Has China betrayed socialism? Politics and governments

Reform and opening up, the restoration of capitalism, workers were exploited and oppressed...

Что мы, левые, должны делать?

“中国的一般人,普通要受三种有系统的权力的支配,即:(一)由一党、一国、一省、一市以至一区的国家系统(政权);(二)由七大姑八大姨以至家长的家族系统(族权);(三)由董事长、总经理以至各种领导的公司系统——总称之为资本系统(资权)。至于学生,除受上述三种权力的支配以外,还受学校的支配(学权)。这四种权力——政权、族权、资权、学权,代表了全部资本主义的思想和制度,是束缚中国人民特别是无产者的四条极大的绳索。”

My parents have a high evaluation of the reform and opening up, because as a Shanghainese, Shanghai is the city that has benefited the most from the reform and opening up, and people's living standards have increased rapidly. Therefore, I believe that reform and opening up is a good thing. Although reform and opening up is capitalism, I think that its people's living standards have improved significantly compared to before, and it is a good thing. As for the working class in China, I can only say that the times were different. In the 1950s and 1970s, China needed workers to vigorously build, but after the wave of layoffs in the 1960s, the worship of workers was completely shattered. This is not the period of planned economy, it can be said to be the period of capitalism, but at least communism has not disappeared in China. In areas where communism has disappeared, workers cannot be considered human at all. So I think we should support the CPC and hope that they can do a better job.
我的父母对于改革开放的评价很高,因为作为上海人,上海是改革开放受利最大的城市,人民生活水平增加很快,所以我认为改革开放是一件好事情。虽然改革开放是资本主义,但我认为它人民生活水准比以前提高很多,它就是好事情。至于中国的工人阶级,我只能说时代不同,50~70年代中国需要工人大力建设,但在96年代下岗潮之后,对工人的崇拜就彻底的粉碎了。现在不是计划经济时期,可以说就是资本主义时期,但共产主义至少没有在中国绝迹,在共产主义绝迹的地区,工人完全不可以算是人类。所以我认为还是要给中国共产党支持的,希望他们可以把工作做到更好。

哥们儿,建议不要太中二。我以前也是你这样的,只能说社会阅历太少,世界远比我们想象得复杂。理想主义是好的,如果你十年后还这么想,我佩服你!

我没有经历过计划经济时期
但至少 我认为现在没有比以前差一点

中国-特色-社会主义

建议参考苏联二十大以后,还挺像的

建议参考苏联二十大以后,还挺像的
此时此刻,恰似彼时彼刻

I think in China now the same thing happened in Soviet Russia after the revolution - The New Economic Policy (NEP), when private ownership of the means of production returned to a large extent, free trade developed, the state ceased to be a monopolist.

From January 1926 to January 1927, during the “heyday of NEP,” Deng Xiaoping, the future Chinese leader, was in the USSR. He gets acquainted with the works of N.I. Bukharin and observes with his own eyes the successes of the mixed economy. After Mao's death (1976), he becomes the leader of the CCP. In July 1979, he supported the creation of the Institute of Marxism-Leninism and the Ideas of Mao, which studies the NEP, primarily the works of N. I. Bukharin. Chinese social scientists are studying the works of Bukharin, who advocated a symbiosis of planned and market regulation, and noted the potential of the NEP economy. In 1985, Deng admitted that “the most correct model of socialism was the New Economic Policy in the USSR.” Deng Xiaoping, while supporting Bukharin's ideas, also condemns Stalin's repressions. In the 1980s, China, under the influence of Deng Xiaoping, embarked on the path of economic market reforms, combining individual entrepreneurship and government regulation, which led to the growth of industry and agriculture, and a rise in the standard of living of the population. (с)

I think in China now the same thing happened in Soviet Russia after the revolution - The New Economic Policy (NEP), when private ownership of the means of production returned to a large extent, free trade developed, the state ceased to be a monopolist.

From January 1926 to January 1927, during the “heyday of NEP,” Deng Xiaoping, the future Chinese leader, was in the USSR. He gets acquainted with the works of N.I. Bukharin and observes with his own eyes the successes of the mixed economy. After Mao's death (1976), he becomes the leader of the CCP. In July 1979, he supported the creation of the Institute of Marxism-Leninism and the Ideas of Mao, which studies the NEP, primarily the works of N. I. Bukharin. Chinese social scientists are studying the works of Bukharin, who advocated a symbiosis of planned and market regulation, and noted the potential of the NEP economy. In 1985, Deng admitted that “the most correct model of socialism was the New Economic Policy in the USSR.” Deng Xiaoping, while supporting Bukharin's ideas, also condemns Stalin's repressions. In the 1980s, China, under the influence of Deng Xiaoping, embarked on the path of economic market reforms, combining individual entrepreneurship and government regulation, which led to the growth of industry and agriculture, and a rise in the standard of living of the population. (с)

呃... 不,新经济政策更像是三大改造,是工人们拿枪抵着资本家的脑袋,让其在合理范围内进行一定的市场经济。改革开放不一样,这就纯纯资本主义复辟,举个例子就是:二十世纪末期的工人大下岗,下岗2亿多人。

当然,我不太清楚——也许是你的工人强迫你这么做的
在我国,当局意识到第一次世界大战和内战后,国家无法承受已建立的军事共产主义,并决定对经济进行这样的放松。我记得1928年在一份苏联杂志上——可以从巴黎订购一件时装,但后来斯大林上台,认为这太资产阶级了,并开始限制这种自由风格。这或许就是镇压的根源。

虽然我对政治了解不深,但是我觉得有一句话说得很好:“黑猫白猫,抓到老鼠就是好猫”。我觉得不管是什么主义,人们最在意的是实际的东西,是日常真切能感受到的。只要人们生活水平能持续提高,和平,生活能持续幸福,什么主义有多大关系?自古至今,如果大部分人都不满意当前的生活,就会有变革。如果大部分人都还觉得可以,那就还不是那么差。

春秋周天王治下的老百姓或许也觉得自己过得不错呢😂

那得看什么时候啊 那个时候也不可能用上现代化的电器 大部分人觉得还可以那就是还可以
另一个方面说,如果只有几个人想改变,大部分人不同意或者不感兴趣,你觉得可能会有变革吗?这个基础是怎样形成的?必然是有足够的不满,必定是工作生活各方面足够不如意啊。但是目前没有,那就是利还大于弊,肯定还不是非要怎样才行的时候

资本主义也在不断的批判中发展嘛,但是是无法克服其根本矛盾的,所以说矛盾早晚还是会爆发的

资本主义也在不断的批判中发展嘛,但是是无法克服其根本矛盾的,所以说矛盾早晚还是会爆发的
那还是得等矛盾爆发再说啊,举个不恰当的例子,人生下来就要死的,总不能提前死吧?总要等到老或者病到要不行的阶段,或者有什么严重的意外。

所以说不去斗争改善难道等着吗😂