PPG University > Apatheia and Sage in Stoic Philosophy

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A stoa is a portico or porch. At the Stoa Poikile- (“Painted Stoa”) in the marketplace of ancient Athens, beginning around 300 BCE, a group of men gathered to philosophize about the world, its nature and causes, the divine, language, meaning, and the goal of life. These “members of the Stoa” devised a powerful system that would endure and evolve for centuries. Thus, since its inception, Stoicism was never the intellectual property of any one philosopher—no matter how brilliant—who called himself a Stoic.

Of all ancient philosophies, Stoicism is the most systematic. The Stoics divided philosophical discourse (doctrine) into three parts: logic, physics, and ethics and it was no surprise they were in search of "eudaimonia" using this tripartition. Ancient Greek philosophers agreed that the goal [telos] of all human effort is eudaimonia, an enduring state of happiness, well-being, or flourishing. The Stoics believed that the purpose of philosophy is to achieve this goal by mastering the art of living.

The Stoics define the goal [telos] as “living in agreement with nature.” Moreover, for a being with reason, living in agreement with nature means living in agreement with reason. The perfection of reason is what the Stoics call virtue. Virtue, they insisted, is the only good because it alone is necessary and sufficient for eudaimonia.

The Stoics divided virtue into four main types: wisdom, justice, courage, and temperance. Wisdom is defined as knowledge of what is good, what is bad, and what is neither. Wisdom is the virtue of the sage. The sage recognizes that living in agreement with nature also means living in agreement with the entire cosmos. The sage is a mortal microcosm in harmony with the providential macrocosm, embracing all events and affirming their meaning and necessity. The sage is free of all disturbing passions [pathe- ].

The sage experiences three “good feelings” [eupatheiai]: joy [khara], caution [eulabeia], and rational wish [boulesis]. The Stoics believed that the sage is as rare as the phoenix. Some suggested that Socrates, Zeno of Citium, or Cato the Younger may have been sages. The rest of us they regarded as fools. Within the class of fools, one who makes progress toward virtue is a “progressor” [prokopto-n]. A progressor can perform an “appropriate action” [kathekon], like exercising to be fit or caring for one’s parents. But only the sage performs actions wisely, comprehending their harmony with the universe. The sage performs a “perfect action” [katortho-ma].

In their investigation of “eudaimonia” (happiness, human flourishing) Hellenistic philosophers (i.e., members of the Epicurean, the Stoic, and the Skeptic schools) made frequent use of terms that were relatively new in the philosophical lexicon; among others: ataraxia (freedom from disturbance), hēsychia (serenity), tranquillitas and securitas (Seneca and Cicero’s Latin translation of euthymia), eustatheia (stability), athambia (quietness), adiaphora (indifference), and apatheia (the condition of being unmoved)

What the ancient philosophers had in mind with the term eudaimonia is quite different from the modern view of happiness as “enjoyment” or “delight.” Considered strictly as a philosophical term, eudaimonia indicates the final end, the summum bonnum of human life for, as Aristotle observed, “every kind of knowing and every choice reach toward some good” Thus eudaimonia points toward the ultimate goal, the final reason why people do what they do.

Although ‘apatheia’ in Greek and ‘tranquilitas’ in Latin are the Stoics’ preferred terms to describe the condition of the sage who has attained the end, they are by no means the only ones and, in fact, despite the Stoics’ vocal critique of the School of the Garden, many Epicurean claims about ataraxia could find a natural place in a Stoic discourse.

Apatheia has a rather specific sense and the Stoics take some time to distinguish it from mere indifference: “the wise man is free of passion because he is not disposed to them but the wicked man is ‘free of passion’ in a different sense, in the sense of being insensitive and cold”. The freedom from passion the Stoics seek is therefore not hardheartedness at all. The ‘wicked man’ isn’t moved because he doesn’t care. Having been repeatedly exposed to suffering of all kinds he is now unaffected. His is a case of insensibility, not of Stoic apatheia. By contrast the sage is free from passions because, although she is subject to emotions and sensations, she does not depend on them, she does not let them control her life, which is quite different from being insensitive. One is tranquil when one is capable of coping with emotions, not repressing them.

Apatheia is not about suppressing emotions (this would be an impossible task in the first place given our embodied condition); rather, it is about preventing them from ruling our life, something that happens only when we let them rule us, that is to say when we assent to them. Irrational judgments, hasty flights of imagination, superstition, susceptibility to folk tales and so forth prevent us from seeing reality as it is and confuse what is the case with our misconceptions: “What disturb people are not the things, but their beliefs about the things” (Epicurus, Encheiridion, 10).

