How will he deal with Islamic nations ?
Apparently he was very close to pope Francis so I guess we should expect the same path
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@lucasar92 do you think that there should maybe one time also be a female pope? And @Etienne what do you think about that? Sorry if this is a wrong question but I am not Catholic and I am curious what you think. Thank you very much. 😊🙏
@lucasar92 do you think that there should maybe one time also be a female pope? And @Etienne what do you think about that? Sorry if this is a wrong question but I am not Catholic and I am curious what you think. Thank you very much. 😊🙏
No non penso proprio che un giorno debba esserci una donna a fare il Papa
No non penso proprio che un giorno debba esserci una donna a fare il Papa
Thanks for writing back @lucasar92!! Why do you think that a woman should not be the pope? I think perhaps it can be a good way to show that everybody is equal and that the catholic church also thinks that. But maybe there is a rule that says that women cant be a pope. But if that is the case maybe they want to change it in the future.
And I have another question: do you think that all Christians should be allowed to vote who becomes the pope and not the persons in the Vatican? Like in the same way that they have elections for a president but now for the pope? That was my last question!!! Molto grazie!! 🙂
I'm not from Italy or know much about the pope's position but in the bible it says that the male is the the preaches, and leads. God/Christ->To priest >husband >to wife> over the children.
That is what I have learned from reading and going to church. I'm also not catholic.
Thank you very much @Dreamfern!! I did not read the bible yet but we only get some things for example in history class or our society class. But if it says in the bible i think that they will not change the rules. 🙄🙄
The catholic church (and the Pope probably, too) grade Europe as a lost continent while South America and Africa is growing
So If we Europeans still believe we can reform the church like we think it should be .. good night Europe.
The most countries dont want European moral anymore anyways. Same with catholic church.
What about the LGBT community?
Non potrà mai essere donna perchè è una regola canonica basata su una tradizione sacra, secondo l’insegnamento ufficiale della Chiesa, Gesù scelse solo uomini come apostoli, e la Chiesa continua questa tradizione.
La Chiesa considera il Papa come successore dell'apostolo Pietro che era una guida spirituale più che politico, e quindi pensa che la scelta debba avvenire in modo religioso, non popolare. Per questo il Papa è scelto dal Conclave che è composto da un gruppo di Cardinali.
La tua proposta che tutti i cristiani possano votare il Papa o che tutti i 700 abitanti della nazioni della Città del Vaticano possano votare il Papa non si fa semplicemente perchè la stessa costituzione della Città del Vaticano prevede che i suoi 700 cittadini non possano votare, è los tesso concetto per cui voi nei Paesi Bassi non eleggete il vostro nuovo re. Il Papa è il monarca della sua nazione (Città del Vaticano) così come Willem Alexander è il monarca della sua nazione (Paesi Bassi) 🙂
And I have another question: do you think that all Christians should be allowed to vote who becomes the pope and not the persons in the Vatican? Like in the same way that they have elections for a president but now for the pope? That was my last question!!! Molto grazie!! 🙂
Wow i translated what you wrote with google and i write it here bc it is super clear to understand the rules. I didnt know why it can only be a man and why the Pope is chosen secretly. But what you wrote and also @Dreamfern is very clear!!! And i think if it is a rule of the church and also a sacred tradition what you said, then i think everybody should respect it.
Tre mille grazie @lucasar92!! 😊😊
Lucasar's text in English with Google Translate:
It can never be a woman because it is a canonical rule based on a sacred tradition, according to the official teaching of the Church, Jesus chose only men as apostles, and the Church continues this tradition.
The Church considers the Pope as the successor of the apostle Peter who was a spiritual guide rather than a political one, and therefore thinks that the choice must be made in a religious way, not a popular one. For this reason the Pope is chosen by the Conclave which is composed of a group of Cardinals.
