, massacred, burned or expelled through the ages for awkardly terrible grounds. Of course, there are many researches on this field. I think, most remarkable one is Leon Poliakov's "The History of Anti-Semitism" in 4 volumes.

Whose fault is it? Weapons, terrorism, governments? It's the fault of human stupidity that in 2024 we are still talking about wars

History says Jewish people have been kicked out from many countries / main cities ( around 100 ). Any reason or any research on this ?

History says that they haven't been kicked out simply but slaughtered, massacred, burned or expelled through the ages for awkardly terrible grounds. Of course, there are many researches on this field. I think, most remarkable one is Leon Poliakov's "The History of Anti-Semitism" in 4 volumes.

Thank you