What will the new Pope called Leone XIV do ?

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No non penso proprio che un giorno debba esserci una donna a fare il Papa

Thanks for writing back @lucasar92!! Why do you think that a woman should not be the pope? I think perhaps it can be a good way to show that everybody is equal and that the catholic church also thinks that. But maybe there is a rule that says that women cant be a pope. But if that is the case maybe they want to change it in the future.


And I have another question: do you think that all Christians should be allowed to vote who becomes the pope and not the persons in the Vatican? Like in the same way that they have elections for a president but now for the pope? That was my last question!!! Molto grazie!! 🙂

I'm not from Italy or know much about the pope's position but in the bible it says that the male is the the preaches, and leads. God/Christ->To priest >husband >to wife> over the children.


That is what I have learned from reading and going to church. I'm also not catholic.

Thank you very much @Dreamfern!! I did not read the bible yet but we only get some things for example in history class or our society class. But if it says in the bible i think that they will not change the rules. 🙄🙄

The catholic church (and the Pope probably, too) grade Europe as a lost continent while South America and Africa is growing

So If we Europeans still believe we can reform the church like we think it should be .. good night Europe.

The most countries dont want European moral anymore anyways. Same with catholic church.


Non potrà mai essere donna perchè è una regola canonica basata su una tradizione sacra, secondo l’insegnamento ufficiale della Chiesa, Gesù scelse solo uomini come apostoli, e la Chiesa continua questa tradizione.

La Chiesa considera il Papa come successore dell'apostolo Pietro che era una guida spirituale più che politico, e quindi pensa che la scelta debba avvenire in modo religioso, non popolare. Per questo il Papa è scelto dal Conclave che è composto da un gruppo di Cardinali.

La tua proposta che tutti i cristiani possano votare il Papa o che tutti i 700 abitanti della nazioni della Città del Vaticano possano votare il Papa non si fa semplicemente perchè la stessa costituzione della Città del Vaticano prevede che i suoi 700 cittadini non possano votare, è los tesso concetto per cui voi nei Paesi Bassi non eleggete il vostro nuovo re. Il Papa è il monarca della sua nazione (Città del Vaticano) così come Willem Alexander è il monarca della sua nazione (Paesi Bassi) 🙂


And I have another question: do you think that all Christians should be allowed to vote who becomes the pope and not the persons in the Vatican? Like in the same way that they have elections for a president but now for the pope? That was my last question!!! Molto grazie!! 🙂

Wow i translated what you wrote with google and i write it here bc it is super clear to understand the rules. I didnt know why it can only be a man and why the Pope is chosen secretly. But what you wrote and also @Dreamfern is very clear!!! And i think if it is a rule of the church and also a sacred tradition what you said, then i think everybody should respect it.


Tre mille grazie @lucasar92!! 😊😊


Lucasar's text in English with Google Translate:


It can never be a woman because it is a canonical rule based on a sacred tradition, according to the official teaching of the Church, Jesus chose only men as apostles, and the Church continues this tradition.


The Church considers the Pope as the successor of the apostle Peter who was a spiritual guide rather than a political one, and therefore thinks that the choice must be made in a religious way, not a popular one. For this reason the Pope is chosen by the Conclave which is composed of a group of Cardinals.


Your proposal that all Christians can vote for the Pope or that all 700 inhabitants of the nation of the Vatican City can vote for the Pope is not done simply because the same constitution of the Vatican City provides that its 700 citizens cannot vote, it is the same concept for which you in the Netherlands do not elect your new king. The Pope is the monarch of his nation (Vatican City) just as Willem Alexander is the monarch of his nation (Netherlands) 🙂

Thanks for writing back @lucasar92!! Why do you think that a woman should not be the pope? I think perhaps it can be a good way to show that everybody is equal and that the catholic church also thinks that. But maybe there is a rule that says that women cant be a pope. But if that is the case maybe they want to change it in the future.


And I have another question: do you think that all Christians should be allowed to vote who becomes the pope and not the persons in the Vatican? Like in the same way that they have elections for a president but now for the pope? That was my last question!!! Molto grazie!! 🙂

You can find the clear answer in apostolic letter of John Paul II on "RESERVING PRIESTLY ORDINATION TO MEN ALONE".