Your proposal that all Christians can vote for the Pope or that all 700 inhabitants of the nation of the Vatican City can vote for the Pope is not done simply because the same constitution of the Vatican City provides that its 700 citizens cannot vote, it is the same concept for which you in the Netherlands do not elect your new king. The Pope is the monarch of his nation (Vatican City) just as Willem Alexander is the monarch of his nation (Netherlands) 🙂
Thanks for writing back @lucasar92!! Why do you think that a woman should not be the pope? I think perhaps it can be a good way to show that everybody is equal and that the catholic church also thinks that. But maybe there is a rule that says that women cant be a pope. But if that is the case maybe they want to change it in the future.
And I have another question: do you think that all Christians should be allowed to vote who becomes the pope and not the persons in the Vatican? Like in the same way that they have elections for a president but now for the pope? That was my last question!!! Molto grazie!! 🙂
You can find the clear answer in apostolic letter of John Paul II on "RESERVING PRIESTLY ORDINATION TO MEN ALONE".
"Venerable Brothers in the Episcopate,
1. Priestly ordination, which hands on the office entrusted by Christ to his Apostles of teaching, sanctifying and governing the faithful, has in the Catholic Church from the beginning always been reserved to men alone. This tradition has also been faithfully maintained by the Oriental Churches.
When the question of the ordination of women arose in the Anglican Communion, Pope Paul VI, out of fidelity to his office of safeguarding the Apostolic Tradition, and also with a view to removing a new obstacle placed in the way of Christian unity, reminded Anglicans of the position of the Catholic Church: "She holds that it is not admissible to ordain women to the priesthood, for very fundamental reasons. These reasons include: the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing his Apostles only from among men; the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men; and her living teaching authority which has consistently held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God's plan for his Church."(1)
But since the question had also become the subject of debate among theologians and in certain Catholic circles, Paul VI directed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to set forth and expound the teaching of the Church on this matter. This was done through the Declaration Inter Insigniores, which the Supreme Pontiff approved and ordered to be published.(2)
2. The Declaration recalls and explains the fundamental reasons for this teaching, reasons expounded by Paul VI, and concludes that the Church "does not consider herself authorized to admit women to priestly ordination."(3) To these fundamental reasons the document adds other theological reasons which illustrate the appropriateness of the divine provision, and it also shows clearly that Christ's way of acting did not proceed from sociological or cultural motives peculiar to his time. As Paul VI later explained: "The real reason is that, in giving the Church her fundamental constitution, her theological anthropology-thereafter always followed by the Church's Tradition- Christ established things in this way."(4)
In the Apostolic Letter Mulieris Dignitatem, I myself wrote in this regard: "In calling only men as his Apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner. In doing so, he exercised the same freedom with which, in all his behavior, he emphasized the dignity and the vocation of women, without conforming to the prevailing customs and to the traditions sanctioned by the legislation of the time."(5)
In fact the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles attest that this call was made in accordance with God's eternal plan; Christ chose those whom he willed (cf. Mk 3:13-14; Jn 6:70), and he did so in union with the Father, "through the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:2), after having spent the night in prayer (cf. Lk 6:12). Therefore, in granting admission to the ministerial priesthood,(6) the Church has always acknowledged as a perennial norm her Lord's way of acting in choosing the twelve men whom he made the foundation of his Church (cf. Rv 21:14). These men did not in fact receive only a function which could thereafter be exercised by any member of the Church; rather they were specifically and intimately associated in the mission of the Incarnate Word himself (cf. Mt 10:1, 7-8; 28:16-20; Mk 3:13-16; 16:14-15). The Apostles did the same when they chose fellow workers(7) who would succeed them in their ministry.(8) Also included in this choice were those who, throughout the time of the Church, would carry on the Apostles' mission of representing Christ the Lord and Redeemer.(9)
3. Furthermore, the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and Mother of the Church, received neither the mission proper to the Apostles nor the ministerial priesthood clearly shows that the non-admission of women to priestly ordination cannot mean that women are of lesser dignity, nor can it be construed as discrimination against them. Rather, it is to be seen as the faithful observance of a plan to be ascribed to the wisdom of the Lord of the universe.
