Hi there,
I wrote to an administrator of this website. I asked him to flag or take down the fake news on the forums. However, he says that these are opinions and he will not do anything.
I really like this site. I can also live with other opinions, but it is hard to endure fake news that downplays a war. how do you see it? Do I have too high demands on such a website? Or do you think, like me, that everyone should do their part to make the world a better place?
Thank you for your opinions!
Can we sing anti-war songs?
Fake news... Who's the judge on that? “The first casualty when war comes is truth.” So don't think that what you see and hear, is the truth but all others are fakes. There are lots of disinformation from both sides. I can show you tens of fake news running on pro-Ukrainian mainstream media as well. We have a right to get news and facts by two sides. We can not ignore one of them and blindly trust the other. War is a dirty thing but when you are biased and sided, war is even a dirtier thing.
But what about the news where you definitely know it's fake news?
But what about the news where you definitely know it's fake news?I'd simply ignore them. Fake news are to catch the attention of biased people. When Zelenskiy says "12,000 Russian personnel killed since start of invasion", I simply ignore it because I know it is a part of psychological warfare.
And what about the other side? That Putin "only" speaks of denazification, even though there is a war? Didn't someone have to intervene and say: Attention, it's actually a war and 2 million people have already fled?
We can't ignore it completely. Putin uses this fact as a "casus belli" and "operational motivation". Putin's speech may sound kinda false but yet not fake. Fools such as Azov Movement give him some ground.
Formal news is FAKE, and always hides SOMETHING.
Independent news is GREY.
Social media news is REALLY CHAOTIC.
Weather News is my Favorite hhh.
@diogenes
Thank you for your mind! Okay, so you mean leave both sides as they are so everyone can make up their own minds. I can understand that and I actually like it best. But is it that simple? How are you supposed to recognize the truth at some point when there is so much fake news? And how is it supposed to be recognized by someone who only deals with politics from time to time?
I'd like to take your opinion because it would help me sleep better, but I'm not convinced yet.
Because of Germany's terrible history, I was in concentration camps a lot and also listened to lectures. For me, the most important message that came out time and again was that it is important for people to say no, even on a small scale, that they stand up, that they are not allowed to watch or look away.
I also taught my child that if someone is treated unfairly at school, you shouldn't look on, you have to stand up for that child.
Now I stand there with my knowledge and advice and have to watch helplessly as fake news downplays a war. I see these as a mother these many traumatized children who can also be mine. My heart bleeds.
Can you really just look away? Isn't everyone responsible for contradicting this fake news? After all, it's about human lives.
Well. When foreign affairs and politics are on the table, there is no universal truth. Each and every states pay regard to their own interests, and most of times these interests conflict. Then truth depends on which shoes you've on your feet. If you wear Ukrainian shoes, their country is invaded and they are dreadfully suffering and facing the bloody nature of war. If you wear Russian shoes, their country has been besieged by some Nato - we know who is the master of this puppet actually - designed neo-liberal satellite states in order to isolate the Russia and to break its sphere of influence. If you wear the shoes of People of Donbass, Ukrainian goverment was not honest with them and Ukrainian army was not kind to them either. There are lots of files for war crimes in Donbass region commited by Azov Batallion, Aidar Batallion since 2014. In media we see a simple word such as "seperatists" as if they popped up all of a sudden and they have no houses and families over there. As you see, all of the claims have some fair ground. But easiest way is accusing Russia with expansionism and ignoring the fact Nato is nothing but expansionism device of United States. Difficult to point out "pure evil" in this picture.
Germany's horrible history.... No, it was the horrible history of mankind. We are just wanted to focus on that part and taught that way. I can easily say it as a historian by profession. No body can deny that concentration camps were evil but yet no body can say that using atomic bomb over Hiroshima and Nagazaki was a good thing either. Or no body tells what happened to East Germans left behind in the historical lands of Prussia. No body tells about that mini-scale ethnic cleansing and revenge act. To be victorious does not legitimise our horrible acts.
Standing for the poor one is an act with honor but yet there is a huge difference between being an "idealist" and "quixotic" Therefore we always need to know finest details in the story first. Otherwise we get manipulated easily.
All in all, I don't say "just look away", I rather say "look at some exact direction". Don't watch the "stage" but "the back stage". In short term Ukraine will be suffering. In long term, Russia will be suffering. They both will lose this war. But some global "destabilizer" will win this war. I hope my words make some sense.
