May be Islam is a wonderfull religion but I'm obliged to note that actually the more violent movements of terrorism or ideas the more obscurantist found their roots in the Holy Koran. It's a strange contradition.
Like any religion, Islam’s holy book can be misinterpreted for horrible actions, but that is not it’s purpose; we have seen racism take place because of how people misinterpreted the Bible. In the Quraan, terrorism has been forbidden; our prophet has also said that extremism is frowned upon.
Yes we have seen, in the past, racism because of the Bible, as we've seen racism because of Quran... (Slavery was not a unique "white crime" as some leftists trust... Slavery in Islamic world started way earlier than USA and still existing in some regions...)
The difference is that where Christianity world is trying to be more peaceful (I said TRYING not succeeding) , we tend to think the opposite with Quran...
And yes, of course, in the hamper of Islam, not all the apples are rotted... But in our times, all the rotted apples tend to come from the hamper of Islam...
And also, you can see the difference in development between Islamic and "Modern" World ...
All the developed Islamic regions were built by Western people because of oil (or other natural resource), while regions without oil were left aside (like Pakistan/Afghanistan located in/next to the British Empire, you could imagine than if any interesting natural element was found, the region would be more like Emirates than the current s*** )
And also, you can see the difference in development between Islamic and "Modern" World ...
All the developed Islamic regions were built by Western people because of oil (or other natural resource), while regions without oil were left aside (like Pakistan/Afghanistan located in/next to the British Empire, you could imagine than if any interesting natural element was found, the region would be more like Emirates than the current s*** )
PS: "TACTICAL LEFTIST IN COMING !!!"
OKay, i don't think that you checked history, where we find 'the dark ages' in europe, the muslim empire was in her golden ages and it was a period of cultural, economic, and scientific flourishing in the history of Islam and they developed lot of diffrent concepts as literature, philosophy , mathematics ..ect they made lot of inventions and exprementation which helped the world to be as it is now by translating all these science into other languages to benefit all the world . by the way there is a british movie about the golden age and so many books to learn about that. and you cannot interpret the coran easily you need to go deep into it and understand the real meanings .
I have a lot of muslim friends and I'm really interested in different religions. I think that in todays world muslim people are often discriminated, for there are different extremistic parts of the Islam, which are very difficult and aggressive. But I think that most muslims are very nice and intelligent. Anyway I think that I would like to learn more about it. 😉
And also, you can see the difference in development between Islamic and "Modern" World ...
All the developed Islamic regions were built by Western people because of oil (or other natural resource), while regions without oil were left aside (like Pakistan/Afghanistan located in/next to the British Empire, you could imagine than if any interesting natural element was found, the region would be more like Emirates than the current s*** )
PS: "TACTICAL LEFTIST IN COMING !!!"
OKay, i don't think that you checked history, where we find 'the dark ages' in europe, the muslim empire was in her golden ages and it was a period of cultural, economic, and scientific flourishing in the history of Islam and they developed lot of diffrent concepts as literature, philosophy , mathematics ..ect they made lot of inventions and exprementation which helped the world to be as it is now by translating all these science into other languages to benefit all the world . by the way there is a british movie about the golden age and so many books to learn about that. and you cannot interpret the coran easily you need to go deep into it and understand the real meanings .
May be the Muslim world had a golden age between the eighth and the eleven century but what invention or scientific discovery of the modern world was made by a Muslim mind? Electronic? Relativity? Evolution law? Motor? Television? Telephone? Computer? Genetic? Travel to the Moon? They never evolved since a long time... Human rights or democracy also are certainly not a Muslim invention. Of course the majority of Muslim are very nice people. But this religion seems to be a real handicap for those who want to have an open-mind.
And also, you can see the difference in development between Islamic and "Modern" World ...
All the developed Islamic regions were built by Western people because of oil (or other natural resource), while regions without oil were left aside (like Pakistan/Afghanistan located in/next to the British Empire, you could imagine than if any interesting natural element was found, the region would be more like Emirates than the current s*** )
PS: "TACTICAL LEFTIST IN COMING !!!"
OKay, i don't think that you checked history, where we find 'the dark ages' in europe, the muslim empire was in her golden ages and it was a period of cultural, economic, and scientific flourishing in the history of Islam and they developed lot of diffrent concepts as literature, philosophy , mathematics ..ect they made lot of inventions and exprementation which helped the world to be as it is now by translating all these science into other languages to benefit all the world . by the way there is a british movie about the golden age and so many books to learn about that. and you cannot interpret the coran easily you need to go deep into it and understand the real meanings .