No doubt, the Stoic sage is a fully rational being, but there is joy in acting in a rational way. Joy, vigilance and wish, the three good affects (eupatheias) are therefore concomitant with apatheia. They are fully rational affects and in that sense they have an active rather than a passive sense. While the passions enslave us because they enlist our best judgment at the service of their satisfaction, the rational good affects express the satisfaction one experiences at being in control of one’s own acts.

Nature, virtue, and happiness are ultimately unified in the sage. Since to ask about happiness is to ask about the end of life, the stoic must establish that a virtuous life (and it alone) is a complete and fulfilled one.

The Stoic conception of human nature is a dynamic one; it proposes a teleological development and in that respect the satisfaction of our needs may be where the enquiry must begin but it is not where it should end. The sage who has achieved virtue hasn’t stepped outside nature but has completed it. Thus, a life that agrees with nature is ultimately a life that follows virtue. Cicero has a clear formulation of the equation between nature and virtue: “When they say that the final good is to live in agreement with nature, what this means, is, I think, the following, always be in accord with virtue and choose that which is in accord with nature if it is not in disaccord with virtue.”

Still, a further difficulty arises from the fact that the Stoics have two candidates for the title of ultimate end. Must we seek the good or must we seek to be happy? Both, answer the Stoics; yet, in matters of ultimate end, there is no room for plurality. If, however, the ultimate end can only be one, this doesn’t prevent the goal from being multifaceted. Just as philosophy is ultimately one even though it has various branches of investigation, the end we are seeking is one even though it appears as virtue and as happiness. If we search for happiness we discover that virtue is the right candidate and if we attain virtue we experience true happiness.

One can be subjected of desire and hatred; life and death, health and sickness, pleasure and pain, prosperity and poverty, and so on. All of these are not good or bad things in themselves; however for Epictetus we must avoid or at least eliminate them. If a human being saves him or herself from these contradictions, he or she will reach the apatheia, where one can gain peace, happiness and serenity. However, human beings cannot be separated from their desires. What makes our character–and our interests, and our fears–are our passions; people choose things according to what they like; according to what makes them feel good and satisfied. Our dreams are built on our passions, and our delicate and dear purpose in this short life is making our dreams come true. In modern times we do live our lives upon virtue, either in our daily life or in our ideological life in cognitive understanding. Stoics' purpose is to live virtuous life, and this kind of life consists in wanting, thinking, wishing and doing what is good. It can be hard to apply Stoic teachings, but the glamorous and shining side on this issue is that there is such a possibility, and this life deserves a chance for the realization of this possibility.

Thank you very much for your lecture @diogenes_cask!!! It is also SUPER difficult so i have to read it more times and I hope that these questions are not stupid but maybe i did not understand everything fully. I have these questions, but only answer the questions of course if you have time and want it. 😇😇👨‍🎓👨‍🎓


1️⃣ Are you a Stoic person like the people you mention in your lecture?

2️⃣ Can women be a Stoic person and a member too of the members of the Stoa from the beginning of the lecture? And is everybody equal and the same?

3️⃣ Do Stoic people believe in Christian God Christian or maybe Zeus and Greek Gods? Because the Greek had Gods for a LOTT of things so maybe also what Stoic people believe.

4️⃣ Do you think if now EVERYBODY is a Stoic person that A LOTTT of things are super different or not very much?


Thank you very much again @diogenes_cask for the lecture and if you want to answer questions!! And i think maybe other people have better questions too!! 😛 😛 😃

Hi @Yue_ 🙂 Thanks for having your time to read that heavy text. Let me try to answer your questions.


1- I define myself as a rational combination of Stoicism and Epicurianism.

2- Stoicism or in a wider sense, philosophy, has historically been male-dominated, particularly in ancient times. That is quite understandable since being a "woman" was not such a favorable thing in Ancient Greece. But famous stoic Musonius Rufus openly tells that “It is not men alone who possess eagerness and a natural inclination towards virtue, but women also. Women are pleased no less than men by noble and just deeds, and reject the opposite of such actions. Since that is so, why is it appropriate for men to seek out and examine how they might live well, that is, to practise philosophy, but not women?” You may find that many of the women closely tied to the famous stoics acted according to stoic principles such names as Cornelia Africana, Porcia Catonis, Hypatia of Alexandria and so on. Stoicism is a moral philosophy based on virtues which transcend male/female categories and it never excluded women in the doctrine.

3- This question is like poking the hornet's nest. 🙂 The Stoics assert that the universe contains two indestructible, incorporeal principles: the active and the passive. The passive principle is substance without quality, i.e. matter. The active principle is the seminal reason that shapes matter. The Stoics call the active principle God, Zeus, Providence, Fate, Destiny, and Seminal Reason [spermatikos logos]. This principle transformed matter into four elements: air (cold), water (wet), earth (dry), and fire/aether (hot). These elements combine to make objects. God can be thought of as either the artificer, or the orderliness, of the cosmos. The Stoics describe the world and the heavens as God’s substance, so they hold that God is not anthropomorphic, but a living, immortal, rational, perfectly happy being, devoid of evil, that provides and cares for the cosmos and everything in it.