"Venerable Brothers in the Episcopate,

1. Priestly ordination, which hands on the office entrusted by Christ to his Apostles of teaching, sanctifying and governing the faithful, has in the Catholic Church from the beginning always been reserved to men alone. This tradition has also been faithfully maintained by the Oriental Churches.

When the question of the ordination of women arose in the Anglican Communion, Pope Paul VI, out of fidelity to his office of safeguarding the Apostolic Tradition, and also with a view to removing a new obstacle placed in the way of Christian unity, reminded Anglicans of the position of the Catholic Church: "She holds that it is not admissible to ordain women to the priesthood, for very fundamental reasons. These reasons include: the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing his Apostles only from among men; the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men; and her living teaching authority which has consistently held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God's plan for his Church."(1)

But since the question had also become the subject of debate among theologians and in certain Catholic circles, Paul VI directed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to set forth and expound the teaching of the Church on this matter. This was done through the Declaration Inter Insigniores, which the Supreme Pontiff approved and ordered to be published.(2)

2. The Declaration recalls and explains the fundamental reasons for this teaching, reasons expounded by Paul VI, and concludes that the Church "does not consider herself authorized to admit women to priestly ordination."(3) To these fundamental reasons the document adds other theological reasons which illustrate the appropriateness of the divine provision, and it also shows clearly that Christ's way of acting did not proceed from sociological or cultural motives peculiar to his time. As Paul VI later explained: "The real reason is that, in giving the Church her fundamental constitution, her theological anthropology-thereafter always followed by the Church's Tradition- Christ established things in this way."(4)

In the Apostolic Letter Mulieris Dignitatem, I myself wrote in this regard: "In calling only men as his Apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner. In doing so, he exercised the same freedom with which, in all his behavior, he emphasized the dignity and the vocation of women, without conforming to the prevailing customs and to the traditions sanctioned by the legislation of the time."(5)

In fact the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles attest that this call was made in accordance with God's eternal plan; Christ chose those whom he willed (cf. Mk 3:13-14; Jn 6:70), and he did so in union with the Father, "through the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:2), after having spent the night in prayer (cf. Lk 6:12). Therefore, in granting admission to the ministerial priesthood,(6) the Church has always acknowledged as a perennial norm her Lord's way of acting in choosing the twelve men whom he made the foundation of his Church (cf. Rv 21:14). These men did not in fact receive only a function which could thereafter be exercised by any member of the Church; rather they were specifically and intimately associated in the mission of the Incarnate Word himself (cf. Mt 10:1, 7-8; 28:16-20; Mk 3:13-16; 16:14-15). The Apostles did the same when they chose fellow workers(7) who would succeed them in their ministry.(8) Also included in this choice were those who, throughout the time of the Church, would carry on the Apostles' mission of representing Christ the Lord and Redeemer.(9)

3. Furthermore, the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and Mother of the Church, received neither the mission proper to the Apostles nor the ministerial priesthood clearly shows that the non-admission of women to priestly ordination cannot mean that women are of lesser dignity, nor can it be construed as discrimination against them. Rather, it is to be seen as the faithful observance of a plan to be ascribed to the wisdom of the Lord of the universe.

The presence and the role of women in the life and mission of the Church, although not linked to the ministerial priesthood, remain absolutely necessary and irreplaceable. As the Declaration Inter Insigniores points out, "the Church desires that Christian women should become fully aware of the greatness of their mission: today their role is of capital importance both for the renewal and humanization of society and for the rediscovery by believers of the true face of the Church."(10)

The New Testament and the whole history of the Church give ample evidence of the presence in the Church of women, true disciples, witnesses to Christ in the family and in society, as well as in total consecration to the service of God and of the Gospel. "By defending the dignity of women and their vocation, the Church has shown honor and gratitude for those women who-faithful to the Gospel-have shared in every age in the apostolic mission of the whole People of God. They are the holy martyrs, virgins and mothers of families, who bravely bore witness to their faith and passed on the Church's faith and tradition by bringing up their children in the spirit of the Gospel."(11)

Moreover, it is to the holiness of the faithful that the hierarchical structure of the Church is totally ordered. For this reason, the Declaration Inter Insigniores recalls: "the only better gift, which can and must be desired, is love (cf. 1 Cor 12 and 13). The greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven are not the ministers but the saints."(12)

4. Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church's judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.

Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.

Invoking an abundance of divine assistance upon you, venerable brothers, and upon all the faithful, I impart my apostolic blessing.

From the Vatican, on May 22, the Solemnity of Pentecost, in the year 1994, the sixteenth of my Pontificate."


Thank you very much @diogenes_cask!!! I really am super thankful that you and @lucasar92 and @Dreamfern took time to explain everything!! I am afraid that maybe this forum gets lost after some time so i made this forum: https://penpal-gate.net/forum/12-everyday-life-and-customs/10888-religions-explained and i added a link for here. So i hope that later people can maybe find it easier!!!!


Can I ask perhaps if you have a favourite Pope in the past and why?

Remember these bible texts are streamlined to convince people to convert to Christians in the first centure after death of Jesus.

And Always keep in mind the context to usual life during these ages.

E.g. what is interesting is, that people believed that iill people were hit by gods and so it was absolutely strange that casual people helped them.

Completely unimaginable nowadays, but with knowing this context people can understand why a figure like Jesus was so unusual and special.

Thank you very much @diogenes_cask!!! I really am super thankful that you and @lucasar92 and @Dreamfern took time to explain everything!! I am afraid that maybe this forum gets lost after some time so i made this forum: https://penpal-gate.net/forum/12-everyday-life-and-customs/10888-religions-explained and i added a link for here. So i hope that later people can maybe find it easier!!!!


Can I ask perhaps if you have a favourite Pope in the past and why?

Io in 33 anni ho visto solo 3 Papi, Giovanni Paolo II, Benedetto XVI e Francesco I

Quando c'era Giovanni Paolo II ero piccolo e non comprendevo ancora certe notizie, Benedetto XVI era molto distaccato, invece Francesco I lo preferivo per il suo stile libero e diretto nel comunicare e per la sua umiltà e semplicità, d'altronde faceva parte dell'ordine religioso fondato da Francesco d'Assisi

Io in 33 anni ho visto solo 3 Papi, Giovanni Paolo II, Benedetto XVI e Francesco I

Quando c'era Giovanni Paolo II ero piccolo e non comprendevo ancora certe notizie, Benedetto XVI era molto distaccato, invece Francesco I lo preferivo per il suo stile libero e diretto nel comunicare e per la sua umiltà e semplicità, d'altronde faceva parte dell'ordine religioso fondato da Francesco d'Assisi

Papa Francesco era un gesuita, ordine fondato da Ignazio di Loyola. Non era un francescano

Papa Francesco era un gesuita, ordine fondato da Ignazio di Loyola. Non era un francescano

Hai ragione ho sbagliato

Remember these bible texts are streamlined to convince people to convert to Christians in the first centure after death of Jesus.

And Always keep in mind the context to usual life during these ages.

E.g. what is interesting is, that people believed that iill people were hit by gods and so it was absolutely strange that casual people helped them.

Completely unimaginable nowadays, but with knowing this context people can understand why a figure like Jesus was so unusual and special.

The Bible was not written to make proselytes. The old testament is a collection of texts from the Jewish people, perhaps the new testament is more focused on the "marketing" of religion: Paul, for example, wrote letters addressed to a community of unconverted Jews.


The Popes had usually kept a low profile with Islam, of course. They just condemned integralism but it's funny, because the Catholics went all over the world killing and forcing people to join the religion.

Well, lemme be up front.... I am NOT Catholic. I don't typically have a high opinion of Popes. Generally don't have a high opinion of any religious leaders... I really liked the last pope. He wasn't perfect. But he really did make an amazing effort to bring the church into the modern era even as it kicked and screamed against such a deviation from it's previous locality in time of about 1000 years ago. He didn't bring it all the way to the modern world. But no one has ever done more towards getting it to the modern age than the last pope. I appreciate that deeply. My understanding, is this new Pope, shares many view points with the last pope... I think he too is a little bit of a modernizer. As for his position on Islam.......... No idea. But being from Chicago, a huge city full of all types and varieties of people, I find it hard to believe that he can't find the beauty that can live in Islam depending on who is practicing it of course. Because different folks interpret things differently. Including the faiths that they choose to hold. Religion, any and all of them, in the hands of the open minded and compassionate can be a powerful force for good and the betterment of society and the world. In the hands of those who are rigid and cruel, it can be a tool of great evil. I hope this pope will use it the way the last pope did, as the former rather than the latter, especially in relation to all other religions, which also hold that same promise and that same threat. Only time will tell what this pope is all about.