The presence and the role of women in the life and mission of the Church, although not linked to the ministerial priesthood, remain absolutely necessary and irreplaceable. As the Declaration Inter Insigniores points out, "the Church desires that Christian women should become fully aware of the greatness of their mission: today their role is of capital importance both for the renewal and humanization of society and for the rediscovery by believers of the true face of the Church."(10)
The New Testament and the whole history of the Church give ample evidence of the presence in the Church of women, true disciples, witnesses to Christ in the family and in society, as well as in total consecration to the service of God and of the Gospel. "By defending the dignity of women and their vocation, the Church has shown honor and gratitude for those women who-faithful to the Gospel-have shared in every age in the apostolic mission of the whole People of God. They are the holy martyrs, virgins and mothers of families, who bravely bore witness to their faith and passed on the Church's faith and tradition by bringing up their children in the spirit of the Gospel."(11)
Moreover, it is to the holiness of the faithful that the hierarchical structure of the Church is totally ordered. For this reason, the Declaration Inter Insigniores recalls: "the only better gift, which can and must be desired, is love (cf. 1 Cor 12 and 13). The greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven are not the ministers but the saints."(12)
4. Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church's judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.
Invoking an abundance of divine assistance upon you, venerable brothers, and upon all the faithful, I impart my apostolic blessing.
From the Vatican, on May 22, the Solemnity of Pentecost, in the year 1994, the sixteenth of my Pontificate."
Thank you very much @diogenes_cask!!! I really am super thankful that you and @lucasar92 and @Dreamfern took time to explain everything!! I am afraid that maybe this forum gets lost after some time so i made this forum: https://penpal-gate.net/forum/12-everyday-life-and-customs/10888-religions-explained and i added a link for here. So i hope that later people can maybe find it easier!!!!
Can I ask perhaps if you have a favourite Pope in the past and why?
Remember these bible texts are streamlined to convince people to convert to Christians in the first centure after death of Jesus.
And Always keep in mind the context to usual life during these ages.
E.g. what is interesting is, that people believed that iill people were hit by gods and so it was absolutely strange that casual people helped them.
Completely unimaginable nowadays, but with knowing this context people can understand why a figure like Jesus was so unusual and special.
Thank you very much @diogenes_cask!!! I really am super thankful that you and @lucasar92 and @Dreamfern took time to explain everything!! I am afraid that maybe this forum gets lost after some time so i made this forum: https://penpal-gate.net/forum/12-everyday-life-and-customs/10888-religions-explained and i added a link for here. So i hope that later people can maybe find it easier!!!!
Can I ask perhaps if you have a favourite Pope in the past and why?
Io in 33 anni ho visto solo 3 Papi, Giovanni Paolo II, Benedetto XVI e Francesco I
Quando c'era Giovanni Paolo II ero piccolo e non comprendevo ancora certe notizie, Benedetto XVI era molto distaccato, invece Francesco I lo preferivo per il suo stile libero e diretto nel comunicare e per la sua umiltà e semplicità, d'altronde faceva parte dell'ordine religioso fondato da Francesco d'Assisi
Io in 33 anni ho visto solo 3 Papi, Giovanni Paolo II, Benedetto XVI e Francesco I
Quando c'era Giovanni Paolo II ero piccolo e non comprendevo ancora certe notizie, Benedetto XVI era molto distaccato, invece Francesco I lo preferivo per il suo stile libero e diretto nel comunicare e per la sua umiltà e semplicità, d'altronde faceva parte dell'ordine religioso fondato da Francesco d'Assisi
Papa Francesco era un gesuita, ordine fondato da Ignazio di Loyola. Non era un francescano
Remember these bible texts are streamlined to convince people to convert to Christians in the first centure after death of Jesus.
And Always keep in mind the context to usual life during these ages.
E.g. what is interesting is, that people believed that iill people were hit by gods and so it was absolutely strange that casual people helped them.
Completely unimaginable nowadays, but with knowing this context people can understand why a figure like Jesus was so unusual and special.
The Bible was not written to make proselytes. The old testament is a collection of texts from the Jewish people, perhaps the new testament is more focused on the "marketing" of religion: Paul, for example, wrote letters addressed to a community of unconverted Jews.
The Popes had usually kept a low profile with Islam, of course. They just condemned integralism but it's funny, because the Catholics went all over the world killing and forcing people to join the religion.