I am scared to say from my uneducated views what sides are right and what sides are wrong because I think it's a good idea to listen to both after I've heard propaganda from the haters of my country that the US has made mistakes in our judgement in picking wars and are not always correct in calling someone a dictator with weapons of mass destruction. The US news has been almost consistent in saying that Russia is wrong in Ukraine. I don't know much to counter that news but I know that Russia's news has been giving reasons for their war. For people who do not work for an organization, there is no discipline for them since you don't have to take what they say as accurate. When it comes to online "Bots" that write behind numerous online user names in place of real people to crowd conversations with propaganda then that sounds like an awful thing to allow. I've been recently exposed to the reality that the online groups I'm in are overrun with neutral content to dissolve the quality of real people making real connections for quick gain of viewership.
I would not want to lose my wisdom to blindly being misguided by partisan pro-war propaganda only to learn that it was a fallible decision ten years later to help a few politicians' agendas to only be called a selfish nation for it. I feel like Putin may have gotten himself blindly into biting on more than he could chew as a culmination of all Russia's anti-western hate they've fed themselves over the years for every little thing we Americans do right but are a mistake in their eyes.
@diogenes
Many thanks for your effort.
Okay, if I wore Russian shoes, maybe I would actually feel unfairly treated. I do not know that.
I can well imagine that I would feel very unfairly treated with the shoes in Donbass. I might even have hate, anger, despair.
But still, none of this justifies dead people and war.
There are always options other than war.
And fake news is something different than opinions. I think it would be important to flag fake news. You can leave them there. But as an ordinary citizen, it becomes really difficult to see the truth otherwise.
I think the eastern world can eat their socialist words in Ukraine and set themselves up as a true example of what not to be to the whole world. China and those who hate democracy are in line next with Russia to step out of line and reap the economic consequences for showing disunity if they start an invasion of their own now after they've just united the world as a free-living one and still buys their goods.
I think the eastern world can eat their socialist words in Ukraine and set themselves up as a true example of what not to be to the whole world. China and those who hate democracy are in line next with Russia to step out of line and reap the economic consequences for showing disunity if they start an invasion of their own now after they've just united the world as a free-living one and still buys their goods.Hello, sir. Chinese people don't hate democracy. The Chinese people have their own way of democracy, which is just different from the United States. You can pay attention to our two sessions, and each representative can express his own opinions. It is not only the referendum that calls democracy. We do not have racial discrimination like the United States. Our COVID-19 also controls well. Respect for the life of the people is the best democracy. Without knowing the specific situation of other countries, judging other countries only by their own news is an undemocratic behavior. Democracy is not Coca Cola. It has only one flavor. It should also have the flavor of Pepsi, Fanta and so on.
I think the eastern world can eat their socialist words in Ukraine and set themselves up as a true example of what not to be to the whole world. China and those who hate democracy are in line next with Russia to step out of line and reap the economic consequences for showing disunity if they start an invasion of their own now after they've just united the world as a free-living one and still buys their goods.Hello, sir. Chinese people don't hate democracy. The Chinese people have their own way of democracy, which is just different from the United States. You can pay attention to our two sessions, and each representative can express his own opinions. It is not only the referendum that calls democracy. We do not have racial discrimination like the United States. Our COVID-19 also controls well. Respect for the life of the people is the best democracy. Without knowing the specific situation of other countries, judging other countries only by their own news is an undemocratic behavior. Democracy is not Coca Cola. It has only one flavor. It should also have the flavor of Pepsi, Fanta and so on.
@GoldenJD, a simple question for you, and I would be keen to hear your honest opinion on that!
What would happen if you would publicly, for example on some social media, express an opinion that is fundamentally in contrast to the opinion of the communist party? Let's say you would publicly express sympathies for Uighurs and accuse the government of oppressing them? What would be the consequences?
I am not asking whether this opinion is your own or seems rational to you. Or whether you like this opinion or not. Just the hypothetical situation that you state such an opinion publicly.
The problem is the Chinese who think us Americans are at fault and always trying to demote our status in the world to call us out on the democratic principals of freeing the oppressed. Chinese who think they know better that the American citizens to correct them are too common now on the reality on the internet of online trolls or Bots who spread false information to devide our allies against us in the hopes that their politics rise in the world. I've been disgusted by the bullies who devalue our purpose in the world. I have Chinese friends and a few only have mentioned they don't agree with their country's politics and government.
Apparently my opinion is not valued as much, but at least it does not stir much controversy either so some are not even worth worrying about. No one deserves to have their voice silenced in this world like some older citizens who are focused in their old views because they only want to be a moral guide to the younger generations but we should listen with a grain of salt. No one owes us anything in this world and a self-made person earns his voice and fight his own bullies. The world owes us nothing guaranteed to sound right in forums but an expectation to have manners of a common vibe.