Guys, I am not a Christian, but I have read the bible to some extent, and I just want to say one thing, the pope is not going to do much about the Islamic nations in my opinion for its kind of out of his domain, but what is in his domain is that he should attempt to reduce discord amongst people especially when it comes to the Muslims. By experience I can surely say that 70% of the times Muslims are normal people, and they are quite nice, most of these people are some of the most hospitable people there are (no wonder the best airlines and hotels come from there). The problem is the remaining 30% radical terrorists.

If there is an Italian reading this, he/she is sure to know that recently a Pakistani Imam was deported to Pakistan from Italy after he asked local Muslims to rise up against infidels who were not Muslims (such attitudes must not be tolerated at all by any nation). Now this is where the stereotype comes in. Another cause of discrimination is the fact that nearly all major terror organizations are Muslim.

The new pope has the task to reduce such discriminatory feelings amongst people (mainly Christians), but he should also ensure that the radical Muslims are fully aware of the consequences of their actions like the American hunt for Osama-Bin-Laden and the Indian operation Sindoor.

I hope that the new pope rises up to this task.


Non potrà mai essere donna perchè è una regola canonica basata su una tradizione sacra, secondo l’insegnamento ufficiale della Chiesa, Gesù scelse solo uomini come apostoli, e la Chiesa continua questa tradizione.

La Chiesa considera il Papa come successore dell'apostolo Pietro che era una guida spirituale più che politico, e quindi pensa che la scelta debba avvenire in modo religioso, non popolare. Per questo il Papa è scelto dal Conclave che è composto da un gruppo di Cardinali.

La tua proposta che tutti i cristiani possano votare il Papa o che tutti i 700 abitanti della nazioni della Città del Vaticano possano votare il Papa non si fa semplicemente perchè la stessa costituzione della Città del Vaticano prevede che i suoi 700 cittadini non possano votare, è los tesso concetto per cui voi nei Paesi Bassi non eleggete il vostro nuovo re. Il Papa è il monarca della sua nazione (Città del Vaticano) così come Willem Alexander è il monarca della sua nazione (Paesi Bassi) 🙂

That's exactly the point. You've said so: the Pope is an absolute monarch. That is one of the problems why the Catholic Church is collapsing and nobody cares about the Pope. Monarchies are not fashionable anymore and are out of place in the modern world. The Pope is still a monarch that has lost the power he used to have in the past. Pope Francis, coming from outside of Europe, tried to revert this situation, but, apparently, Europeans did not understand him and will go on with their outdated traditions. In the modern world, monarchs are a decorative flower vase, a species in extinction.

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È proprio questo il punto. L'hai detto tu: il Papa è un monarca assoluto. Questo è uno dei problemi per cui la Chiesa cattolica sta crollando e a nessuno importa del Papa. Le monarchie non sono più di moda e sono fuori luogo nel mondo moderno. Il Papa è ancora un monarca che ha perso il potere che aveva in passato. Papa Francesco, proveniente da fuori Europa, ha cercato di invertire questa situazione, ma, a quanto pare, gli europei non lo hanno capito e continueranno con le loro tradizioni obsolete. Nel mondo moderno, i monarchi sono un vaso di fiori decorativo, una specie in estinzione.

Come se la monarchia esiste solo in Europa, vI in Asia e guarda le monarchie che ci sono lì

Come se la monarchia esiste solo in Europa, vI in Asia e guarda le monarchie che ci sono lì

We are just talking of the Western World, the Christian World, influenced by the French Revolution. Asia and Africa have little to do with that. Who would like to live under absolute monarchies in other corners of the world?

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...They just condemned integralism but it's funny, because the Catholics went all over the world killing and forcing people to join the religion....

That is correct but that was a long time ago. The islamists still do that.