May be the Muslim world had a golden age between the eighth and the eleven century but what invention or scientific discovery of the modern world was made by a Muslim mind? Electronic? Relativity? Evolution law? Motor? Television? Telephone? Computer? Genetic? Travel to the Moon? They never evolved since a long time... Human rights or democracy also are certainly not a Muslim invention. Of course the majority of Muslim are very nice people. But this religion seems to be a real handicap for those who want to have an open-mind.
I only said that the Islamic religion seems to be a handicap for having an open mind. It’s amazing to see that since thousand years there is practically no Muslim scientist who discovered or invented something.
The article you showed me is not very clear about human right and Islam. As it’s said : It depends of what Islam. Some countries as Saudi Arabia or Pakistan are quoted for their law very brutal and intolerant based on the Coran. In fact the article speaks about some improvements remain to be accomplished for the Muslim to be more tolerant.
,I’m skeptic concerning this religion agree with human rights. I don’t know very well Islam but the few that I red from the Coran make me fear. For example the contempt for the unbeliever is clearly written, the threat of horrible punishment also and slaving is perfectly admitted in this book, it’s not very in accord with human rights.
I only said that the Islamic religion seems to be a handicap for having an open mind. It’s amazing to see that since thousand years there is practically no Muslim scientist who discovered or invented something.
The article you showed me is not very clear about human right and Islam. As it’s said : It depends of what Islam. Some countries as Saudi Arabia or Pakistan are quoted for their law very brutal and intolerant based on the Coran. In fact the article speaks about some improvements remain to be accomplished for the Muslim to be more tolerant.
,I’m skeptic concerning this religion agree with human rights. I don’t know very well Islam but the few that I red from the Coran make me fear. For example the contempt for the unbeliever is clearly written, the threat of horrible punishment also and slaving is perfectly admitted in this book, it’s not very in accord with human rights.
slavery was common in pre-islamic times and were accepted and after the Islam come ..it moderated slavery "since we cannot stop it directly and it needs time" it limited the opportunities to enslave people ..commended of slaves and made laws for how to treat slaves . There are stories in the qoraan and lot of things not just commands so maybe the verse you red wasn't like you understand it . Ps: You cannot take a religion from what its believers are doing ..we are humans and we make mistakes ...and if you studied the quran you will understand but not stopping at one verse .. i cannot explain everything here .
It's the occidental countries who made stopping slavery in Muslim countries. Muslims by themselves would never stop this horror.
I must not take a religion from what are their believer? It seems to me that there is a relationship between the two. May be I must not also take Islam from the Muslim History or from what is written in the Koran?
Some verses are unacceptable and some Muslims use them to do the worst. Allah is very oblivious to having made such verses written.
Okay I will try to leave the politics out. Just one comment: We should also look and the REAL islamic countries. And a religion that allows abuse from patriarchatic men in the name of religion is NOT a good religion: otherwise said: Not a well considered idea! In Saudi Arabia woman have no woman rights but this is not only a modern problem. They have nearly no rights at all. Everything is decided by men. What they buy, where they go. Without a man in the family, when everybody dies, women are enclosed in severe living homes for lonely women!!! Okay stop politics now. But really people stop thinking some sort of peace is a good enough idea! I want to be more open minded. Than the next thing: I truly believe that the Quran offers rights for women but usually men do not folllow. Often we hear of that the first woman ist NOT asked if she allows a second wife. And among christians such question even only, could lead to divorce! Because woman in christianity have more dignity and experience of true love. Surely among muslims also exist men who really love and beautiful believing people. But the political islam is dangerous. That is my opinion. I agree with that it is an important way to believe and God but this is not good enough for me.
Most Muslim people practice traditions and this has no relation to Islam
Islam is a wise logic religion it came to protect people from committing things and then there will be alot of consequences
But humans never stops and they commit mistakes but the door to repent is always there..love is religion and religion is love
Love to yourself as you love to others
Don't keep an atom of hate in ur heart
God knows what you hide and what you say
What I like about these forums is that people are usually very tolerant and friendly, since they travel a lot and like to get to know other cultures. You cannot travel without an open mind, with a predisposition to learn new things and eliminate prejudices obtained by television, radio and the media. Sometimes talking to people of another religion or culture opens your mind and makes you a better person.
We're are all lost on this planet, no one came out of the womb with a map yet.
To each their belief and bidirectional respect should do wonders (in theory currently better than in practice, but the world is still turning, we have time).