4- Without a doubt, lots of things would have changed since Stoicism promotes "asceticism." All the modern lurks behind the avarice and greediness of mankind.

Thank you very much @diogenes_cask!!! There is a LOTTTT which i have to read several times because i think there are a lot of things which you say even if i read for example one sentence so I will try to understand everything that you wrote!!

I like that women are equal so for the Stoic people it does not matter if you are a man or a woman and BOTH are equal. I want to look at the names you said in answer 2 because i like to read about super strong women from history and who they were. That is very important i think. 🙂

Now I told only @HappyvomSee about this yet but for me it was very important that you told about the natural elements!!! My grandma from China gave me one time a necklace and i dont wear it because i want to keep it private and only for us between my grandma and me. It is a necklace with small hanger and it is a water drop from silver. She says every person is from character a nature element and you have to act like YOUR nature element or you are fighting with nature and that is not good. And she said that it is clear that I am water so she gave me the necklace with the water drop. But i keep it always in my room and only for us as private. I NEVER wear it or show it to my friends or that it can get lost or damaged. But i wanted to tell about it on the forum because you mentioned the elements too in your answer and I liked that a lot!!!! 💧🥰🥰

Hi @diogenes_cask

I just edit your lecture in NEWS Report

Thank you very much for it.
This is such a profound and I guess very authentic essay.

And I also love the questions of @Yue_

Actually I think that it would help a lot if "only" 10 percent of the humans reach
state of apatheia and attract others to walk the way to it.
Thank you for sharing your story with your necklace/grandma/nature.
You already act a lot according to your nature.
That`s why you are so "attractive" on the forum.

And yes, I already had to read this lecture several times to understand more and more.
But that is the way of studying and I love it and want to encourage the PPG members
to take your time with it. Slow food became a global movement to appreciate what you have
on your plate and for better digestion. You can also help your mental and emotional digestion
by reading such lectures real consciously.

由 H_E_A_R_T 编辑.

Hi @diogenes_cask

I just edit your lecture in NEWS Report

Thank you very much for it.
This is such a profound and I guess very authentic essay.

And I also love the questions of @Yue_

Actually I think that it would help a lot if "only" 10 percent of the humans reach
state of apatheia and attract others to walk the way to it.
Thank you for sharing your story with your necklace/grandma/nature.
You already act a lot according to your nature.
That`s why you are so "attractive" on the forum.

And yes, I already had to read this lecture several times to understand more and more.
But that is the way of studying and I love it and want to encourage the PPG members
to take your time with it. Slow food became a global movement to appreciate what you have
on your plate and for better digestion. You can also help your mental and emotional digestion
by reading such lectures real consciously.

Very good point, @H_E_A_R_T. As Ralph Waldo Emerson quoth once: "Adopt the pace of nature: her secret is patience."

I think you are both super good teachers @diogenes_cask and @H_E_A_R_T!!!! 👩‍🎓🧑‍🎓 And everybody in PPG can learn a LOTTTT from what you say always on the forum. A lot of things in this forum and in Healing advent calendar forum it is that i did not even know a few things from it before. So when i read everything it is a lottt to think about everything. But i hope that you both always will write on the forum!!!! And you still have to sing the duet and i didnt forget that of course!!! 😛 😛

Can I ask @diogenes_cask: do you also do meditation or yoga or sports? And can we interview you one time maybe for the forum too? Here is an overview of interviews to give some examples! I hope that you will say yes! 🙂

I think you are both super good teachers @diogenes_cask and @H_E_A_R_T!!!! 👩‍🎓🧑‍🎓 And everybody in PPG can learn a LOTTTT from what you say always on the forum. A lot of things in this forum and in Healing advent calendar forum it is that i did not even know a few things from it before. So when i read everything it is a lottt to think about everything. But i hope that you both always will write on the forum!!!! And you still have to sing the duet and i didnt forget that of course!!! 😛 😛

Can I ask @diogenes_cask: do you also do meditation or yoga or sports? And can we interview you one time maybe for the forum too? Here is an overview of interviews to give some examples! I hope that you will say yes! 🙂

Thanks for your nice words @Yue_ 🙂 Yes, I practice Kyudo which is based on "Shin Zen Bi" discliplines.

I have already read all the interviews and I'm open for giving an interview. 🙂

Thank you very much @diogenes_cask!!! 🙂 That is very kind and i will try to make nice questions and share them with you super soon!!! 🙏🙏

Can I show your lecture to my history teacher? Because he likes a lot of things about Greek culture and history and i think that he maybe also likes it. 😊😊